Zoom chat: 2019-06-05 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

13:58:17 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : hi everyone!

13:58:17 From Kaili Kan : No

13:58:22 From Ricardo Holmquist : yes, i hear you

13:59:42 From silvia.vivanco : Hello all welcome

14:00:17 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Hola a todos.

14:00:36 From Ricardo Holmquist : hola Eduardo

14:02:08 From Sebastien Bachollet : Not good sound

14:04:01 From Jonathan Zuck : Back in black!

14:04:03 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : I am moving to adigo for a better sound.

14:07:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and I have a call overlapping for the last 30 mins so I will stay in phine audio only for the last section of the call.

14:07:34 From silvia.vivanco : EPDP phase 2: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99622439/2019-06-05+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call

14:08:21 From silvia.vivanco : https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99622439/2019-06-05+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call0May%202019.pdf

14:08:38 From silvia.vivanco : EPDP phase 2 doc in link above

14:09:31 From silvia.vivanco : AIs: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99728316/Action+Items+2019-05-29+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call

14:09:47 From Sebastien Bachollet : Do we will discuss the MSH « model » comments today?

14:09:50 From Nadira AlAraj : Justine did

14:10:29 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Justine did a lot of work on the NomCom Review questions. Still awaiting any additional comments

14:14:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : we usually don't comment on RZLGRs

14:14:14 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Evolving of the governance is not directly user concern

14:14:29 From silvia.vivanco : 2019 ALAC Policy Comments & Advice: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102661079/2019+ALAC+Policy+Comments+Advice

14:14:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : However the Evolution one MAY be worthy of comment

14:14:45 From silvia.vivanco : The comments are posted in the wiki above as well

14:15:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : we did review the background to it and all the changes in a F2F meeting

14:15:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : John covered it with us if memeory serves

14:15:45 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : I wish Alan was here because he is a supporter of the Root Server System and that we should also be supporting this particular PC

14:16:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes in several interactions John waxed lyrical

14:16:44 From silvia.vivanco : https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102662141/At-Large+Workspace+Evolving+the+Governance+of+the+Root+Server+System

14:16:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I support a comment on that

14:18:01 From silvia.vivanco : On the comment "Evolving the Governance of the Root Server System" : Bastiaan volunteered to read the comment and drat an outline for review by the WG.

14:18:01 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : So the comment will be only to support what they are proposing?

14:18:34 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : What they are proposing will add cost to ICANN

14:18:37 From silvia.vivanco : I have noted the AI for Bastiaan, thank you for volunterring

14:18:47 From silvia.vivanco : volunteering

14:18:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I would think so Ed it is a totally new Governancemodel

14:18:52 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : I think that we should embrace and give encouragement politically to the new governance structure of the Root Server System

14:19:41 From Jonathan Zuck : Let’s at least be supportive and try to find an end user perspective

14:19:59 From christopher wilkinson : Need to understand clearly how the Root Server System will accommodate IDN TLDs in the future. Many countries are still uneasy with the geographical concentration of Root servers.

14:20:44 From Holly Raiche : @ Christopher - certainly IDNs are part of what we care about

14:21:10 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : +1 Jonathan however, It is mostly governance what they are suggesting I do not what is the end user perspective there

14:21:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : But as Ed asked were we likely to support I wanted to remind you all how we supported it at the time

14:21:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it would cost MUCH more to NOT have the integrated and SECURE model

14:22:06 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Exactly OCL

14:22:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : this is a Revolution not just an Evolution!

14:22:56 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : By the way, I am not implying that ICANN should not pay the bill. I think what they are proposing is VERY important.

