8 July 2014

The next Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 8 July 2014 at 1400 UTC 07:00 PDT, 10:00 EDT, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET

For other times: http://tinyurl.com/odrpd57

Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/

Agenda:

Roll call / SOI
Recap from F2F meeting in London
Review work plan and plans for F2F meeting in Los Angeles (see work plan attached)
Finalize Cat D – Q 4 template (see latest version attached – including alternate language suggested by Don and Kathy)
Commence deliberations on Cat E – Q 1 (if time allows)
Next steps / confirm next meeting

Document for Review:

MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140707-en.mp3

Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-ppsa-08jul14-en.pdf

Attendees:

Steve Metalitz - IPC

Justin Macy – BC

Sarah Wyld - RrSG

Chris Pelling – RrSG

Darcy Southwell - RrSG

Graeme Bunton – RrSG

Don Blumenthal – RySG

Phil Marano – IPC

Val Sherman – IPC

Griffin Barnett – IPC

Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG

Susan Kawguchi – BC

Volker Greimann – RrSG

Kathy Kleiman – NCUC

Holly Raiche – ALAC

Luc Seufer – RrSG

Stephanie Perrin – NCSG

Michele Neylon – RrSG

James Bladel – RrSG

Roy Balleste – NCUC

Michele Neylon – RrSG

Don Moody – IPC

David Heasley – IPC

Jim Bikoff – IPC

Frank Michlick – Individual

Kristina Rosette – IPC

Paul McGrady – IPC

Carlton Samuels – ALAC

Todd Williams – IPC

Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG

Apologies:

Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP

Susan Prosser- RrSG

Brian Winterfeldt - IPC

ICANN staff:

Marika Konings

Mary Wong

Amy Bivins

Glen de Saint Gery

Terri Agnew

Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 08 July 2014:

Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting of 8 July 2014

Terri Agnew:Hi everyhone, AC will be connected in a moment

Bladel:Good mroning. I'm finishing up another call, but will join the bridge when able. Thanks!

Terri Agnew:Thank you for letting us know James

Michele Neylon:I'll dial in shortly

Chris Pelling:afternoon all :)

Val Sherman:Good morning all

Don Blumenthal:The adobe call in feature isn't enabled. I will jump to Skype,.

Val Sherman:David Heasley also on call

Terri Agnew:I have David noted

Graeme Bunton:Is there a reason we can't connect to the Adobe audio?

Michele Neylon:dialled in ..

Michele Neylon:yay

Michele Neylon:or something

Stephanie Perrin:cannot activate audio, do we give up and dial in?

Michele Neylon:Operator is saying to dialin

Michele Neylon:though since audio isn't working

Michele Neylon:I suspect only those of us on the bridge are hearing her :)

Chris Pelling:whoever is typing please turn your MIC off

Chris Pelling:is that you michele ? :p

Michele Neylon:get lost

Michele Neylon::)

Chris Pelling:hehehe

Chris Pelling:I can hear terry from staff

Don Blumenthal:Apologies. Problems with dialing in.

Holly Raiche:I can hear you

Kathy:Hi All!

Michele Neylon:Holly - who is "you"? :)

Terri Agnew:Is ac working now?

Graeme Bunton:Dialed in

Holly Raiche:2Michele - So far, only Terri but I live in hope!

Graeme Bunton:oop. Got adobe working.

Kathy:Hooray for post-ICANN vacations :-)!

Michele Neylon:it's cos I wasn't there Don

Michele Neylon:admit it

Graeme Bunton:nearly miraculous.

Luc Seufer:finally a panel without the Irish man! woot woot woot

Terri Agnew:Kristina, I have you noted

Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:I can't hear anything but that might just be because there is nothing to hear yet . . . . .

Luc Seufer:are the pot ICANN vaction and Interpol rep. yelling somehow inked?

Luc Seufer:linked

Marika Konings:Welcome to Lindsay who is the new member.

Luc Seufer:good to hear

Marika Konings:@Lindsay - you should hear audio via your computer (through the ADobe Connect room)

Graeme Bunton:Lindsay - yep. Things are happenig. Maybe you need to connect your audio or try dialing in

Michele Neylon:Lindsay - you need to dial in

Marika Konings:if you are having issues, we can also dial out to you

Michele Neylon:afternoon by the way

Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Thanks Marika and Graeme.

Kathy:It was a good meeting - tx you, Don!

Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:I will try dialling in again

Kathy:Marika, Mary, could you provide the link to Category E, Q1 here in chat? Tx.

Marika Konings:@Kathy - we haven't circulated the template yet, but will do so shortly after the call.

Kathy:But isn't it on the agenda for today?

Terri Agnew:Paul McGrady has joined

Marika Konings:Yes, if we have time left. We'll walk through the information we've collected so people can think about what additional information may be needed for review prior to the next meeting.

steve metalitz:Agree we are making good progress.

Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined

Carlton:Howdy all

Terri Agnew:Carlton Samuels, I have you added to attendance

Carlton:Thks Terri

Terri Agnew:and Welcome

Kathy:It's good to do this very early - tx you!

Graeme Bunton:LA meeting is on Canadian thxgiving weekend, which might impact peoples plans.

Kathy:Agree with Steve; it's at least two nights of hotel rooms for those of us who normally come in on Sunday...

