16 December 2014

he next  Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 16 December 2014 at 1500 UTC 07:00 PST, 10:00 EST, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET

For other times: http://tinyurl.com/ksm6cdy

Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/ 

MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20141216-en.mp3

Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-ppsa-16dec14-en.pdf

Attendees: 

Steve Metalitz - IPC

Graeme Bunton – RrSG

Frank Michlick – Individual

Justin Macy - BC

Susan Kawaguchi – BC

Kristina Rosette – IPC

Val Sherman – IPC

Theo Geurts - RrSG

Stephanie Perrin - NCSG

James Bladel – RrSG

Griffin Barnett – IPC

Alex Deacon – IPC

Kathy Kleiman – NCSG

Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP

Phil Corwin – BC

Sarah Wyld – RrSG

Vicky Scheckler – IPC

Holly Raiche – ALAC

Christian Dawson-ISPCP

Carlton Samuels – ALAC

Michele Neylon – RrSG

Don Blumenthal – RySG

Phil Marano - IPC

Todd Williams – IPC

David Cake – NCSG

David Heasley - IPC

 Darcy Southwell – RrSG

David Hughes - IPC

Apologies:

Lindsay Hamilton-Reid- RrSG

Richard Leaning – no SOI

Paul McGrady – IPC

Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC

Marika Konings

ICANN staff:

Mary Wong

Daniela Andela

Nathalie Peregrine

 Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 16 December 2014:

   Nathalie  Peregrine:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 16 December 2014

  Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all

  Kathy:Hi All -- on a completely different note, I wanted to share that my documentary (on the ENIAC Programmers) "played the White House" last Wednesday -- as part of the First Computer Science Film Festival :-)

  Kathy:No Presidential participation -- but lots of students!

  Theo Geurts:cool

  Bladel::(

  steve metalitz:Note that regrets also received from Paul McGrady

  Nathalie  Peregrine:noted, thanks

  Kathy:We're not meeting next week, are we?

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Vicky Scheckler joined the AC room

  Nathalie  Peregrine:you all have scrolling rights now

  Nathalie  Peregrine:David Cake

  Nathalie  Peregrine:has joined the cal

  Stephanie Perrin:& Kathy, Wow, congratulations!  

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Graeme, i have now promoted you to presented, you can scroll now and all should see

  Kristina Rosette:Apologies for being late.  Needed a few minutes to decompress after my 2 hour commute!

  Nathalie  Peregrine:David Hughes is on the audio bridge

  val sherman:Kathy - -that's great. Congrats!

  Nathalie  Peregrine:all have scrolling rights now

  Kathy:@Kristina - 2 hours?  It is bumper to bumper out there (DC)?

  Kathy:Is it?

  Kathy:@Mary - I like that clarification

  Kristina Rosette:@Kathy.  Yes.  Water main break on 12th Street, flooded Metro Center, shut down orange-blue-silver lines (so everyone from VA drove) and then 12th closed between E &F.

  Michele Neylon:oh lovely

  Kathy:@Kristina - yikes!

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Apologies from Kiran Malancharuvil

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Don Blumenthal has joined the AC room

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined the call

  Carlton Samuels:Morning all

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Please all MUTE phones and mics as we are getting an echo.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:If you are listening via the audio bridge, please mute your computer speakers.

  Kristina Rosette:Could we flag this definition as a point on which we specifically seek community input (when the report goes out for public comment)?

  Kathy:Let's try this: Persistent Failure of Delivery = a technical failure of delivery over a period of time after which the system stops trying to deliver?

  Michele Neylon:Kristina +1

  Michele Neylon:that would help

  steve metalitz:+1 Kristina

  val sherman:+1

  Bladel:Sounds good.  I think the key is for a provider to be aware that delivery failed or was abandoned due to excessive attempts.

  Michele Neylon:I like community input

  Don Blumenthal:I thought I was. I can hear but I guess that the mic isn't working.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Don, can we dial out to you?

  Holly Raiche:Agree with Kathy

  steve metalitz:James' point is already in the text -- "that the provider becomes aware of."  

  Kathy:@Steve, agreed, but we should also include it with the def of technical failure since the def is really two parts: the technical failure + knowledge of it by P/P (I would put both in the new footnote)

  Bladel:"Reasonable limits on repeated duplicate requests."

  Don Blumenthal:My hand was up as a polite way to see if I got the mic to work. No luck.

  steve metalitz:+1 James on reasonable limits

  Bladel:There should probably be an "or" bweteen "repeated" and "duplicate"

  Bladel:Apologies for that.  Also, I'll need to drop at 9:30CST, so thanks folks.

  Holly Raiche:Agree with Kathy on need to there being two parts - technical and knowledge of failure

  Kathy:should/must -> public comment?

  Todd Williams:+1 Steve

  Kristina Rosette:+1 to steve

  val sherman:+ 1 Steve

  Michele Neylon:+1 Kathy

  Darcy Southwell:+1 to Kathy

  steve metalitz:"should" is not a minimum standard, it's a recommendation

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the call

  Nathalie  Peregrine:trying to find course of echo

  Graeme Bunton:Could you elaborate Kathy?

  val sherman:How would these be enforceable if these were merely recommendations?

  Kristina Rosette:@Val:  They wouldn't be. That's the problem.

  Michele Neylon:suggesting that we get input during a public comment period is not deferring

  Michele Neylon:it's simply moving forward

  val sherman:How would these standards be enforceable if they were mere recommendations?

  Graeme Bunton:So, email or form failed, then Providers must use phone or physical mail to forward escalation?

  Holly Raiche:I think it should be must - recognising that the requirement is to make the effort to contact and accepting that contact may not necessarily be made

  val sherman:Sorry for duplicate comments -- also having issues with Adobe

  Holly Raiche:@ Graeme - I don't think we have agreed on what method is to be used if email contact fails - maybe that is what we seek comment on

  Michele Neylon:Holly - I'd prefer it were left open

  Graeme Bunton:Was just pondering what other methods would be at our disposal

  Michele Neylon:ie. if I want to ring them, send them a letter or drive to their house

  Michele Neylon:I should be able to choose what method works best for me

  Holly Raiche:@ Michael - I don't think we are trying to determine what method is used - that should be left open.  The question is between saying an attempt must be made doing something differently to try to make contact

  Graeme Bunton:no disagreement on provider selection, Michele

  Holly Raiche:Provider selection isn't the issue - I see that as a given.  The issue for Steve is whether or not an attempt should or must be made

  Susan Kawaguchi:If the current process for de-accreditatin ofregistrars works well then I think we should not reinvent the wheel

  steve metalitz:+1 Holly "provider selection" of the means of alternative relay  is in the text already

  Holly Raiche:@ Michele - apologies for the misspelling - it's 0250 here

  Kathy:In general, I think there are points newly added in this doc that I would like some time to think about...

  Kristina Rosette:+1 to Michele and Susan

  Holly Raiche:Agree with Kathy - spend time on the next calll - next week??

  val sherman:pick up?

  Nathalie  Peregrine:trying to find the noisy line

  Michele Neylon:lol

  Graeme Bunton:Hooray!

  Stephanie Perrin:Sorry lost sound, hope we are returning to theseissues next week

  steve metalitz:+1 on "general recommendation"

  Nathalie  Peregrine:AC audio is still running

  Michele Neylon:I need to drop

  Michele Neylon:have yet another call now

  Carlton Samuels:Talk to all of you anon. Bye