21 July 2015
- Mary Wong
The next Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 21 July 2015 at 1400 UTC (07:00 PDT, 10:00 EDT, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET).
For other times: http://tinyurl.com/o7l74jf
Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/
Proposed Agenda:
- Roll call/updates to SOI
- Discuss revised Work Plan, including possible F2F meeting at ICANN54 and initiation/timing of proposed Sub Teams (see attached document)
- Discuss proposed approach for new Sub Team on Additional Questions
- Next steps, including extending meetings to 90 minutes starting on 28 July
Documents for Review:
PPSAI - Work Plan v11 - 20 July 2015
Sub Teams List (as of 20 July)
MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-21jul15-en.mp3
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-ppsai-21jul15-en.pdf
Attendees:
Frank Michlick – Individual
Val Sherman – IPC
Kathy Kleiman – NCSG
Darcy Southwell – RrSG
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Alex Deacon –IPC
Stephanie Perrin – NCSG
Phil Corwin – BC
Terri Stumme – BC
Susan Kawaguchi – BC
James Bladel – RrSG
Sarah Wyld – RrSG
Todd Williams – IPC
Paul McGrady – IPC
Vicky Sheckler – IPC
Amr Elsadr-NCUC
James Gannon – NCUC
Holly Raiche – ALAC
Jim Bikoff - IPC
David Heasley - IPC
Kiran Malancharuvil- IPC
Volker Greimann - RrSG
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG
Griffin Barnett- IPC
David Cake - NCSG
Michele Neylon – RrSG
Apologies:
Graeme Bunton – RrSG
Don Blumenthal – RySG
Sara Bockey – RrSG
ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Amy Bivins
Stephen Miller
Nathalie Peregrine
Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 21 July 2015
Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 21 July 2015
Nathalie Peregrine:Susan Kawaguchi is on the audio bridge
Mary Wong:Sorry, I missed a "0" after the 2!
James Bladel:Can folks mute when not speaking? thx?
Nathalie Peregrine:Please all mute your lines and mics!
Nathalie Peregrine:Stephanie Perrin has joined the AC room
Kathy K:I think this timetable is much more realistic..
Nathalie Peregrine:Frank Michlick has joined the call
Holly Raiche:Agree much more realistic
Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr has also joined the AC room
James Bladel:5x5
Mary Wong:Note that 9 Nov (the "due date" listed here for our Final Report) is the last day to submit documents for consideration by the Council at its Nov meeting.
Frank Michlick:Michele Neylon is in a meeting and will most likely not be able to attend.
Amr Elsadr:Suggestions to incorporate could be made by the sub-teams using the review tools. This could be reviewed by the full WG as well.
Nathalie Peregrine:Thanks Frank, noted
Amr Elsadr:Agree with Mary.
Paul:no objection to extending the timeframe, so long as we meet the Nov. deadline
Volker A. Greimann:even if the RAA spec runs out between the time we finalize our report and the time it is implemented, I do not think the world will end
Mary Wong:Staff will obviously incorporate whatever agreed recommendations/language the WG has throughout this review process
Mary Wong:Into a draft Final Report I mean - which like our Initial Report will be reviewed by the full WG.
Amr Elsadr:It is also common practice to have a redline version of the final report showing the changes made to the initial report. This will ultimately be helpful as well.
Mary Wong:@Amr, right
Kathy Kleiman:+1 Jim
Val Sherman:+1
Kiran Malancharuvil:agree with Jim. very difficult to add time to this
Kathy Kleiman:I think the longer timeframe removes the immediate need for extended call
Amr Elsadr:@Volker: +1. No reason to set a hard deadline in November IF we need more time to get the work done right, and attempt to achieve as much consensus as possible.
Volker A. Greimann:I can add 30 minutes after each call, adding another day will be more difficult
Nathalie Peregrine:James Gannon has joined the AC room
James Gannon:Sorry travelling and overlap with the WP2 CCWG call is conspiring against me
James Gannon:I'd support that flexability in starting later to accomodate fliughts
Paul:Support Friday meeting. Support keeping our calls to 1 hour.
