17 March 2015
- Mary Wong
The next Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 17 March 2015 at 1500 UTC. Please remember that the US have gone into Daylight Saving Time, we will only adjust UTC times when other countries have done the same, at the end of the month. In the meantime, we check the link below to make sure you have the correct meeting time.
08:00 PDT, 11:00 EDT, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET
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Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/
Agenda:
- Roll call/updates to SOI
- Continue discussion of Draft Disclosure Framework for Category F
- Next steps/next meeting
Documents for Review:
Draft Disclosure Text - v6.1 - 17 March
MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-17mar15-en.mp3
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-ppsa-17mar15-en.pdf
Attendees:
Frank Michlick – Individual
Justin Macy - BC
Val Sherman – IPC
Griffin Barnett – IPC
Kathy Kleiman – NCSG
Darcy Southwell – RrSG
Todd Williams – IPC
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Graeme Bunton – RrSG
Jim Bikoff - IPC
Holly Raiche – ALAC
Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC
Volker Greimann – RrSG
Alex Deacon –IPC
Sarah Wyld – RrSG
Stephanie Perrin – NCSG
James Bladel – RrSG
Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG
Susan Kawaguchi - BC
Terri Stumme – BC
Phil Corwin – BC
Luc Seufer – RrSG
Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP
David Hughes – IPC
Chris Pelling – RrSG
Paul McGrady – IPC
Susan Prosser – RrSG
David Cake - NCSG
Apologies:
Don Blumenthal – RySG
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG
Richard Leaning – no soi
Michele Neylon- RrSG
ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Marika Konings
Danielle Andela
Ariel Liang
Terri Agnew
Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 17 March 2015
Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 17 March 2015
Kathy K:Hi All!
Val Sherman:Jim Bikoff also on audio bridge
Terri Agnew:I have added Jim to attendance list
Terri Agnew:Susan Kawaguchi is on audio
Mary Wong:Suggest we stay consistent with using "Disclosure" (in this instance) rather than Reveal?
Terri Agnew:Frank Michlick has joined
Terri Agnew:Stephanie Perrin has joined
Terri Agnew:David Hughes has joined audio
Terri Agnew:David Cake has joined
Graeme Bunton:You can tell James has been logging in to CCWG/ICG calls to often, as he has the GNSO tag on his name
Kiran Malancharuvil:Someone get James some coffee!
Holly Raiche:We were picking what was seen as a hard case
James Bladel-GNSO:Thanks, Steve. Sorry for the side-track.
Mary Wong:In the Initial Report, we will make it clear that this fairly detailed framework applies to IP requestors, but is an illustrative example of a disclosure framework that can be a model for other categories of requestors. Do note that the WG has yet to discuss whether and how this may apply to, e.g. LEA and other requestors.
Mary Wong:It may be that we don't have sufficient depth of expertise or time to be as detailed with these other categories, in which case we may want to consider calling out this point for public comment.
Graeme Bunton:thank you James
Bladel - Happy Now, Graeme?::0
Bladel - Happy Now, Graeme?:;)
Terri Agnew:Luc Seufer has joined
Holly Raiche:It's even earlier in Sydney
Kiran Malancharuvil:You win Holly!
Kiran Malancharuvil::)
Volker Greimann:nothing much happens in August in Paris
Kathy K:Sorry "Note" is not intended for final text...
Kiran Malancharuvil:More happens in August in Paris than in Spain! (But for the record, everyone stays pretty well connected)
Volker Greimann:true, kiran
Stephanie Perrin:I think the Nordics take the longest holidays..
Val Sherman:Things happen all over the world at various times of year
Val Sherman:these are not reasons to refuse disclosure in my opinion
Kiran Malancharuvil:Good point Val and Steve.
Kathy K:+1 James
Paul McGrady:My call was cut off in the parking garage just as Kathy was getting started. Sorry if I end up asking question about items already covered.
Kathy K:the Providers has not found adequate reasons for disclosure...
Val Sherman:sorry!
Val Sherman:old
Kathy K:Provider singular...
Luc Seufer:even for those slam dunk cases, you need an arbitrator to render a ruling
Luc Seufer:registrars and other prospective PP aren't as knwoledgeable as arbitrators from NAF
Mary Wong:Agree with Kiran re "slam dunk" - culturally difficult.
Stephanie Perrin:How about "irrefutable"?
Holly Raiche:Maybe replace slam duck with something like compelling
Graeme Bunton:Slam Duck is a hilarious typo.
Luc Seufer:that's the down under version
Susan Kawaguchi:I have to drop off for another call. Agree with removing slam dunk, also not comfortable with anything after including but not limited to.
Val Sherman:I like compelling
Stephanie Perrin:Slam dunk implies that there is really no credible alternative, whereas compelling is not....there could be two compelling arguments, hence the need for complex case review,,,,
Holly Raiche:Sorry re he spelling - but I'm glad Graeme likes it.
Bladel - Happy Now, Graeme?:It's March, Slam Dunk works for me. :P
Philip Corwin:Must depart for another call. regrets
Terri Agnew:goodbye philip
Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with Steve that a Battered Woman's Shelter that has infringing content on its website is not excused from infringing.
Kiran Malancharuvil:Although it is clear that those types of cases are very dangerous and we should not reveal locations willy nilly, I think we're trying to put good standards in place to protect all.
Stephanie Perrin:I think we are conflating risk and reasonable grounds here, agree that if a requestor submits a slam-dunk case regarding a woman's shelter, the issue of the risk of revelation must be treated separately.
Stephanie Perrin:A process diagram might be helpful here.
Graeme Bunton:that's a good point Stephanie
Kathy K:Lots to discuss in appeals
Luc Seufer:Agreed Stephanie, we had a case where someone was asking us to suspend a website because it was hosting illegal material (phishing) and it appeared that it was the complainant who hacked the website of our customer to place the illegal content to have it suspended.
Stephanie Perrin:@Luc yes and I am assured by the folks who defend free speech that this is a constant problem....in fact, when we were setting up the recommendations for anonymous domain registration in the EWG, I agreed to enhanced security mechanisms because those who need anonymous registration also need enhanced security to defend against constant attempts to tar them with malware etc,
Mary Wong:Is it possible to combine I.C and the new III.G into a single paragraph somewhere?
Kathy K:It certainly bears repeating here...perhaps as a note?
Luc Seufer:I would keep both to make it crystal clear
Holly Raiche:It's the jurisdiction in which the lawyeer practices
David Cake:Nationality of the lawyer perhaps not, but fair use vs fair dealing jurisdiction might be significant in some circumstances
Mary Wong:@Holly, @David - yes, I'm from Singapore but was employed by a law firm n its New York and then Brussels and London offices.
Mary Wong:So may be preferable to specify jurisdiction rather than nationality?
Kiran Malancharuvil:Much prefer jurisdiction to nationality
Kiran Malancharuvil:Yes Steve, and while we recognize the vulnerability issues, that should be accounted for within the text and equally applied to all
Val Sherman:+1 Steve -- need to add use examples if we go this route
Mary Wong:FWIW there are ICANN staff members who have worked on privacy, data protection issues
Kathy K:Tx Steve, Tx All!
Val Sherman:Can we briefly address F2F meeting dates?
Graeme Bunton:That was a lot of heavy lifting from Kathy, Steve and others, thank you.
Frank Michlick:Thank you
Holly Raiche:Thanks all
Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks to all drafters. So much work and much appreciated.
Mary Wong:@Val, we're checking dates and chairs will likely decide in the next couple of days
David Cake:Thanks
Val Sherman:Thanks Mary!
Val Sherman:thanks all!