26 August 2014
- Mary Wong
The next Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 26 August 2014 at 1400 UTC
07:00 PDT, 10:00 EDT, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET
For other times: http://tinyurl.com/mx4kw2q
Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/
Agenda:
- Roll Call/Updates to SOI
- Continue deliberations on F-1
- (if time permits) Commence deliberations on F-2
- Next steps
Documents for Review:
PPSAI - Category F Question 1 - updated 26 August 2014
PPSAI - Category F Question 2 - 26 August 2014
MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140826-en.mp3
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-ppsa-26aug14-en.pdf
Attendees:
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Graeme Bunton – RrSG
Val Sherman – IPC
Griffin Barnett – IPC
Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG
Frank Michlick – Individual
Volker Greimann-RrSG
Don Blumenthal – RySG
David Heasley-IPC
Jim Bikoff-IPC
James Bladel - RrSG
Michele Neylon – RrSG
Alex Deacon – IPC
Chris Pelling – RrSG
Stephanie Perrin – NCSG
Tobias Sattler – RrSG
Todd Williams – IPC
Kathy Kleiman – NCSG
Phil Corwin – BC
Justin Macy - BC
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG
Susan Kawaguchi – BC
Kristina Rosette – IPC
Darcy Southwell – RrSG
Amr Elsadr – NCUC
Paul McGrady – IPC
Libby Baney – BC
Phil Marano – IPC
Apologies:
Holly Raiche – ALAC
Sarah Wyld - RrSG
ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Marika Konings
Amy Bivins
Danielle Andela
Terri Agnew
Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 26 August 2014:
Terri Agnew 2:Dear all, welcome to the PPSAI call on the 26th August 2014
Tobias Sattler:Hi
Stephanie Perrin:HI everybody!
Graeme Bunton:G'morning Stephanie
Kristina Rosette:Hi everyone. I'll likely be on mute for most of the call.
Don Blumenthal:I hope that everyone will be except when speaking. :)
Stephanie Perrin:Good morning Graeme, how is my fav Canadian registrar doing?
Graeme Bunton:Just fine, thanks. You should come visit!
Chris Pelling:afternoon all
Michele Neylon:facilitator?
Terri Agnew:Amr Elsadr and Kathy Kleiman has joined
Terri Agnew:James Bladel has now joined
Michele Neylon:we speak the good English we do
Kristina Rosette:I've clearly missed this. Why a facilitator?
Mary Wong:There will therefore be two facilitators - one from Incite (who some of you may have worked with as they are doing the ICANN Academy facilitation training) and Thomas, our "community facilitator", who will assist.
Marika Konings:Thanks for those of you who already confirmed their participation. If there are others that have not done so yet, but are planning to participate in person or remotely, please let staff know off-list so we can take a a head-count
Stephanie Perrin:what is the date again?
Kristina Rosette:My question can be answered later, offline
Marika Konings:Friday 10 October
Terri Agnew:Don we are unable to hear you
Don Blumenthal:OK. I'll experiment
Mary Wong:@Kristina, the idea for the F2F all-day session is part of the FY15 pilot project approved by the GNSO Council - to select a current GNSO WG that's at a stage of its work and as such can benefit from a F2F session assisted by facilitators.
Terri Agnew:Paul McGrady has joined
Marika Konings:To add, this follows from GNSO Council discussions as well as ATRT2 recommendations
Mary Wong:In London the Council agreed that our WG - since we're aiming for an Initial Report in early 2015 - would be a good choice for the pilot.
Paul McGrady:Good morning all. Sorry to be tardy.
Terri Agnew:Val Sherman has joined
Marika Konings:The idea is to explore whether facilitation as well as F2F time help PDP WGs in moving forward in their deliberations and what impact this potentially has on the overall timeline
Kathy:Good questions
Kathy:Hi All!
Stephanie Perrin:@Mary and Marika, thanks for the reminders!
Mary Wong:The proposed definitions are in the right hand side pod of your screen
Terri Agnew:tatiana Khramtsova has joined
Graeme Bunton:Agreed
Kathy:Good definitions
Kathy:person should mean individual, corporate, organizational
Terri Agnew:David Heasley is on audio
Kathy:@Mary/scribe: I don't think legal entity/organizational is the same thing. They should and often are different.
Bladel:"and lo, I looked upon the Revlataions in WHOIS..."
Amr Elsadr:or "means revealing a person...,
steve metalitz:"to reveal a" works
Kathy:not all organizations are incorporated, and many a collection of individuals
Mary Wong:@James, per Kathy's comment, can you repeat your suggestion?