James Bladel:This will also likely conflict with ICG/CCWG, both are tentatively planning sessions on Friday.
Holly Raiche:Tom was really helpful in that meeting
Kathy Kleiman:Sorry, but I wonder if we will still need this full day meeting so late in our work?
Volker A. Greimann:we should try to move away from burdening ICANN with travel support for WG efforts. The budget is strained over capacity as it is
Frank Michlick:@Volker: There's lots of auction funds ;-)
James Bladel:Volker - I believe these sorts of F2F meetings (incl. travel support) are already budgeted. So its mainly a question of which WG is allocated the slot
Nathalie Peregrine:Lindsay Hamilton-Reid has joined the AC room
Amr Elsadr:If I'm not mistaken, GNSO councillors who are members of this WG will not be able to attend a F2F meeting on Friday. Not that this should necessarily be a deciding factor. Just something to be considered.
Holly Raiche:AAt least someone like Tom would be really helpful
Kathy Kleiman:@Amr, yikes - we have a lot of GNSO councilors in this group
Mary Wong:@Amr, why is that?
James Bladel:Not sure about Council.
Mary Wong:The GNSO Council development session is after the ICANN meeting (23 Oct) and this F2F (if it takes place) will be on 16 Oct
Kiran Malancharuvil:agree with Paul
Philip Corwin:I believe Council may be planning to hold some type of extra meeting on the Friday after ICANN ends, not prior.
Amr Elsadr:@Mary: Ah..., thanks for setting me straight on that. I thought it was on the same day.
Volker A. Greimann:@Frank: No one touches the auction funds until the board says so; @all: indeed, the GNSO councillors will not be able to attend if the session is scheduled to conflict with the council development session
Amr Elsadr:@Phil: Yes..., that is correct. My bad. Apologies.
Philip Corwin:Mary just confirmed my impression on Council
Kathy Kleiman:Agree Paul and James
James Gannon:Bad echo
Nathalie Peregrine:please all mute mics!
Amr Elsadr:Hearing an echo. Can everyone please mute lines when not speaking.
Nathalie Peregrine:The echo is being caused by an AC microphone
Amr Elsadr:Gone now. Thnx.
Mary Wong:Wasn't me :)
Kiran Malancharuvil:I still hear an echo
Nathalie Peregrine:Griffin Barnett has joined the audio bridge
James Gannon:It can bbe suggested as needed if we encounter a roadlock
Nathalie Peregrine:David Cake has joined the AC room
Amr Elsadr:Certainly prefer 90 minute calls vs. additional ones.
Mary Wong:Note that this list is in order of who volunteered when (in case you're wondering).
Kiran Malancharuvil:if we add time to the call can we revisit the start time? a lot of us have standing conflicts.
Amr Elsadr:@Kiran: That's fine by me.
vicky sheckler:mary - please add me to annex e
Mary Wong:OK thanks Vicky
Frank Michlick:I was originally intending to arrive on Sunday for the ICANN meeting .
Kiran Malancharuvil:maybe we can do a poll?
Amr Elsadr:I would actually prefer starting 30 minutes earlier than extending for 30 minutes.
James Gannon:+1 Kiran can we doodle the call times to try and work out some good times
Frank Michlick:I can help in a subteam too.
Mary Wong:Thanks, Frank - any preference?
Kiran Malancharuvil:@Amr - that's not my preference, but again, maybe a poll
Frank Michlick:@Mary: Give me a moment, I'll take a closer look again, one moment.
Nathalie Peregrine:Michele Neylon has joined the call
Stephanie Perrin:Can we also please ensure that we vary the times so that we accommodate our colleagues in Asia &Australia
Holly Raiche:So add due process to Annex E?
Michele Neylon:sorry - was stuck in a meeting
Mary Wong:@Holly, @Kathy - our thought was that as additional topics are identified and agreed on by the WG, the decision can then be made as to whether particular additional topics should be asigned to specific sub team(s) or more appropriately reviewed by the entire WG
Holly Raiche:Thanks Mary
Philip Corwin:@Holly--I'd think the issue of due process is inherenet in Annex E
Mary Wong:Remember also that the WG has to review the sub teams' suggestions; so if anything is "left out" that is another channel to ensure we do not miss them.