14:23:18 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : what geographic concentration? They are so spread throughout the world! https://root-servers.org/ -- 985 instances of them

14:23:30 From Bastiaan Goslings : next call? deadline is 9th of August…

14:23:32 From Bastiaan Goslings : ;-)

14:23:48 From Bastiaan Goslings : sure thing I’ll do my best do come up with ideas

14:23:59 From Jonathan Zuck : Okay, doesn’t need to be the next call

14:24:43 From silvia.vivanco : At-Large Workspace: Evolving ICANN’s Multistakeholder Model: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102661995/At-Large+Workspace+Evolving+ICANN+s+Multistakeholder+Model

14:25:58 From Alan Greenberg : Sorry to have been detained.

14:26:23 From Michelle DeSmyter : Welcome Alan

14:26:28 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : NomCom Review recommendations

14:26:30 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : @Alan :: by the police?

14:26:44 From Michelle DeSmyter to Kaili Kan (Privately) : We will try again, the operator has been trying and no answer

14:27:44 From Alan Greenberg : @Ed, no not this time! ;-)

14:28:33 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : @Alan: we've moved Agenda Item 3 back

14:29:34 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Leaving zoom but will be hearing the conversation thru adigo

14:33:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Agreed @Marita

14:34:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : just white noise

14:34:34 From Jonathan Zuck : There’s “pissing in the wind…”

14:35:10 From Marita Moll : Right -- I knew I was getting into trouble there!!

14:35:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : THere is not too much out of the box in this paper the themes are there approporiatlt enough for this stage of the process

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1asb5lFc6XXy3FSI1h9fSerRB3fqz0AamKepiAIebB5A/edit#

14:38:09 From Jonathan Zuck : Oh yeah THOSE folks!

14:38:27 From Holly Raiche : I think that is why we will be having the early meeting in Marrakech - to make sure policy discussions are covered\

14:38:39 From Jonathan Zuck : indeed @Holly

14:41:45 From christopher wilkinson : Have to leave the call now. Thankyou, all. CW

14:43:33 From Jonathan Zuck : sounds good. I’ll take a look

14:45:20 From Ricardo Holmquist : just in an email

14:45:28 From Ricardo Holmquist : from Hadia

14:46:06 From Holly Raiche : What is the issue?

14:46:26 From Holly Raiche : Talk about them now please

14:46:35 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : deadline is 21st June

14:47:13 From Ricardo Holmquist : we have to suggest/comment mostly on accreditations to access the data

14:47:40 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Hadia's email to the mailing list: https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/gtld-wg/2019q2/003097.html

14:53:52 From Jonathan Zuck : The whole debate about this is ridiculous!

14:54:41 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : completely ridiculous

14:56:17 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Other NCSG & also Registrars are agreeing with Milton thus he is not alone and this is already an early setting of the scene

14:59:06 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Yes --- I was wondering if there are some people just playing the time game

14:59:32 From Greg Shatan : There is definitely foot-dragging going on in the EPDP, protests about scheduling, time frames, etc.

14:59:40 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster

15:00:06 From Greg Shatan : We need to support Janis, not go around him.

15:01:42 From silvia.vivanco : AI: Olivier and Jonathan to discuss next steps on the : Process Proposal for Streamlining Organizational Reviews.

Staff to check on past comments on this topic and add them to the page for reference.

15:03:22 From Holly Raiche : Is that document posted anywhere?

15:03:55 From Michelle DeSmyter : Posted on wiki page as well: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/Jx7wBQ

15:04:22 From Holly Raiche : Thanks Jonathan for preparing it - it will be heldpful

15:04:32 From Ricardo Holmquist : the prior one was very concise and short. this one seems very complete, but very long

15:04:49 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : talkng points document is on https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/download/attachments/99622321/ICANN65TP01%20%20-%20%20Jonathan%20.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1558553937000&api=v2

15:06:40 From Bastiaan Goslings : ‘Other NCSG & also Registrars are agreeing with Milton thus he is not alone and this is already an early setting of the scene’: when it comes to using terminology, in this case being in line with the GDPR, I agree with MM and the registrars

15:07:46 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : ALAC positions Document on: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/download/attachments/99622439/ALAC%20Position%20for%20ICANN65%5B1%5D.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1559757055480&api=v2

15:08:32 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Its got my support for more collaboration with the GAC

15:09:29 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Agree.. GAC is an important ally within ICANN

15:10:30 From Jonathan Zuck : excellent idea Marita

15:10:30 From Holly Raiche : Maybe this can be part ofour early policy discusson meeting?

