AC Chat: 2019-04-24 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

  Andrea Glandon: (4/24/2019 13:21) Welcome to the Consolidated Policy Working Group Call held on Wednesday, 24 April 2019 at 19:00 UTC.
  Andrea Glandon: (13:22) Wiki Agenda Page: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/5hPwBQ
  Evin Erdoğdu: (13:51) Hello all, welcome.
  haroun mahamat cherif: (13:52) hi
  haroun mahamat cherif: (13:52) ok
  jose.lebron: (13:53) hi
  George Kirikos: (13:56) Hi folks.
  judith Hellerstein: (13:58) Hi All from sunny Scottsdale
  Heidi Ullrich: (14:01) Welcome, All.
  Ricardo Holmquist: (14:02) good day tonall
  Ricardo Holmquist: (14:02) to all
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:02) hi all
  George Kirikos: (14:02) I'd encourage folks to read the public comments on the .ORG renewal, see: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-org-renewal-18mar19/2019q2/date.html Commenters are outraged over the proposal, with more than 100 comments submitted.
  George Kirikos: (14:02) There are 6 other older comments at: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-org-renewal-18mar19/2019q1/date.html
  Andrea Glandon: (14:05) :D
  Andrea Glandon: (14:05) Alan is an apology
  Alberto Soto: (14:05) Hello everyone!
  George Kirikos: (14:06) Maybe she got disconnected?
  Andrea Glandon: (14:07) We are re-dialing to Hadia to see if she can hear us
  George Kirikos: (14:07) Not much is happening, according to the mailing list archive, see: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-epdp-team/2019-April/date.html for the EPDP.
  avri doria: (14:07) he was ex-officio on the Board as GAC chair.
  Yrjö Länsipuro: (14:08) Janis chaired the WSIS II committee that handled internet governance matters
  judith Hellerstein: (14:10) I am pinging him to remind him of the call
  George Kirikos: (14:10) Greg is probably still in the RPM PDP sunrise team call, for 20 more minutes.
  Andrea Glandon: (14:10) Hadia is back on the phone now
  George Kirikos: (14:11) .org public comments showing outrage over fee increases: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-org-renewal-18mar19/2019q2/date.html
  Leon Sanchez: (14:13) My apologies for lateness
  Evin Erdoğdu: (14:13) Welcome Leon
  Leon Sanchez: (14:14) Thanks Evin!
  George Kirikos: (14:16) Read the comments by others, Sebastien, before you dismiss them all.
  George Kirikos: (14:18) Noisy?
  George Kirikos: (14:18) I couldn't hear it very well either.
  George Kirikos: (14:19) European Commission report mentioned.
  judith Hellerstein: (14:19) i have lost hadia
  judith Hellerstein: (14:19) i cannot hear her at all now
  Leon Sanchez: (14:19) I have no sound
  George Kirikos: (14:19) Very soft volume, had to put the phone next to my ear.
  Andrea Glandon: (14:19) One moment,
  George Kirikos: (14:20) Folks on audio bridge can hear, but not others, it seems.
  Andrea Glandon: (14:20) One moment while we reconnect the AC line
  Olga Cavalli 2: (14:20) cannot hear
  judith Hellerstein: (14:20) i am only on adobe and so cannot hear from adigo
  Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:20) Adobe Room has dropped from the call  - please bear with us while the bridge is re-established
  Marita Moll: (14:20) Lost audio
  Ejikeme Egbuogu: (14:20) no audio
  Andrea Glandon: (14:21) We are reconnecting the AC line, one moment
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:21) exactly
  George Kirikos: (14:21) Will the CPWG calls move to Zoom in the coming weeks?
  Holly Raiche: (14:21) @ Jonathan - from the chart on the screen it seems that there may be comments on the other three registries?
