3 June 2014

The next Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 03 June 2014 at 1400 UTC 07:00 PDT, 10:00 EDT, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET

For other times: http://tinyurl.com/ksuntyf

Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/

Agenda:

Roll Call/Updates to SOI
Discuss next steps for the “transfer issue” following Kathy and James’ report
Finalize deliberations on D-2
Commence deliberations on D-3 (if time permits)
Next steps/next meeting

Documents for Review:

PPSAI - Category D Question 2 - updated 29 May 2014

PPSAI - Category D Question 3 - 2 June 2014

Other Documents (for List Discussion/Finalization):

PPSAI - Category C - Question 3 - updated 2 June 2014

PPSAI Category D - Question 1 - updated 2 June 2014

MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140602-en.mp3

Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/node/45379

Attendees:

Steve Metalitz - IPC

Kathy Kleiman – NCUC

Justin Macy – BC

James Bladel – RrSG

Laura Jedeed – BC

Sarah Wyld - RrSG

Michele Neylon – RrSG

Chris Pelling – RrSG

David Cake – NCSG

Jennifer Standiford – RrSG

Christian Dawson – ISPCP

Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP

Don Moody – IPC

Darcy Southwell - RrSG

Graeme Bunton – RrSG

Don Blumenthal – RySG

Luc Seufer – RrSG

Phil Marano – SOI

Todd Williams – IPC

Jim Bikoff – IPC

Frank Michlick – RrSG

Holly Raiche – ALAC

Susan Prosser- RrSG

Kristina Rosette – IPC

Val Sherman – IPC

Todd Williams – IPC

Tim Ruiz – RrSG

David Heasley – IPC

Griffin Barnett – IPC

Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG

Apologies:

Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC

Paul McGrady – IPC

Tobias Sattler – RrSG

Stephanie Perrin – NCSG

Libby Baney – BC

Brian Winterfeldt - IPC

Joe Catapano - staff

ICANN staff:

Mary Wong

Amy Bivins

Terri Agnew

Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 03 June 2014:

Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 03 June 2014

Graeme Bunton:First one in!

Terri Agnew:You sure are

Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all

Val Sherman:Good morning

Chris Pelling:afternoon all :)

Chris Pelling:just waiting for the attendants to pick the phone up :)

steve metalitz:enjoying the Thelonious Monk tune while waiting for coordinator to assist me momentarily

Frank Michlick:Hell.

Frank Michlick:erm

Frank Michlick:Hello

Holly Raiche:Great music!

steve metalitz:Round Midnight

Holly Raiche:Febulous number!

Don Blumenthal:I'm jealous about the music. Adobe doesn't have it.

Kathy:I think they should change the music to Rock

Frank Michlick:Yep, we want music here too ;-)

Bladel:Waiting on the Operator. Did they cut staff over there or something?

Susan Prosser:i agree Kathy

Holly Raiche:No Kathy - not with that jazz

Chris Pelling:some status quo would be nice

Chris Pelling:crumbs 4 mins and still on this music

Don Blumenthal:Holly, agreed

Kathy::-) Holly

Tim Ruiz:Anyone getting in on the phone?

Chris Pelling:hoora

Don Blumenthal:Chris, is that a yes to Tim?

Kathy:@Tim -- not me, stil waiting

Val Sherman:@Tim -- on hold

Bladel:finally.

Chris Pelling:just got in

Chris Pelling:to Don that was

Holly Raiche:Agreed on the jazz

Tim Ruiz:Got in!

Terri Agnew:Todd Williams and David Heasley has joined

Holly Raiche:So have you seen Miles live- FAB

Terri Agnew:Griffin Barnett has joined

Kathy:I'm in now too...

Terri Agnew:Jim Bikoff has joined

Mary Wong:@Michele, yes that is correct.

Bladel:I wasn't aware it was optional. :)

Bladel:That's why I'm so annoying in IRTP.

Graeme Bunton:My job title was updated in my SOI, no other changes

Mary Wong:Thanks, Graeme.

Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined

Don Blumenthal:It's not optional. I have found it annoying so I didn't do it until being corrected

Terri Agnew:David Cake has joined

Terri Agnew:Jennifer Standiford has joined

Kathy:Sorry Don, my thought was that the follow-up work (now to do) is narrow and focused

Don Blumenthal:Thanks for the clarification. Lots of audio cut outs here.

Kathy:Agree with James

Tim Ruiz:ICANN critical would be at a minimum anything required in the RAA and Consensus Policy, IMHO.

Tim Ruiz:I would also include anything that this WG deems critical regarding any of the areas we are covering.

Tim Ruiz:Reveal for example.

Kathy:Yikes, more work...

Bladel:Sure, but I think we would need more help. :)

Kathy:Seriously, I would be happy to

Bladel:Yes, same here. Just need some fresh recruits.

Kathy:Agree - who can join us

Kristina Rosette:not just you. happening to me too now.

Bladel:Don is breaking up.

Bladel:No problems on the phone bridge, tho.

Bladel:I can hear tim.

Michele Neylon:yes

Holly Raiche:yes

Tim Ruiz:Could anyone hear me?

Terri Agnew:@Tim, yes but you were breaking up a bit

Holly Raiche:Yes Kathy thks

Holly Raiche:yes

Susan Prosser:yes, Kathy

Terri Agnew:Don is back

Don Blumenthal:Maybe :)

Kathy: Great, we have James, Holly, Kathy --- who else?

Kathy:on the subgroup...

Kathy:and adopt issues 1 and 3 for consideration in appropriate later sections, eg., relay

Bladel:I don't heart them.

Bladel:Maybe Don should dial in?

Bladel:Clearly this chat room is haunted!

Holly Raiche:One is tempted to comment about hearing voices

Chris Pelling:that 24 hour contact is only for abuse *

Kathy:Tx for the clarification, Michele!

steve metalitz:@Michele, the issue is contactability, not necessarily response

Kathy:would it be possible to post the RAA sections?

Mary Wong:@Kathy for now they're summarized in the first para of the WG Response in Column 3 - I will find the link to the actual RAA.

Mary Wong:Link to 2013 RAA and Specs: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en

Kathy:Great, tx Mary!

Kathy:I like reading the full language iof RAA 2013 for 3.18 - it's pretty readable.

Terri Agnew:as a reminder, please mute whennot speaking

Terri Agnew:on telephone press *6 to mute or unmute

steve metalitz:Let's remember that accreditation standards need to apply to p/p services not affiliated with registrars -- as well as those affiliated -- so registrar abuse contact may not be in a position to resolve.

Terri Agnew:Tatiana Khramtsova has joined

Michele Neylon:apparently "defamation" is illegal

Michele Neylon:which is a problem

Luc Seufer:@Steve under the 2013 RAA registrars have to escrow the underlying data

Holly Raiche:@Michele - while it is 'against the law' it is a civiil ratherthan criminal matter

Luc Seufer:so they have to be aware of it

Holly Raiche:@ Michele - that's in the Australian jurisdiction

Kathy:Plus, the allegation of defamation is not the same as the proof of defamation.

Holly Raiche:@ Kathy - so true

Michele Neylon:Under Irish law unfortunately the allegation is practically the same as being found guilty

Michele Neylon:as it's nigh on impossible to defend against

Kathy:In the US, in chatroom cases, there is protection provided in the process because allegations of defamation were used to try to disclose whistleblowers and other....

Michele Neylon:really badly written law

steve metalitz:Should we kick off on D3?

Michele Neylon:we have 3 minutes left

Mary Wong:Under 2013 RAA "Illegal Activity" is defined as conduct involviing a Registered Name that is "prohibited by law".

Graeme Bunton:I suspect we just hold on d3 for a week

Kathy:Interesting discussion, all!

Don Blumenthal:agrree pm D3

Don Blumenthal:on D3

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