23 September 2014
- Mary Wong
The next Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 23 September 2014 at 1400 UTC 07:00 PDT, 10:00 EDT, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET
For other times: http://tinyurl.com/qffycg5
Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/
Agenda:
- Roll Call/Updates to SOI
- Update on WG F2F facilitated session in Los Angeles
- Continue deliberations on Category F
- Next steps
Documents for Review:
Draft Prelim Conclusions for Cat F - 22 Sept 2014
Subgrouping of Cat F Questions per WG Definitions - 1 Sept 2014
MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140923-en.mp3
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-ppsa-23sep14-en.pdf
Attendees:
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Graeme Bunton – RrSG
Griffin Barnett – IPC
Frank Michlick – Individual
Don Blumenthal – RySG
David Heasley-IPC
Jim Bikoff-IPC
Chris Pelling – RrSG
Kathy Kleiman – NCSG
Darcy Southwell – RrSG
Phil Marano – IPC
Sarah Wyld – RrSG
Victoria Scheckler - IPC
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG
James Bladel – RrSG
Val Sherman – IPC
Luc Seufer – RrSG
Alex Deacon – IPC
Carlton Samuels – At-Large
Todd Williams – IPC
Michael Palage - RySG
Christian Dawson – ISPCP
Keith Kupferschmid-IPC
Libby Baney-BC
Amr Elsadr-NCUC
David Cake-NCSG
Kiran Malancharuvil-IPC
Osvaldo Novoa-ISPCP
Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG
Sean McInerney – no SOI
Apologies:
Kristina Rosette – IPC
Susan Prosser – RrSG
Michele Neylon – RrSG
Phil Corwin-BC
ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Marika Konings
Amy Bivins
Danielle Andela
Nathalie Peregrine
Terri Agnew
Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 23 September 2014:
Mary Wong:Welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting of 23 September 2014!
Chris Pelling:good afternoon all
Carlton Samuels:Morning all
Libby Baney:Happy fall all
Graeme Bunton:Morning everyone.
Bladel:GM everyone.
Graeme Bunton:http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full
Frank Michlick:Good * everyone - whatever is appropiate in your timezone
Graeme Bunton:Yep
Val Sherman:Morning all
Vicky Sheckler:hi
Nathalie Peregrine:Marika Konings, Danielle Andela and Vicky Schlecker also noted for attendance
Bladel:Having trouble hearing Don.?
Terri Agnew:David Cake has joined
Danielle Andela:Thanks Nathalie
Bladel:Is it just me?
Griffin Barnett:i could hear don alright
Amr Elsadr:I can hear him fine too.
Bladel:ok. just me, apparently. :)
Luc Seufer:Hearing him fine, but I am young :-p
Terri Agnew:Christain Dawson has joined
Christian Dawson:Hi all
Chris Pelling:I can hear him fine too
Terri Agnew:Kiran Malancharuvil has joined
Kiran Malancharuvil:Apologies for being late.
Terri Agnew:Osvaldo Novoa and Todd Williams has joined
Don Blumenthal:Welcome back, Kiran
Don Blumenthal:hoping I haven't you before.
Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks Don.
Keith Kupferschmid:I can no longer hear Don. the connection got very bad.
Griffin Barnett:same
Darcy Southwell:I'm having a great deal of trouble hearing Don
steve metalitz:Don there is a lot of static on your line
Graeme Bunton:(ok, now you are a bit quiet again Don)
Amr Elsadr:Don, now it's really hard to hear what you're saying.
Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:Don, did you move away from your mic?
Chris Pelling:issues with Don's voice here in the uk
Chris Pelling:aha
Bladel:*vindicated*!
Chris Pelling:don no
Chris Pelling:perfect
Nathalie Peregrine:Don, would you like us to dial out to you?
Chris Pelling:are you holding the mic ?
Graeme Bunton:Thanks Steve, no issues here
Chris Pelling:LEA is the police
Darcy Southwell:Agree with the 3 definitions, including James' suggestion about an add to the definition of disclosure.
Vicky Sheckler:steve - havent had a chance to read them yet - will do so and provide comments as appropriate
Mary Wong:Document is unsync'ed so you should be able to scroll thru.
Terri Agnew:Don has joined audio
Don Blumenthal:I'm baaack
Kathy:Welcome back!
Kathy:When and how the customer will be contacted will also be included in the TOS
Kathy:(suggestion)
Chris Pelling:Kathy generally by email, if the email bounces and you are on the 2013 RAA that would constitute a suspension (if the bounce is a hard bounce)
Chris Pelling:ah Sorry Kathy, thought that was a quiestion, ill go back under my stone
Kathy:@Chris: all data helpful, tx you!
Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined
Kiran Malancharuvil:apologies if this was discussed while i was out, but what is a "hard bounce"?
Chris Pelling:Permanent failure where it will not retry
Kiran Malancharuvil:thanks
Kathy:@Don, Steve, Mary: I don't think this is a question we can answer right now.
Kathy:I think most people will have to go back and review the RAA... I do!
David Cake:Contrast with a soft bounce, where the email server says that it hasn't delivered, but will keep trying for a while.
Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks David. Assumed that was correct, but I have learned to always ask. :)
Chris Pelling:Thank you Don
Chris Pelling:its really not a simple cut and dry count I am sorry to say
Chris Pelling:ok, from what we have seen, the PP service provider has been removed
Terri Agnew:Sean McInerney has joined audio
Bladel:Publication, not reveal.
Amr Elsadr:Does reveal = publication or disclosure?
Marika Konings:in the UDRP context, it is publication
Amr Elsadr:Thanks.
Marika Konings:(sorry, may have mixed up some of the definitions we agreed to)
Amr Elsadr:We're all doing that. :)
Graeme Bunton:Sorry,yes, publish
Darcy Southwell:We also Publish in the event of a UDRP.
Chris Pelling:ah - ok, I answered Kathy wrong in the emails, the PP service is disabled after UDRP service provider has been informed
Griffin Barnett:+1 Todd
Mary Wong:Marka is referring the the GNSO Council resolution to have an Issue Report prepared on reviewing the UDRP and all other Rights Protection Mechanisms 18 months after the delegation of the first new gTLD.
Kathy:From a liability view, I can see why there is Publication, but from a fairness point of view, it seems unfair
Graeme Bunton:no disagreement Kathy
Kathy:Mere filing of a UDRP should lead to a reveal, perhaps, but I worry about global publication withiout even a finding of bad faith
Bladel:I agree. Especially considering that this could be abused.
Graeme Bunton:For the low cost of filing a UDRP, you can use it to reveal
Kathy:right
Bladel:And then cancel the UDRP
Kathy:So what is within our scope to work on here.
Chris Pelling:Kathy, it all depends if the PP provider or registrar is listed
Bladel:Maybe a special "Reveal" to only the panelist, until the window to cancel the UDRP is closed?
Marika Konings:If I recall well, UDRP Providers do carry out an admin check at the start of the process to make sure they are not dealing with a bogus complaint.
Libby Baney:+1 Steve re interim standards
Kathy:It seems the P/P should disclose the customer to the UDRP filer and the UDRP Forum and leave it at that
Luc Seufer:Depending on the implementation of the Lock UDRP WG report, registrants won't even be notified of the proceedings let alone of the suspension of the P/P service.
Marika Konings:If I recall well, the problem is that the UDRP Provider currently does not have the possibility to verify that someone is who they say they are, apart from taking that information from the publicly available Whois.
Mary Wong:Scopewise, this WG could note potential impact b/c of UDRP actions but can't rec changes to UDRP Rules or practice - it could rec that these be looked at in the proper forum/process, of course.
Chris Pelling:Marika, we answer the udrp provider
Chris Pelling:and once the new updated complaint is received we then pass that onto the registrant
Luc Seufer:I am not very knowlmedgeable in the UDRP providers supplemental rules but I think they all include an anti-abuse provision.
Marika Konings:right, but what if I go back and say, I'm listed as the registrant, but it should really be Mary. How can the UDRP Provider verify that is indeed the case (although I guess this could possibly be addressed in the context of accredited P/P providers)
steve metalitz:Can staff put the questions up on screen?
Amr Elsadr:Is there an anti-abuse provision in the UDRP? I wasn't aware of one.
steve metalitz:I mean the questions posed to providers after our last call
Mary Wong:Oh sorry Steve
Mary Wong:@Steve, they're on the pod on the right
steve metalitz:Thanks Mary.
steve metalitz:We are also lacking responses to queston 3.
Mary Wong:Staff will compile the various email responses received and send those out (and update as necessary)
Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with Steve that we lack answers to questions 3, 4 and 5
Kiran Malancharuvil:Which would be very helpful, thanks!
Griffin Barnett:+1
Mary Wong:You're very welcome, Steve and all :)
Kathy:Yes!
steve metalitz:We all have challenges to face.....
Griffin Barnett:thanks all
Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks
Bladel:Thnanks
Luc Seufer:Merci
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Thanks
Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Bye.
Chris Pelling:thanks all