  Evan Leibovitch: (14:21) Won't have these problems once moving to Zoom 😉
  judith Hellerstein: (14:21) Is Maureen on the call as she has some comments on dot asia
  Andrea Glandon: (14:21) Maureen is not on the call
  Leon Sanchez: (14:21) audio back
  judith Hellerstein: (14:21) Yes we have sound
  Holly Raiche: (14:22) @ Judith - No, she's not
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:22) @Holly, we decided not to comment on the central issues of these agreements but instead use this as an opportunity to talk about raising fees so probably just one comment.
  Holly Raiche: (14:22) thanks Jonathan
  Carlton Samuels: (14:24) Howdy all
  Holly Raiche: (14:24) @ Hadia - what are the implilcations of that not being a purpose?
  judith Hellerstein: (14:25) @jonathan, Maureen raises the point of universal acceptance on dot asia and this comment could be added to all four public comments as well
  Carlton Samuels: (14:25) Can't hear much of what is being said. Neither on this A/C  nor Adigo bridge!
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:25) sure @Judith
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:26) bit less of an issue with these domains but no reason not, I suppose
  Carlton Samuels: (14:26) OCL is gone!
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:27) audio is very low volume
  judith Hellerstein: (14:27) Yes but the thought is it might put pressure on the other domains to push for universal acceptance
  Andrea Glandon: (14:27) I can hear Olivier on AC
  Andrea Glandon: (14:27) and the phone
  judith Hellerstein: (14:27) I can hear all
  Leon Sanchez: (14:27) I also have problems hearing Hadia
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:28) @Judith, not sure what that would mean. Asking .ORG to push for universal acceptance doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps I'm missing something.
  Andrea Glandon: (14:28) My apologies, Hadia is low and not able to join the AC right now
  Leon Sanchez: (14:28) loud and clear brother!
  avri doria: (14:28) I think Milton's mail centered on the issue of Legitimate Interests and how of course LEAs have means of demonstrating Legitimate Interest.
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:29) @Olivier, remember that Sebastien had something on this topic as well
  Evan Leibovitch: (14:30) +1 Jonathan. Dot asia needs to address UA because of its use of 8-bit character sets. Dot org doesn't have this issue.
  Andrea Glandon: (14:30) Holly we can hear you fine, it is an issue with Hadia's line
  judith Hellerstein: (14:31) yes but there are still many concerns with domains larger than 3 characters
  judith Hellerstein: (14:31) not necessarily a dot org issue per see but think this should be a concern for all others
  Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:31) thanks @Jonathan - I think it was about the ratification of the ALAC statement on EPDP
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:32) @Judith, I certainly agree that UA is a HUGE problem. I'm just not sure what we would like .ORG to do about it
  Holly Raiche: (14:32) I am also concerned that their advice doesw impact on our more fullesome position - maybe deal with this by email?
  Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:32) Thanks for the explanation @Avri about Milton's point
  judith Hellerstein: (14:32) @jonathan, I see your point
  Holly Raiche: (14:33) yes thanks Avri
  Holly Raiche: (14:35) thanks Carlton
  Carlton Samuels: (14:36) EDPB Guidance on contractual legal services is here https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__edpb.europa.eu_sites_edpb_files_consultation_edpb-5Fdraft-5Fguidelines-2Dart-5F6-2D1-2Db-2Dfinal-5Fpublic-5Fconsultation-5Fversion-5Fen.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=k7uKdjSb7_ZjItyVqrCYHo_rKms9SFxlmbYEJqG-y9I&m=NJ6hkKtOUG7Jm1OV-CFKv08SSNp4G3JC5SRfbBBOGh0&s=OeNwY8VLLhl2mGqfvRt1TC3gZydEC3llJFYeX-ezy8M&e=
  judith Hellerstein: (14:37) just lost olivier
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:38) can still hear him on the bridge
  George Kirikos: (14:38) US government wanted it all wrapped up by November 2019.
  Andrea Glandon: (14:38) One moment
  Carlton Samuels: (14:38) Aaah, Janis Karlins is Chair! Didn't know that.  He's at least a listener!
  Leon Sanchez: (14:38) I have no sound again
  Andrea Glandon: (14:38) we lost AC, reconnecting
  George Kirikos: (14:38) (i.e. around the time of the Montreal meeting) Not sure how realistic that is, given it's almost May now.
  Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:38) bridge has dropped again
  Holly Raiche: (14:39) The AC has covered itsself with glory lately
  Ricardo Holmquist: (14:39) h
  George Kirikos: (14:39) +1 !!
  judith Hellerstein: (14:39) perhaps it is adigo who is not playing nicely and not the AC
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:39)  yep...when do we switch to zoom
  Carlton Samuels: (14:39) This gremlin is irritating at best. ANd yes, from yesterday the frequency  of the drops was about every 20 mins!
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:39) Indeed. We're not going to miss it this way
  Ricardo Holmquist: (14:39) Ibguess is not AC is ADIGO
  Ricardo Holmquist: (14:40) and not sure if ICANN is working on it
  Alberto Soto: (14:40) Is AC... perhaps a bag...
  Carlton Samuels: (14:40) ..and only some drop.  Maybe since its VoIP technology something related...
  Andrea Glandon: (14:40) still trying to reconnect
  judith Hellerstein: (14:40) i doubt icann is working on this since they are moving over to zoom and also the ac provider is not interested in giving us service as well
  Ricardo Holmquist: (14:40) with AC we are not using the newest version
  Alberto Soto: (14:40) The phone channel are OK
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:40) back again it seems
  Leon Sanchez: (14:41) apparently back
  Leon Sanchez: (14:41) back again indeed
  judith Hellerstein: (14:41) Funny oliver
  Alberto Soto: (14:41) sorry, channels
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:41) 😋
  Holly Raiche: (14:42) Heer voice is really too soft - can we follow up on an email or Skype?
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:43) I think we need to go back to requiring a few slides for updates. Hard to follow a narrative this way.
  Carlton Samuels: (14:44) Cairo gets it tops!  The have traffic circles and everybody goes any damn way they please. Harrowing experience.  And I've been to Delhi 3 times!
  Greg Shatan: (14:44) Sorry to be late.  The Sunrise Subteam call goes until 19:30 and as co-chair I can’t really leave early.
  Holly Raiche: (14:44) @ JZ - couldn't agree more
  Marita Moll: (14:44) +1 @JZ
  judith Hellerstein: (14:45) Yes jonathan, I agree
  Hadia Elminiawi: (14:45) Hello all - so I am on the ac room now as well
  Carlton Samuels: (14:46) @Seb: Are you saying we have ALAC Advice advance with so many no votes?
  Tijani BEN JEMAA: (14:46) yes, plz let staff unmute me
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:46) we don't hear you Tijani
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:46) yes
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:46) yes
  Hadia Elminiawi: (14:46) yes Tijani
  Carlton Samuels: (14:47) @Tijani: In my view "Advice" should be unanimous!
  Marita Moll: (14:47) I agree with Tijani on that one. 66% is not a ringing endorsement
  Carlton Samuels: (14:47) ..and I am unanimous on that!
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:48) probably true
  Tijani BEN JEMAA: (14:49) I  agree
  Carlton Samuels: (14:49) Let the record show that I am unanimous that any advice from the ALAC to the ICANN Board must have unanimous endorsement. If the draft is not suitable then the mavens who take issue - and provided they understand the issue - should rewrite it.
  Carlton Samuels: (14:50) Or, say clearly whay the advice is hogwash!
  George Kirikos: (14:51) bland, inoffensive
  Holly Raiche: (14:51) tks george
  Sebastien: (14:51) ALAC is very often unanimous
  Sebastien: (14:52) not this time
  avri doria: (14:52) GAC advice is unanimous and it is rarely anodine. just saying.
  Sebastien: (14:52) It is why I raise this issue
  Holly Raiche: (14:52) Can we discuss this during an ALAC call and get on with policy
  Alberto Soto: (14:52) Anodyne: Which is insubstantial or lacks interest or importance
  Yrjö Länsipuro: (14:52) andine : not likely to cause offence or disagreement and somewhat dull.
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:53) thanks everyone. I just figured that was a word that some on the call might not know.
