25 February 2014

The next  Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 25th February 2014 at 1500 UTC (07:00 PST, 10:00 EST, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET).

Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled:  https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/

Agenda:

1. Roll Call/Updates to SOIs
2. Overview of how the Registrar Accreditation Program works (briefing by ICANN staff)
3. WG Finalization of template for Charter Question A-2
4. Discussion of Charter Question B-1
5. Planning for Singapore

Documents for Review:

PPSAI - Cat I - Question 2 (for finalization)

PPSAI - Cat B - Question 1 (for discussion)

Presentation on RAA Accreditation Process  

MP3 Recording: http://gnso.icann.org/en/node/43931

Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-ppsa-25feb14-en.pdf

Attendees: 

Luc Seufer - RrSG

Volker Greimann - RrSG

Graeme Bunton – RrSG

Tim Ruiz – RrSG

Sarah Wyld – RrSG

David Heasley - IPC

James Bladel - RrSG

Steve Metalitz - IPC

Osvaldo Novoa  - ISPCP

Kathy Kleiman – RySGgr

Justin Macy - BC

Darcy Southwell - RrSG

Alex Deacon - IPC

Todd Williams – IPC

Don Moody - IPC

Don Blumenthal - RySG

Libby Baney - BC

Phil Marano – IPC

Jim Bikoff – IPC

Tatiana Khramstova - RrSG

Griffin Barnett - IPC

Roy Balleste – NCUC

Tobias Sattler - RrSG

Holly Raiche - ALAC

Paul McGrady - IPC

Amr Elsadr - NCUC

Kristina Rosette – IPC

Statton Hammock – RySG

Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC

David Cake - NCSG

Valeriya Sherman – IPC

Apologies:

Susan Prosser - RrSG

Maria Farrell – NCUC 

Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC

Mary Wong

ICANN staff:

Marika Konings

Margie Milam

Amy Bivins

Mike Zupke

Joe Catapano

Glen de St Gery

Terri Agnew

Nathalie Peregrine

Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 25 February 2014:

  Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 25 February 2014

  Tobias Sattler:Hi there

  Graeme Bunton:Good morning all

  Bladel:(Sinatra hold music)

  Don Blumenthal:James, would you prefer something else?

  Tim Ruiz:Loved the hold music!

  Tim Ruiz:Guess that shows my age :-)

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Noted

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Tatiana Khramtsova and Volker Greimann have joine dthe call

  Luc Seufer:ON top of being exiled to a cold city, they can't pay Mike a proper headset...ICANN you are cheap!

  Nathalie  Peregrine:David Heasley and Kiran Malancharuvil have joined the audio bridge

  Luc Seufer: Phase VII (6 months) issuance of a Data Retention Specification waiver is missing. :-p

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the call

  Phil Marano:Apologies for the delay.  A little snow in the DC metro area, and everything shuts down.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Stephanie Perrin has joined the AC room

  Volker Greimann:We should also include a maxcimum timeframe in which ICANN staff needs to either approve or deny an application (#lessonslearnedfromthewaiverprocess)

  Luc Seufer:@Volker agreed

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Paul McGrady has joined the audio bridge

  Mike Zupke:As promised, here is the Statement of Registrar Accreditation Policy: http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/accreditation/policy-statement

  Don Blumenthal:Thank, Mike.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa has joined the AC room

  Osvaldo Novoa:Hi all, sorry I am late.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Amr Elsadr and David Cake have joined the call

  Libby Baney:I aree with Steve - it should be made known in the registration

  Amr Elsadr:@Steve: If the registrar doesn't control the format of the output, what would value would there be in the proxy/privacy service indicating it is one? Not sure, I understand how this would help?

  Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with Libby and Steve.  It should be made known. 

  Amr Elsadr:Assuming that the proxy/privacy provider is accredited, wouldn't there be a list of known service providers anyway?

  steve metalitz:@Amr, registrar does control format of Whois output. 

  Kathy Kleiman:@James, how would have work in terms of labeling?

  Luc Seufer:repurposing the registrant name field?

  Bladel:"Service Name, on behalf of Customer (some Customer ID)"

  Kathy Kleiman:is that a proxy or privacy service?

  Bladel:That would be a proxy

  steve metalitz:@Amr #2, no guarantee that Whois info wil match up with name of accredited service.  Try this sometime with accredited registrars now. 

  Kathy Kleiman:tx

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Val Sherman has joined the call

  Luc Seufer:and for proxy?

  Luc Seufer:sorry privacy?

 Bladel:Privacy would have the PP Customer name as Registrant

  Amr Elsadr:@Steve #2: so matching up of whois info with accredited service would settle this, if it becomes an accreditation requirement, right?

  steve metalitz:@Amr, yes as in James' example. 

  Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with Kathy.  The 2013 RAA requirements are appropriate for this purpose. 

  Justin Macy:+1 to Steve

  Libby Baney:+1 wto Steve

  Libby Baney:(to)

  steve metalitz:Volker, can you provide a reference to the finding that underlying data of privacy service users is more accurate?  Thanks

  Stephanie Perrin:I cannot see why we would insist on reverifying, if (as I suspect) the true criminals are going to fake their data at strategic points anyway...no point in continuing to verify the data.

  Amr Elsadr:@Volker: if you could dig up that study, it would be appreciated.

  Marika Konings:@Steve - some of the Whois Studies seemed to indicate that, but it also acknowledged that this is probably not independently verifiable

  Amr Elsadr:+1 to Volker and James.

  Graeme Bunton:Also agreeing with Volker and James

  steve metalitz:Sorry, as indicated, must drop off the call early.  Look forward to furthr discussion on this point.

  Bladel:And when someone loses a name, it's always the bad guy registrar, and not ICANN.

  Volker Greimann:I think that is the one I had seen as well, thank you Kathy!

  Marika Konings:I'll have a look - Kathy, any idea what year that study took place?

  Darcy Southwell:Agree with Volker and James on this issue.

  Kathy Kleiman:@Marika, let's reach out together to Emily Taylor, chair of Whois REview Team, and General Counsel of Nominet (I think) when this study was conducted

  Kathy Kleiman:who is speaking now?

  Kathy Kleiman:I don't think we have proof that people are seeking anything more than privacy in a p/p service

  Paul McGrady:I have only recently joined the Adobe.  I was on the phone before but because this wasn't on the agenda for today, I was not alerted that we needed to review these materials for today.  Can we be sure to leave this issue open for next week?

  val sherman:what types of activities would trigger a reverification of customer data?

  Holly Raiche:+ Steve

  Kathy Kleiman:+1 Volker

  Kristina Rosette:Have to drop for another meeting.  Agree with Paul  w/r/t carryover to next week, please.

  Luc Seufer:What Volker said. Double verification/validation would serve no purpose

  Volker Greimann:same goes for different standards of verification. There is no reason that what is good for one is not good for the other

  Paul McGrady:Marika, Thank you!

  Bladel:AGree

  Tim Ruiz:Agree, and I will be dropping off shortly.

  Kathy Kleiman:Tx you, Don!

  Tim Ruiz:Thanks Don.

  Kiran Malancharuvil:thx!

  Justin Macy:Thanks!

  Statton_H (Rightside):Thanks Don

  Amr Elsadr:thanks. bye.

  Luc Seufer:bye