11 February 2014
- Mary Wong
The next Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 11th February 2014 at 1500 UTC (07:00 PST, 10:00 EST, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET).
Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/
Agenda:
- Roll Call/SOI
- Updates Confirm grouping of Charter questions & initial Work Plan
- Discuss format, objectives and desired outcomes of Singapore F2F meeting?
- Confirm next steps / next meeting
Documents for Review:
Grouping of Charter Questions - 7 February
Draft Work Plan - 7 February 2014
MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140211-en.mp3
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-ppsa-28jan14-en.pdf
Attendees:
Don Blumenthal - RySG
Luc Seufer - RrSG
Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC
Volker Greimann - RrSG
Griffin Barnett – IPC
Justin Macy – CBUC
Jim Bikoff – IPC
Maria Farrell – NCUC
Graeme Bunton – RrSG
Tim Ruiz – RrSG
Roy Balleste – NCUC
David Heasley - IPC
James Bladel - RrSG
Susan Prosser – RrSG
Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC
Sarah Wyld – no SOI as of yet
Todd Williams – IPC
Valeriya Sherman – IPC
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Phil Marano – IPC
Amr Elsadr - NCUC
Holly Raiche – ALAC
Gema Campillos – GAC
Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP
Tobias Sattler – RrSG
Kristina Rosette - IPC
Bill Watenpaugh - RrSG
Michele Neylon - RrSG
Elizabeth Baney
Justin Macey - BC
Keith Kupferschmid - IPC
Darcy Southwell - RrSG
Stephanie Perrin - NCUC
Paul McGrady - IPC
Apologies:
Katherine McGowan
Kathy Kleiman – RySGgr
Carlton Samuels - ALAC
Alex Deacon - IPC
Ben Anderson - RrSG
ICANN staff:
Marika Konings
Mary Wong
Gisella Gruber
Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 11 February 2014:
Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 11 February 2014
Tobias Sattler:Hi there
Volker Greimann:Good Afternoon, or freezing morning, depending on where you are
M:Hi guys
Gisella Gruber-White:M - please identify yourself
M:gah, sorry gisella, it's me, maria. the form sometimes autocompletes me!
M:I'll log back in as my full name!
Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:Good morning
Bladel:Good Chilly Morning.
Maria Farrell:Back now, hi again, everyone
Graeme Bunton:Maria - are you unable to ask questions on the call again?
Maria Farrell:hi there, no, I should be able to dial in today also.
Michele Neylon:I will be dropping off in a few minutes
Michele Neylon:expecting a call on my desk phone
Maria Farrell:i mean, no, i'm not unable. I'm just not always at an office location I can be on a call in. I think others have this issue, too. e.g. some open planoffices.
Maria Farrell:but today is ok
Michele Neylon:oooo
Michele Neylon:Gisella
Michele Neylon:haven't heard that voice in a while
Graeme Bunton:ok, good.
Graeme Bunton:Please mute your mic if you're not talking
Gisella Gruber-White:Marie-Laure Lemineur has joined the AC room
Marie-laure Lemineur:Apologies for being late
Val Sherman:David Heasley is on the line as well
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Val - thank you, noted.
Stephanie Perrin:Apologies for being late!
Amr Elsadr:Hi. Apologies for being late as well. Just dialled in.
Luc Seufer:if we all agree that 3.7.7.3 doesn't apply, why bother?
Volker Greimann:centralnic third-levels anyone?
Elizabeth Baney:I support getting 3.7.7.3. clarified by the GC
Gema Campillos:Appreciated.
Bladel:Right. Consider tumblr.com....
Michele Neylon:dialled in now - since the journo postponed until 4pm
Gisella Gruber-White:Kiran has joined the call
Maria Farrell:Sorry, I had to hang up as I have building work going on suddenly outside my office window. Just wanted to say I support Don's / steve's ideaof getting down to work on the sub headings.
Val Sherman:Can we just retitle the "Main Issues" as "Conclusions" and move it to the end
Gema Campillos:Agree with Val and Tim.
Stephanie Perrin:Thanks for bringing up the lawyers issue Don!
Mary Wong 2:@Val, how about "General Issues"? It may be that as the WG goes along these may crop up and so not necessarily be Conclusions.
Gisella Gruber-White:Osvaldo has joined the Adobe Connect
Tim Ruiz:Start with Main Issue #2. It is a threshold question.
Tim Ruiz:As part of Issue 2, who should or shouldn't be. Can you do both or only one or the other. Where do law firms, CentralNic, etc. come into this.
Stephanie Perrin:Could I bring up the point that the EWG did reach agreement that the customer info of a privacy proxy services customer would not appear in the new RDS...what would be in the RDS is the registrant information, so the proxy/shield service provider. There was no determination that such a registration would be "flagged" for general consumption, as I recall. (Michele may have a difference recollection)
Maria Farrell:michele is very hard on lawyers...
Maria Farrell::-)
Michele Neylon:Law professor claimed we were a publishers of a website
Michele Neylon:cos we hosted the damn thing
Maria Farrell:oh dear!