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:53) lack of objection like GAC?
  Tijani BEN JEMAA: (14:54) thank you Carlton
  Andrea Glandon: (14:55) @greg, can you move away from your mic a bit?  it is muffled for the interpreters
  judith Hellerstein: (14:56) it is fine
  Glenn McKnight: (14:57) Joined now.  working on the  ICANNATLARGE.BLOG.   setting up the  domain name etc
  Glenn McKnight: (14:58) Feedback on the mic but not bad, heard worse
  Glenn McKnight: (14:59) where is this document?
  judith Hellerstein: (15:00) It was sent via email
  Holly Raiche: (15:00) It is also on the screen
  judith Hellerstein: (15:01) I like this statement.
  Holly Raiche: (15:01) In summary - we do not object, but have conceerns to the extent that there should be some monitoring?
  judith Hellerstein: (15:02) Yes @holly I agree with you
  Holly Raiche: (15:03) @ Judith - that isn't my point of view- it is a summary of what Greg is saying
  George Kirikos: (15:04) Go read the 100+ comments, including from church members, etc.
  judith Hellerstein: (15:04) @holly yes but thought you were adding on to what Greg was saying
  Holly Raiche: (15:05) I thought the reason we focussed on .ORG was its public interest implications -
  George Kirikos: (15:05) Better to make no statement at all, than put forth that statement of support.
  George Kirikos: (15:05) Folks can obviously submit their individual comments.
  David Mackey: (15:05) For the record: I share George's concerns
  Glenn McKnight: (15:07) Due to my  ISOC position I am not prepared to comment either way on this statement
  judith Hellerstein: (15:07) @george that is a good idea. Feel free to submit your own comments.
  Evan Leibovitch: (15:13) From a strictly end user (not registrant) PoV, domains are grossly underpriced. I'd eliminate the cap immediately.
  David Mackey: (15:14) Broader conversation is a great idea. This issue will reappear in the future.
  Andrea Glandon: (15:15) Lost AC, will reconnect
  judith Hellerstein: (15:15) i think the bridge dropped
  Jonathan Zuck: (15:15) bridge stayed, AC dropped
  Evan Leibovitch: (15:15) That's our collective groundhog day...
  judith Hellerstein: (15:16) i have to drop off to go to another event
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (15:16) lost sound - ADIGO still acting up?
  Andrea Glandon: (15:16) We are reconnecting the AC line
  Alberto Soto: (15:16) Sorry, I have to retire from our meeting.Thanks! Bye Bye
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (15:17) audio?
  Andrea Glandon: (15:17) We are trying to reconnect
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (15:18) back
  Glenn McKnight: (15:18) The calls this week and last week have been tough
  David Mackey: (15:18) Need to balance good work done with money that comes from .org, increased costs to poorly funded non-profit groups, potential high market value on limited domain resources - not easy!
  Greg Shatan: (15:18) Time to go to ZOOM
  judith Hellerstein: (15:18) I do not think it is the AC but the conenction with adigo
  Evan Leibovitch: (15:19) Adobe knows we're switching. This is payback.
  Holly Raiche: (15:19) Payback big time
  Hadia Elminiawi: (15:19) :)
  judith Hellerstein: (15:19) it is not adobe, as we are with another provider who provides are adpbe services
  Marita Moll: (15:19) I am in agreement. There does not seem to be enough evidence to go one way or the other
  Glenn McKnight: (15:21) Jonathan if you want to hold another  ZOOM discussion on any topic let me know.  Me , Marita and Brian Cute did one this morning
  Glenn McKnight: (15:21) The blog post is available with a Amazon Polly audio transcription   https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__3.95.110.224_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=k7uKdjSb7_ZjItyVqrCYHo_rKms9SFxlmbYEJqG-y9I&m=NJ6hkKtOUG7Jm1OV-CFKv08SSNp4G3JC5SRfbBBOGh0&s=4BSBoQeoaxqi-F8vF0BKemFXArY5xwogGlqkWYiiNNk&e=
  Glenn McKnight: (15:22) Thanks to ISOC PR providing the ZOOM Pro room for us
  Sebastien: (15:23) 1.     Policy around Universal Acceptance and steps to be taken by TLD operators/registrars, software developers and hosting companies2.     DNS over HTTPS (DoH) – hot subject for many stakeholders: TLDs, users, governments, lawyers, ISPs, etc.3.     Nominating Committee Review4.     Evolution of ICANN Multi-stakeholder model of Governance5.     Hijacking / Account Take-Over / Attacks
  George Kirikos: (15:26) More registrars need to offer 2FA, and registry operators should make registry lock cheaper.
