Zoom chat: 2019-05-29 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

15:34:37 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call taking place on Wednesday, 29 May 2019 at 13:00 UTC.
15:34:47 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/5x3wBQ
15:54:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Hi all
15:59:21 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome, All.
16:00:20 From Evan Leibovitch : hi all.
16:00:30 From Heidi Ullrich : Action Items will be taken here: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99622375/2019-05-29+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call
16:00:34 From Jonathan Zuck : Sure
16:02:38 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : just arrived
16:05:20 From Heidi Ullrich : His from last week: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99623993/Action+Items+2019-05-22+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call
16:06:40 From Heidi Ullrich : EPDP Phase II slides: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99622375/2019-05-29+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call?preview=/109484117/111379626/Phase%202%20Approach%20-%20updated%2022%20May%202019.pdf
16:09:07 From Bartlett.Morgan : Hi everyone
16:09:17 From Amrita Choudhury : Hi All
16:17:01 From Hadia : recomendation 1 purpose2 is the place holder
16:17:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes correct @Hadia
16:17:55 From Evan Leibovitch : haven forbid the Board actually have a backbone and not just rubber stamp what the GNSO feeds it
16:19:09 From Jonathan Zuck : @Evan, it’s not about backbone. The board’s job is to make sure the GNSO process was good, not to set policy
16:23:05 From Justine Chew : Is there a need to follow the work of the Implementation Review Team for Registration Data Policy Implementation?
16:23:50 From Evan Leibovitch : It's also the Board's job, according to the bylaws, to apply the advice it gets (from ACs) when considering its decisions. That of course assumes we have something useful to tell it.
16:23:55 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : +1 Jonathan: historicaly when the board "makes" policy, the community screams. The board is quite averse to making policy. That's exactly why we're in an ePDP situation.
16:24:03 From Alan Greenberg : It would only "disrupt" phase 2 if it takes time away from the phase 2 discussions to revisit anything.
16:25:22 From Jonathan Zuck : @Evin and @John, yes, I guess ideally, the result of that advice would be to push things back to the GNSO rather than to make an independent decision on policy
16:25:46 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : here we go, I was dropped from the call
16:25:51 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : <sigh>
16:26:01 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : apologies - may Jonathan please take over
16:28:21 From Holly Raiche : I don’t see the direct send user interest
16:28:41 From Bartlett.Morgan : hearing you
16:29:02 From Hadia : we here you good marita
16:29:34 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Re: Root Governance, we might consider sending a Statement that welcomes the new development of the Governance of the Root Server System? If it enhances stability?
16:29:36 From Hadia : *hear
16:31:24 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : but maybe this public comment period for RSSAC is too early in the work, as I note that it is early days
16:31:30 From Holly Raiche : @ OCL - a good suggestion
16:32:50 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : +1 MM
16:32:55 From Holly Raiche : good suggestion
16:35:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Traditionally ALAC has been careful to state that in terms of 'Representativeness' is that we *act in the best interest of Internet Users, rather than directly "represent" the billions...
16:35:28 From Jonathan Zuck : @Cheryl, I think that’s what we say here
16:35:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : not quite what I read
16:37:24 From Evan Leibovitch : The text reads: "At Large is charged with representing the interests of more than 4 billion end-users on the Internet"
16:38:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Representing is not necisarily the same as äcting in the best interests of
16:39:15 From Hadia : @cheryl, Totally agree acting is a good choice of words
16:41:02 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : +1 Cheryl - acting in the interests of the Internet end users. We definitely cannot REPRESENT their interests. Saying we represent their interests opens us to attack by people who will ask "how do you ask these 4bn users what they want?"
16:41:25 From Marita Moll : Okay, @ Cheryl -- better wording and I will fix it
16:41:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks @Marita
16:42:18 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : This is an important point as in past times I have had Board members complain about a. representing end users and b. mentioning the 4bn. I stand by the 4bn. I have difficulty standing by "representing" them.
16:44:48 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : I agree with Tijani we need a clear defination of MSM
16:45:34 From Justine Chew : 3 strikes and you're out?
16:45:58 From Evan Leibovitch : (actually, the ability to ask end users what they want is within our grasp, but ALAC has never cared to take that on. Might even be useful. But clearly there are other priorities....)
16:46:18 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : +1 Alan
16:46:31 From Sarah Kiden : Agree
16:46:31 From Jonathan Zuck : Makes sense
16:46:33 From Greg Shatan : +1 Alan
16:47:35 From Justine Chew : Thank you, Marita! :)
16:48:33 From Hadia : Thank you Marita
16:49:10 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you, Marita
16:49:24 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : i think the statement already says something like that
16:49:34 From Hadia : Sounds good holly
16:49:34 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : Thank you Maria and all the contributors
16:49:36 From Justine Chew : @Holly, isn't that already captured on the screen now?
