9 September 2014
- Mary Wong
- Aleksey Khapchenko
The next Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 09 September 2014 at 1400 UTC 07:00 PDT, 10:00 EDT, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET
For other times: http://tinyurl.com/kojn2zw
Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/
Agenda:
- Roll Call/Updates to SOI
- Proposed P/P Service Provider Accreditation Framework: Implementation Considerations (presentation by Amy Bivins & Mike Zupke, followed by Q&A)
- Continue deliberations on Charter Category F questions
- Next steps
Documents for Review:
Common Provider T&Cs on Publication & Disclosure - 5 Sept 2014
PP Accreditation Framework Implementation Questions Presentation 9 Sept 2014
MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140909-en.mp3
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-ppsa-09sep14-en.pdf
Attendees:
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Graeme Bunton – RrSG
Griffin Barnett – IPC
Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG
Frank Michlick – Individual
Volker Greimann-RrSG
Don Blumenthal – RySG
David Heasley-IPC
Jim Bikoff-IPC
Chris Pelling – RrSG
Tobias Sattler – RrSG
Kathy Kleiman – NCSG
Justin Macy - BC
Susan Kawaguchi – BC
Kristina Rosette – IPC
Darcy Southwell – RrSG
Amr Elsadr – NCUC
Paul McGrady – IPC
Libby Baney – BC
Phil Marano – IPC
Holly Raiche – ALAC
Sarah Wyld – RrSG
Christian Dawson – ISPCP
Victoria Scheckler - IPC
Michele Neylon – RrSG
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG
James Bladel – RrSG
Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP
Val Sherman – IPC
David Heasley – IPC
Kathy Kleiman – NCSG
Luc Seufer – RrSG
Keith Kupferschmid – IPC
David Hughes – IPC
Phil Corwin - BC
Apologies: none
ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Marika Konings
Mike Zupke
Amy Bivins
Daniela Andela
Maryam Bakoshi
Nathalie Peregrine
Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 09 September 2014:
Maryam Bakoshi:Dear All, welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting on Tuesday, 9th September 2014
Tobias Sattler:Hi there
Chris Pelling:ello Tobias :)
Chris Pelling:Hey James and Mike :)
Graeme Bunton:Someone is a little huffy puffy on the line
Bladel:SOunds like the ocean. :)
Mary Wong:Sorry, it may be us in the DC office .... we're in a conference room with blasting AC
Val Sherman:Hello All! David Heasley also on the call
Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr has joined the call, and David has been notedf for attendancem, thanks Val
Nathalie Peregrine:Lindsay Hamilton-Reid has joined the AC room
Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady is also on the call
Nathalie Peregrine:David Hughes is on the audio bridge
Nathalie Peregrine:Kristina Rosette has joined the call
Bladel:Are we taking a queue on this?
Mary Wong:@James, yes
Graeme Bunton:Can do
Don Blumenthal:I was about to jump in
Bladel:Ok, I'll raise my hand.
Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa is also on the call
Chris Pelling:can this doc that ICANN has provided for discussion be sent out to us ?
Chris Pelling:might be a useful read over a few times
Mary Wong:@Chris, I thought Mike meant these slides?
Chris Pelling:Hey Mary, yes, I can flick through them, but, cant download them
Kathy:I don't understand the "technical limitation" ... could you rephrase please?
Mary Wong:@Chris, apologies - I think I sent them around this a.m. and they're on the wiki page too; hang on for the link.
Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the AC room
Mary Wong:https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/fALQBg
Chris Pelling:Cheers Mary
Don Blumenthal:The slides did go out this morning
Don Blumenthal:Unaffiliated p/p services exist alrady.
Graeme Bunton:Besides lawfirms?
Don Blumenthal:Yes. I'll find and post later.
Kathy:Helpful answers, Mike, tx you
Kristina Rosette:Numerous unaffiliated providers already exist.
vicky sheckler:unfortunately need to drop off
Mary Wong:Thanks, Vicky
Don Blumenthal:Susan K?
Kathy:It's our fault (Whois Review Team) - and we talked about Best Practices too (for p/p)
Kathy:Escrow can be done privately - with access to the keys by ICANN in the case of emergency/breach/failure
Susan Kawaguchi:I agree with James
Don Blumenthal:Thanks. I wanted ot make sure which Susan James meant. We have nore than one in the WG.
steve metalitz:RAA 2013 already requires escrow of customer data on proxy registrations made by registrar or affiliates in connection with the registration. 3.4.1.5 and 3.6 .
Kathy:@steve: true, but I wonder why Mike Z had questions about disclosure of u nderlying data in the advent of a p/p provider failure
Kathy:?
Libby Baney:@Steve +1 re need for articulated standard
Kathy:to summarize: choices for p/p terms of service may include both publication and/or takedown (and the customer may have a say in that)
Mary Wong:@Steve, @Kathy, from our review of the sampled providers who responded, very few distinguish specifically between publication and disclosure in terms of which ground will lead to which.
steve metalitz:@Kathy: (1) Agree that service provider failure is a separate question (2) re alternative remedies for termination (other than publication), do any providers currently provide them?
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:If terminated, surely publication is unavoidable?
Graeme Bunton:thanks James
Mary Wong:@Lindsay, that seems to be the case, if one simply reviews the T&Cs we received. At least one provider makes that explicit ie tells the customer outright in its T&Cs that this is the case.
Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Not sure why you feel a choice between publication/disclosure and takedown is messy. A registrant could be given the choice, right? That would mean the decision is not the service provider's. Have I misunderstood what you were saying?
Kathy:@Steve and All, let's go back to old notes on this topic -- and summaries of agreement
Kathy:I was just typing what James is saying: disclosure first then publication...
Mary Wong:@Kathy, did you mean sub-question (d) (on screen now)?
Mary Wong:Oops, I meant (c) not (d)
Kathy:@Mary, yes!
Amr Elsadr:@James: +1. Especially with making the distinction between the context of the situation (misdemeanor vs. fellony).
steve metalitz:I think James was using "felony" and "misdemeanor" metaphorically and not literally.
Michele Neylon:@Amr if you paid for services using a stolen credit card you don't have any rights
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Thanks Mary.
Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Thanks. Understood. Yes..., of course, which is why the context makes a difference.
Kathy:Interesting call today!
Bladel:SOrry, I have a hard stop at the top fo the hour. THanks everyone.
Kathy:Many good issues touched on
Kathy:Tx Don and all!
Mary Wong:Please let us know if you have any other questions for Amy and Mike.
Graeme Bunton:thanks all
Luc Seufer:merci
Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.