  George Kirikos: (15:26) One-click DNSSEC is needed, too (far too complex at the moment).
  Holly Raiche: (15:26) On DoH, that was discussed in Kobe - part of the emerging technologies- certainly of interest as it raises end user issues
  Marita Moll: (15:27) Multistakeholder discussion will be entering a phase 2 at Marrakesh. So, there's plenty of room for discussion
  Hadia Elminiawi: (15:28) yes we can hear you
  Holly Raiche: (15:28) Maaybe discuss on the next call?
  Holly Raiche: (15:29) Mayabe get the speaker back who explained both DoT and DoH really well
  Hadia Elminiawi: (15:30) +1 on including DoH
  Glenn McKnight: (15:30) see blog post about Brian Cute
  Glenn McKnight: (15:31) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__3.95.110.224_2019_04_24_multistakeholderism-2Dand-2Dicann_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=k7uKdjSb7_ZjItyVqrCYHo_rKms9SFxlmbYEJqG-y9I&m=NJ6hkKtOUG7Jm1OV-CFKv08SSNp4G3JC5SRfbBBOGh0&s=B5GWQIGbrSgkfJBIf4-vg_Ntnx8mHDiYsMHVm8n6WKM&e=
  Jonathan Zuck: (15:32) okay, we'll include in talking points
  Greg Shatan: (15:34) Sound?
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (15:34) dropped again
  Andrea Glandon: (15:34) We just lost AC
  Ricardo Holmquist: (15:34) time to say goodby
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (15:34) audio down
  Ricardo Holmquist: (15:34) have a great day
  Marita Moll: (15:34) This is crazy. Can't go on like this.
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (15:35) when do we start using zoom?
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (15:35) other meetings are
  Greg Shatan: (15:35) Indeed
  George Kirikos: (15:36) Maybe move it to the following week?
  George Kirikos: (15:36) +1
  Andrea Glandon: (15:36) Next meeting for 1 May is a holiday in many countries
  Andrea Glandon: (15:36) Audio is back
  Jonathan Zuck: (15:36) ok. we'll have to get some conversations going on the list
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (15:36) we missed Tijani
  Hadia Elminiawi: (15:36) Egypt also 1st of May is a holiday
  Greg Shatan: (15:36) Yes
  Marita Moll: (15:37) May 1 is out for me.
  Hadia Elminiawi: (15:37) but I am available
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (15:37) today is a National day bin Australia bfor the record
  Ejikeme Egbuogu: (15:37) may 1 workers far Nigeria
  Greg Shatan: (15:37) Given that it is not actually a holiday in the US, I suspect it will be closed elsewhere
  Greg Shatan: (15:37) where it is one.
  Ejikeme Egbuogu: (15:37) workers day
  George Kirikos: (15:38) Bye folks. Have a great week.
  Andrea Glandon: (15:38) 30 April 2019 21:00 UTC
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (15:38)  just send the iCal ASAP
  Carlton Samuels: (15:38) I'm dropping off now. Y'all take care
  Glenn McKnight: (15:38) thanks  bye all
  Ejikeme Egbuogu: (15:38) bye
  Hadia Elminiawi: (15:38) thank you all - bye
  David Mackey: (15:38) bye
  Gordon Chillcott: (15:38) Thanks and bye for  now.
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (15:38) bye for now
  Marita Moll: (15:38) Yes, bye all
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (15:38) take care all
  Evin Erdoğdu: (15:39) Thank you all!