24 February 2015
- Mary Wong
The next Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 24 February 2015 at 1500 UTC (07:00 PST, 10:00 EST, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET).
For other times: http://tinyurl.com/ndfa6or
Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/
Agenda:
- Roll call/updates to SOI
- Discuss draft disclosure text (circulated on 23 February)
- Next steps/next meeting
Document for Review:
Discussion Draft of Disclosure Text for Cat F - 23 Feb 2015
MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-24feb15-en.mp3
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-dmpm-24feb15-en.pdf
Attendees:
Frank Michlick – Individual
Val Sherman – IPC
Griffin Barnett – IPC
Kathy Kleiman – NCSG
Todd Williams – IPC
David Heasley - IPC
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Luc Seufer – RrSG
Don Blumenthal – RySG
Jim Bikoff - IPC
Michele Neylon- RrSG
Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP
James Bladel – RrSG
Vicky Scheckler – IPC
Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC
Volker Greimann – RrSG
Christian Dawson – ISPCP
Sarah Wyld – RrSG
Carlton Samuels – ALAC
Richard Leaning – no soi
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG
Roger Carney – RrSG
Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG
Phil Corwin – BC
Stephanie Perrin - NCSG
Apologies:
Alex Deacon –IPC
Darcy Southwell – RrSG
Chris Pelling – RrSG
Graeme Bunton – RrSG
Holly Raiche – ALAC
Susan Kawaguchi - BC
ICANN staff:
Marika Konings
Mary Wong
Daniela Andela
Terri Agnew
Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 24 February 2015
Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 24 February 2015
Osvaldo Novoa:Hello everyone!
Val Sherman:David Heasley and Jim Bikoff are also on
Terri Agnew:I have noted David and Jim
Val Sherman:Thanks Terri!
Kathy:Hi All!
Bladel:+1 Steve. Thank you for all of your work, Don.
Don Blumenthal:Stress? :) Thanks.
Kathy:+2 Much appreciated, Don!
Terri Agnew:Kiran Malancharuvil has joined audio
Stephanie Perrin:Apologies for being late...
Carlton Samuels:Howdy all. Apologies for coming in late
Todd Williams:Likewise: apologies for being late.
Kathy:Keeping in mind the limits and scopes of ICANN.... including not regulating content
Terri Agnew:Vicky Sheckler has joined audio
Bladel:Kathy - Yes, and this is something that is becoming increasingly important (not just for PPSAI).
Bladel:ICANN shouldn't regulate content, but service providers (as private entities) should be able to set their own content policies.
Bladel:But service providers shouldn't be under pain of ICANN Compliance to act (or not act) in a certain way. Not sure everyone completely agrees with that yet.
Terri Agnew:Welcome Volker Greimann
Terri Agnew:Welcome Luc Seufer
Luc Seufer:Hi Terry et alia
Kathy:Interesting background - tx Steve and James!
Kathy:"allegedly infringes" as nothing has been adjudicated :-)
Christian Dawson:+1 to Michele
Kathy:Agree that exact URL is key
Michele Neylon:we got several in the last week where we had to waste time asking for specific URLs
Michele Neylon:(speaking as a hosting provider)
Mary Wong:Please mute your mics when not speaking
Mary Wong:Also, please ensure that you use only one set of speakers/mic
Michele Neylon:+1 Mary
Stephanie Perrin:THanks, that helps clarify
Don Blumenthal:Provider TOS can allow for quick action that mans other merhods aren't necessary.
Michele Neylon:+1 James
Val Sherman:+1 James -- that's fair
Michele Neylon:if we can't see the alleged infringement we can't act
Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with that
Michele Neylon:"use the force" isn't sane
Michele Neylon:re: available / not available - couldn't it be resolved by simply using "if" ie. if it is available
Volker Greimann:there will also have to be some form of external verification of the copyright claim
Volker Greimann:how will the provider know if the claim is valid?
Volker Greimann:+1 for Kathy. If someone complaints that writing about Tethans in volcanoes violates their copyright, that may not be easy to decide
Stephanie Perrin:Michele has just asked my next question, bravo!
Volker Greimann:so if a platform like abay or alibaba used whois privacy and a customer sold Gucci handbags, what would be your request?
Kathy:There are real dangers in not allowing the Customer to discuiss circumstances privately with the SErvice Provider
Philip Corwin:General approach seems ok so far -- but noting for record that the method of resolving provider claims of false statements/misrepresentations remains to be decided and that this is extremely important to prevent abuse of the process.
Todd Williams:Steve just made the point I was going to make. It's "lack of"
Frank Michlick:+1 for Michele.
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid 2:I also agree with Michele. We are not here to be judge and jury.
dick leaning:agree with michele
Michele Neylon:I'm taking a screenshot of that
dick leaning::-)
Don Blumenthal:Scary, isn't it?
Kathy:We'll definitely need a procedure for the Customer to obtain statements from Requestor that can be challenged as appropriate in court and elsewhere
Kathy:Tx to Steve and All for walking us through!
Bladel:Thanks, Steve.
Kathy:(statements being access to the good faith statement and allegations....)
Carlton Samuels:Thank you all
Val Sherman:Thanks, Steve and all!
Kathy:Bye All
dick leaning:thanks all
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid 2:Thank you