Holly Raiche:The issue isn't just lawyeers - it's everyone who may want to operate the service - are there some bottom line requirements that allows lawyers and other unincorporated bodies
Michele Neylon:Maria - she backed down when I pointed this out :)
Elizabeth Baney:apoligies - ignorant question: but is this group bound by the EWG's views (see Stephanie's comment), or couldn't we differ?
Michele Neylon:Elizabeth - feel free to differ :)
Michele Neylon:EWG is not binding on anyone
Marika Konings:Isn't the goal to set objective criteria which may mean that certain groups / individuals would not be able to qualify instead of singling out certain groups?
Elizabeth Baney:Thanks Michele ;)
Michele Neylon:Elizabeth - I'm on EWG
Michele Neylon:and we don't know everything
Holly Raiche:If we go to the RAA 2013 version, we have to include thespecification - part of what the Board passed
Elizabeth Baney:I know it!
Gema Campillos:The current speaker is saying what I wanted to say.
Michele Neylon:Gema - that's Tim Ruiz
Amr Elsadr:@Tim: +1. Answering Main Issue no. 2 now will be helpful down the road.
Mike Zupke:As reference, here is the statement of registrar accreditation policy:http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/accreditation/policy-statement
Don Blumenthal:Thanks for saving me the lookup effort on the RAA language
Mary Wong 2:@Elizabeth, the EWG and this WG are proceeding in parallel, so to the extent that the EWG concretely recommends something that may influence/impact this WG's discussions, it's something the WG will probably want to address. Staff will coordinate between the 2 groups and monitor, and it's of course helpful to have EWG members on this WG :)
Mary Wong 2:Note also that the EWG's mission is broader than this WG's charter (which focuses just on P&P services accreditation)
Holly Raiche:True Mary - but we have to deal with the specification onP/P so that is our task
Don Blumenthal:And Carlton for EWG
Val Sherman:@ Mary, that may work just fine. The title may evolve along as we work thru the issues.
Mary Wong 2:Following up on Michele's comment - the GNSO is due to kick off a PDP on the new gTLD registration data system AFTER the EWG completes its Final Report.
steve metalitz:what about work plan?
Graeme Bunton:That might hinge on the outcome of the poll
Luc Seufer:so hiatus until the poll results came back?
Luc Seufer:come
Marika Konings:Thinking through the order based on the first question may help people decide which order they would prefer?
Tim Ruiz:@Maria, I like this, "Isn't the goal to set objective criteria which may mean that certain groups / individuals would not be able to qualify instead of singling out certain groups?"
Don Blumenthal:Answers are due in less than three weeks. We have work to do in the interim
Tim Ruiz:I meant @Marika.
Maria Farrell:Can we make sure to have at least 1 hour of actual working time in Singaproe?
Mary Wong 2:@Maria, we've requested a 90-minute WG meeting; the WG can decide how much time of that you want to devote toc community feedback.
Amr Elsadr:@Don: Yes. I will also make the assumption that there will be community members outside this WG who might be interested in engaging with this WG..., possibly the GAC.
Maria Farrell:SOrry, building works outside and can't talk
Maria Farrell:working time is actual WG work, not presentation time and q&a
Don Blumenthal:That's what I figured but wanted to make sure.
Maria Farrell:We need to prioritise that in our request for scheduled meeting time.
Maria Farrell:thanks, don
Maria Farrell:also, re. 'consensus', I don't see how that is suddenly an issue. there will be remote participation, surely, like all calls. and if people are worried about anythignt he meeting does, I suggested last time that we do wht the ietf habitually does, and have notning accepted as agreed till the wg gets to review it by email following the f2f.
Marika Konings:@Holly - that will likely conflict with the joint GNSO-ccNSO meeting
Volker Greimann:it does
Marika Konings:@Holly - I know, just wanted to flag it :-)
Volker Greimann:so I will not be able to attend either
Mary Wong 2:@Maria, the WG meeting format can be as flexible/open as the WG wishes; most of the presentation/Q&A to-and-fro occurs in the GNSO weekend sessions.
Maria Farrell:thanks, mary
Mary Wong 2:Also WG Guidelines recommend that consensus calls are done on the list, to enable everyone to have a chance to consider and contribute.
Maria Farrell:exactly, so doing actual work at a f2f and then putting it to the list shouldn't be a problem.
Michele Neylon:https://thedaywefightback.org - 100k+ signature so far :)
Michele Neylon:her audio is b0rked ;)
Mary Wong 2:@Gema, as to your 2nd question - that was a question a WG member asked - if in addition to Reveal there should be Publication.
Maria Farrell:thanks don
Darcy Southwell:Thank you.
steve metalitz:all the points have question marks at the end. Gema is providing an answer.
Luc Seufer:Bye
Susan Prosser:bye
Gema Campillos:Ok. Thank you. I´ll take it to the list.
Marie-laure Lemineur:bye and tx
Amr Elsadr:thnx. bye.
Stephanie Perrin:Gema's point was important we need to come back to it....