Holly Raiche:Agree Philip - but maybe make that an official term of reference for the subteam?
Mary Wong:@Holly, all, if it helps - that point does come through in a lot of the comments, including those that responded directly to specific recommendations/open questions.
James Bladel:+1 James.. Consensus needs to be focus, or this entire effort is in jeopardy.
Philip Corwin:Fine with me, Holly
James Gannon:=)
Mary Wong:Again, the sub teams only do the preliminary work of review and make suggestions to the full WG. The WG still has the responsibility of making sure their response/action is fully discussed and agreed on; the sub teams do not mean the rest of the WG relies on them entirely.
Paul McGrady:Yes, speedy list would be the goal.
Mary Wong:Each sub team also uses the same template/matrix ie the Public Comment Review Tool.
Amr Elsadr:Some topics have already been identified and shared on-list. Couldn't the full group just agree to add those and (perhaps a sub-team) attempt to identify others.
Mary Wong:@Amr - each topic needs to cite back to specific comments/commenters for transparency reasons. That's one reason why an Additional Topics sub team could do that work.
James Bladel:+1 Phil. Or pressure councilors to kill it in the GNSO.
Stephanie Perrin:+1 Phil
Holly Raiche:+1 - Phil
Michele Neylon:Amr - how are you doing green text??
James Gannon:Having heard Phill, Paul and PMary I think that we can look at the 'other' questions in a subgroup that we bring back to the WG, I would like to have enough time to address what comes out of that subteam
Amr Elsadr:@Michele: The AC room is aware of my affinity to $$$!! :)
James Gannon:Pink is much more fashionable
Stephanie Perrin:@Michele, he bought a .irish domain..
Mary Wong:I didn't suggest new sub teams other than these three and the Additional Topics one, BTW
Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Actually..., just use the menu on the top right of the chat box. There's a chat color option.
Michele Neylon:ooo
Michele Neylon:shiny
Amr Elsadr:Boys and their toys!! :)
James Gannon:Ill voluenteer
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Agreed Mary.
Mary Wong:Although if that is appropriate following the identification of and agreement on what those additional topics might be, that may be one way rather than leave them to the full WG.
Mary Wong:@James G - for identifying Additional Topisc?
James Gannon:Correct
Stephanie Perrin:Lets call it a subteam
Stephanie Perrin:I volunteer
Amr Elsadr:@Mary: Please add me to the new sub-team as well.
Amr Elsadr:For identifying new topics.
Mary Wong:I will send you all a blank template to fill out
Amr Elsadr:A spin-off team.
Frank Michlick:I'd like to be on the new topic subteam as well for now
James Gannon:Agreed
Michele Neylon:+1 James
Michele Neylon:a lot of people are on holiday at the moment
Kathy Kleiman:@Mary: Could you kindly expand the PPSAI WG Subteam list with a verbal description of what they are covering?
Michele Neylon:they might be doing email but can't do phone
Kathy Kleiman:@Mary: would appreciate it!
Mary Wong:I will circulate the sub team list, add what they are expected to do, and include what I noted to Sub Team 1.3.2 last night regarding possiblity of staff support, tools etc.
Mary Wong:@James - yes, that's a discussion we are already having :)
James Gannon:Good =)
Mary Wong:It helps that Marika was supporting the CWG-IANA :)
James Gannon:Yes shes a superstar!
James Gannon:And you aswell of course! The superstarteam!
Mary Wong:LOL - I was neither fishing nor insulted! :)
Mary Wong:But we DO work very closely together!
James Bladel:Thx folks.
Kathy Kleiman:Tx Steve and All!
James Gannon:A PPSAI call finisheing early??? Wow =)
Paul McGrady:Thanks Steve!
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Thanks
Michele Neylon:ciao
Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.
Val Sherman:thanks all!