16:50:24 From John Laprise (ALAC/NARALO) : +1 GS
16:50:39 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : i think the statement already says something like that @ Holly
16:50:47 From Yrjo Lansipuro : Re defining MSM: There is an authoritative definition in §34 of Tunis Agenda (WSIS 2005) but what it needs is operationalising.
16:51:01 From Holly Raiche : @ Justine - yes, but her comment suggested that maybe some of the detail might not make it. We need to keep at the least the challenges of participation in
16:51:02 From Jonathan Zuck : Academics are paid, etc. Complicated issue
16:51:37 From Jonathan Zuck : real issue is whether someone’s income is dependent on policy outcomes
16:51:43 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : hand up
16:52:05 From Holly Raiche : ™ GS agree
16:52:08 From Bartlett.Morgan : I like Jonathan's assessment of it
16:52:20 From Justine Chew : @Holly: okay, I thought it was already expressed but sure, you should insert text if you feell it is inadequately covered.
16:52:20 From Marita Moll : Yryo -- can you send me a link. May be good for a link
16:52:23 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : Yrjo, I don't think WSIS definition on MS could be employed to ICANN MS
16:52:56 From Yrjo Lansipuro : Yes, will send the link
16:53:29 From Marita Moll : Oh, maybe we can't use it after all but I would still like to see it
16:53:43 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : Not about time but about the position and the way it is advocate to the issues
16:54:04 From Justine Chew : +1 Alan. Why does a participant do what he/she does.
16:54:35 From Hadia : +1 Alan - what really matters if your position is in your intetrest
16:55:10 From Greg Shatan : I don’t think there’s a swampy aspect to the Contracted Parties and others who are gainfully employed and tasked to participate in ICANN.
16:56:30 From Greg Shatan : Undisclosed conflicts of interest is a swampier issue. Particularly where that conflict is financial and may not match up with your pre-money position on an issue.
16:56:34 From Heidi Ullrich : At-Large sessions during ICANN65: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99622754/ICANN65+-+Marrakech+Meeting+-+June+2019
16:57:19 From Holly Raiche : +1
16:57:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I will be joining another call shortly sory overlapping meetings *again* I will be in phone audio to this meeting
16:57:35 From Marita Moll : Sorry Greg, it was not meant that way. Just that it leads to providing all sorts of details, exclusions, explanations we don't want to get into -- a verbal swamp!
16:57:40 From Hadia : @ Greg sure no swamoy apsect there. They are participating in their capacity as contracted parties and they are paid to their job
16:58:10 From Greg Shatan : Avri, I fully agree.
16:58:23 From Heidi Ullrich : See: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99622375/2019-05-29+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call
16:58:45 From Yrjo Lansipuro : Link to the outcome document of WSIS II (“TunisAgenda”) https://www.itu.int/net/wsis/docs2/tunis/off/6rev1.pdf
16:58:53 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : I say it is a matter of time because someone whose job it is to follow these issues will have all of the working time in the world to follow them, whilst someone whose job is unrelated to the topic takes their valuable spare time in addition to their main job/activity. thus when there is an uptake in activity, complete volunteers with no vested interests will be under more strain that volunteers that have a vested interest.
16:59:00 From Justine Chew : @Maureen, I am in the midst of reading the reports on NomCom Review Implementation. Nothing is jumping at me at this point.
16:59:02 From Yrjo Lansipuro : Working definition of MSM is Article 34
16:59:19 From Marita Moll : Can I ask staff please to have the recording up as soon as possible so I can work on this during the weekend.
16:59:49 From Yesim Nazlar : @Marita: well noted
17:00:12 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Thank you for even looking at it Justine.
17:00:38 From Hadia : Thank you justine
17:01:07 From Jonathan Zuck : YAY, SLIDES!
17:01:55 From Holly Raiche : I’ve lost sound - is anyone talking?
17:02:01 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : yes, Justine is
17:02:03 From Jonathan Zuck : Justine is
17:02:34 From Marita Moll : I do have another appointment and have to leave. Bye and hanks for your support on the document.
17:05:33 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Bye Marita - and thanks for your section
17:06:30 From Hadia : In the end you point out the technical requirements and maybe point out references
17:06:42 From Jonathan Zuck : Hopefully the later time!
17:06:52 From Jonathan Zuck : yay!
17:07:15 From Sarah Kiden : AFRALO monthly call on 6 June
17:08:04 From Yesim Nazlar : Next Call: June, 5th at 19:00 UTC
17:08:17 From Hadia : Thank you all - bye
17:08:22 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Thanx!
17:08:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO3) : great ... bye for now then
17:08:25 From Amrita Choudhury : thanks
17:08:30 From Rudi Daniel : thanks all bye
17:08:30 From Jose R. Lebron : Bye
17:08:30 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you all
17:08:31 From Greg Shatan : Bye all!
17:08:33 From Gordon Chillcott : Thanks and bye for now.
17:08:33 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : Thanks bye
17:08:36 From Bartlett.Morgan : bye all
17:08:37 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : All
17:08:40 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : bye
17:09:01 From avri doria : thanks, bye