Stephanie Perrin:so we should fix it...
Kristina Rosette:Agree with Michele about not changing the term. Like Steve's suggested edit.
Mary Wong:@Steve, @Kristina - does the current formulation in the pod now work?
Bladel:@Mary: "person, legal entity, or organization..."
Bladel:someting like that.
Stephanie Perrin:@michele so how about we define "reveal": used in this context as a noun....etc
Stephanie Perrin:I certainly like it better Steve!
Graeme Bunton:I think so too, steve
Kathy:I would like to recommend thalt we talk about publication after disclosure (the details, that is)
Mary Wong:I've linked the word "Reveal" (capitalized) to the specific issue of Whois contact details - hope that helps
Kathy:Tx Steve!
Mary Wong:Note that in the charter questions for this category, in addition to a specific question about safeguards (Q4) there are also Qs for, e.g.: "7. What specific alleged violations of the provider’s terms of service, if any, would be sufficient to trigger publication of the registrant/owner’s contact information?"
Terri Agnew:Don is back on telephone
Mary Wong:@Steve, yes we were - let us know if we should do that (the compilation is on Template E)
Mary Wong:Apologies - Template E only has the provider responses for Relay; we will compile and add for Reveal to Template F.
Amr Elsadr:@James: Curious about the recent events leading to requiring the indication of a more formal process. :)
Amr Elsadr:Thanks James.
Bladel:@Amr - sure, let's catch up in LA. :)
Terri Agnew:Libby Baney has joined audio
Kathy:Hi Don, can address general issues now?
Kathy:Intro statements - so to speak?
Kathy:That's where Steve was going...
Bladel:that was me. Don't want to be unfair to Steve. :)
Don Blumenthal:Thanks, Kathy. I didn't hear Steve's question.
Bladel:NOt sure how we/ICANN could effectively do that.
Amr Elsadr:Not sure how limitations on 3d parties can be imposed at all.
Marika Konings:We've updated the template with the information from the sample relating to reveal and will upload that now in Adobe Connect (and distribute following the call)
Kathy:I like the idea of notifying the customer first ...
Kathy:@Amr, we might seek to limit further access to that requestor... and there may be data protection law limitations as well
Kathy:Steve et all: forgive the phrasing, but is "mere allegation" enough?
Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: Not sure what you mean by limited access. Can't contact information be copied down?
steve metalitz:@Kathy, prima facie evidence
Bladel:"digital asylum."
Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined
Kathy:tx James!
Kathy:Also, if we provide good guidance, most of the Requestors will probably honor the limitations...
Bladel:As service providers, our first duty is to our businesses. But we cetainly don't want to jeopardize anyone's (or the public's) safety.
Bladel:@Michele - exactly. Copyright of religious materials to squelch criticims. Or building religions around racism/hate speech in an effort to call it "protected speech"
Michele Neylon:James - we've had all sorts of fun
Kathy:So are we moving towards an endorsement of p/p processes and due processes...?
Kathy:@Mary/scribes, could we expand Notes to include Jusrisdiction/due process generally?
Susan Kawaguchi:@ James do you have an idea on how often you would "nuke" the domain name?
Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: +1
Justin Macy:@Michele and @James, but what if you are just a p/p provider and don't have authority of taking down a website?
Michele Neylon:Justin - the domain has to be with a registrars
Michele Neylon:it cannot be registered magically
Graeme Bunton:I don't think anything we'
Justin Macy:Right, but if I'm a p/p provider I don't have to be affiliated with a registrar. Right?
Michele Neylon:and the proxy / prviacy provider cannot pull a domain as easily as a registrar or registry
Graeme Bunton:ve discussed prevents a service provider from acting on a violation of it's toS
Kathy:+1 Volker
Amr Elsadr:@Volker: +1 on baselines. :)
Kathy:@Volker: Interesting, it may a terms of service issue, not a Reveal issue...
Mary Wong:@Kathy, @Volker, note this Q in Cat F to follow: "7. What specific alleged violations of the provider’s terms of service, if any, would be sufficient to trigger publication of the registrant/owner’s contact information?"
Paul McGrady:Sorry that my Internet connection keeps dropping
Kathy:@Mary -- or takedown...
Kathy:@James, digital asylum is a great term
Don Blumenthal:Kathy, no matter how one might define "asylum."
Alex Deacon:@James - +1 on following the 80/20 rule here.
Kathy::-)
Graeme Bunton:yep, good discussion everyone
Bladel:"baseline" is good. But we should pursue ideas liek "illegal activity" vs. speicifcally naming conduct, etc.
Darcy Southwell:Thanks
Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.