Volker Greimann:I think we should not discuss allocation of ICANN funds here

Chris Pelling:exactly

Chris Pelling:sorry this is WG for PP

Michele Neylon:can we discuss this via email?

Chris Pelling:come on guys, get back on track please

Chris Pelling:Steve, no objection at all, just can be better done via email

Michele Neylon:um

Michele Neylon:that was odd

Michele Neylon:music

Mary Wong:We'll send out the email confirming the infomation Marika has given. The idea here was to let everyone know of the planned F2F meeting for LA.

Michele Neylon:oooo

Michele Neylon:I see lots of IPv6

Michele Neylon:sorry - was fixing my desktop machine

Marika Konings:Please note that the different alternatives can be found on page 6, 7 and 8

Chris Pelling:Michele, Apple = hammer doesnt it ? :p

Michele Neylon:Chris - IPv6 using DHCP

Michele Neylon:didn't realise I had it switched off

Michele Neylon:who is panting?

Chris Pelling:Thnk its Don

Don Blumenthal:ON mute when I'm not talking.

steve metalitz:Crossing out DMCA language was NOT my suggestion, just clarifying that there is no standardized form today.

Carlton:I would be VERY cautious of using the DMCA form. At least one of them I see. Different objectives for one

Mary Wong:The USA's Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) contains a number of required criteria that must be included in a takedown notice, e.g., contact info, good faith declaration, signature, specification of objected-to content.

Mary Wong:This WG may consider specifyging the elements that must be in a form rather than designing the form itself, for instance.

Carlton:@Mary: Agreed. So fulsome adoption may not be optimal

Kristina Rosette:@Mary: It's my recollection that that (elements, not form) was the original idea.

Carlton:@Kristina: Good to know

Terri Agnew:Todd Williams has joined

Carlton:@Holly: In its consideration of purpose based contacts (PBCs), the EWG anticipated this and other WG might recommend a triage to determine timing etc for each contact.

Carlton:type

Bladel:+1 Don.

Stephanie Perrin:Don't we need to focus in on the allegation, and the form of the allegation? Much easier than identifying types of alleged malicious content.

Luc Seufer:@Stephanie agreed

Kathy:To Holly's point, and mine: can we create a new question or time to evaluate the requestor and any history known of the requestor?

Carlton:@Steph: Precisely. Focusing on allegation and the form is the starting type. The idea is that a risk profile would determine what the recommendation for response,. Action also has other determinants.

Don Blumenthal:Michele, fair enough. I was talking at a basic level. Jurisdiction clearly factors in.

Carlton:@Michele: +1. Jurisdiction is just one other determinant.

Marika Konings:Please note that this question relates specifically to a contact point provided by the P/P - questions in relation to relay and what action need to be taken will come up under the next categeories of questions.

Kathy:Sorry Stephanie, can't hear you....

Carlton:I think we lost her

Don Blumenthal:Stephanie, we lost you

Luc Seufer:And this is without mentioning the difference of alphabet. In the past we receive what we believe was Russian court documents, we weren't able to even reply.

Michele Neylon:Luc - we have russian speakers on staff

Terri Agnew:Stephanie, Ihave private chatted you

Luc Seufer:okay, Chinese then

Volker Greimann:non-LEA has no overall generic "right" to someones private data

Michele Neylon:Volker +1

Holly Raiche:@ Wolker- I think that was the point I was trying to make

Carlton:@Kathy: Good qustion. Who and what must be elements for questioning. I would wish to see list of itmes on any form. We must have a triage operation

Holly Raiche:Sorry - Volker

Chris Pelling:Volker +1

steve metalitz:It is not correct that copyright ifnfringement is not subject to independent verification.

Carlton:..and now that Michele mentioned it, I can recall the arguments we had over how to respond to issues surrounding local marks.

Kathy:@Steve: but copyright infringement vs. fair use and legitimate critique is normally subject to court review...

Carlton:TMCH remains mute on this..and we know it will come from bitter experience

Kathy:Tx Michele!

Michele Neylon:I'd actually agree with Steve

Michele Neylon:please don't use this against me

Michele Neylon::)

Kathy:I think we are talking about new fields, including who the Requester is, what their status is, what their jurisdiction is,

Kathy:and why something is alleged as being illega.

Holly Raiche:@Kathy +1

Kathy:But Reveal is the key - especially for speech and content issues...

Stephanie Perrin:testing

Luc Seufer:How do you prove that you have relayed without disclosing the underlying details though?

Holly Raiche:Good question Luc

Kathy:Don - I think we have some new fields!

steve metalitz:Michele our secret agreement will be kept confidential.....

Mary Wong:We will send out an updated version of D-4

Michele Neylon:Steve - good

Holly Raiche:We promise not to tell on Steve and Michele

Volker Greimann:so now we know michele is for sale ;-)

Stephanie Perrin:sorry, for some reason I keep dropping, including on text

Michele Neylon:Volker - and you're not?

Carlton:Thanks all. Good discussion! We seem to be cooking now.

Michele Neylon:Carlton - you cook?

Luc Seufer:bye

Kathy:But what is the secret ingredient?

Mary Wong:Thanks everyone!

Chris Pelling:bye all

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