15:10:48 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes @Holly, we’ll get it in there

15:11:42 From Kaili Kan to Michelle DeSmyter (Privately) : Now my computer has the sound. I do not need the dial-out anymore. Thanks!

15:12:19 From Jonathan Zuck : for SURE! We need to only work on consensus positions.

15:12:40 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : We are rather split on WT5

15:13:15 From Marita Moll : You put it much better than I did Greg

15:13:16 From Jonathan Zuck : Good point

15:13:51 From Marita Moll : We do need to talk among ourselves, but we can also look for alliances/similarities.

15:14:05 From Jonathan Zuck : so far, we are

15:14:14 From Greg Shatan : For example, I personally am not aligned with Jorge Cancio’s positions....

15:15:59 From Marita Moll : + 1 -- we need to find a way to move forward and there may be common ground

15:16:06 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1asb5lFc6XXy3FSI1h9fSerRB3fqz0AamKepiAIebB5A/edit#

15:16:35 From Greg Shatan : We could try to caucus among ourselves on WT5....

15:17:24 From Glenn : Eduardo and I worked on some comments. not sure if he submitted them i will check

15:18:26 From Marita Moll : @Greg -- there are areas where we are in agreement and others where we differ. We also might need to compromise a bit amongst ourselves

15:24:00 From Greg Shatan : @Marita, if we can find compromises, we may be able to model a compromise for the larger group....

15:25:02 From Holly Raiche : Agree with Marita. This is definately second best to Adobe

15:25:06 From Ricardo Holmquist : Marita we have a Technical Task Force, and some of this was treated there since a long time ago

15:25:13 From Jonathan Zuck : Well, perhaps our dedicated policy session in Morocco should be devoted to geo names. It’s later in the week but perhaps we need to find our own position.

15:25:38 From Yrjo Lansipuro : The Zoom audio is much better than Adobe Connect audio

15:25:57 From Jonathan Zuck : That’s true, @Yrjo

15:26:03 From Ricardo Holmquist : TTF is an At-Large group open to anybody

15:26:19 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : Do we have a link for the agenda of policy session training during Marrakech

15:26:35 From Bastiaan Goslings : @Yrjo: I agree

15:26:52 From Holly Raiche : I"ll help Marita on the letter

15:27:01 From Jonathan Zuck : Right now the only dedicated At-large policy session is on alternative DNS transport which might not be as timely as this so I’m thinking we should switch

15:27:21 From Greg Shatan : David Conrad....

15:28:48 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : Thanks noted

15:29:27 From Holly Raiche : There was information, but actually using zoom makes clear what the issues are

15:29:42 From avri doria : i think there is lots of lattitude for getting things fixed if they needs can be described.

15:29:54 From Jonathan Zuck : And audio!

15:29:57 From avri doria : ... the needs ...

15:30:19 From Jonathan Zuck : agree @Avri, I think the dashboard thing is fixable

15:30:50 From Holly Raiche : Happy to add my issues

15:31:11 From silvia.vivanco : Marita to raise zoom concerns for TTF

15:31:13 From Jonathan Zuck : yes. Marita. That’s a great idea. Not sure it’s a CPWG issue as much as TTF and on the list. Let’s get a wish list together

15:31:15 From silvia.vivanco : As AI

15:31:49 From Alan Greenberg : I have to leave. Bye all

15:32:54 From Holly Raiche : Could he write up a summary of the points - sounds really interesting

15:33:55 From Michelle DeSmyter : yes

15:34:25 From silvia.vivanco : Tuesday 11 June at 20:00UTC

15:34:27 From Jonathan Zuck : Let’s do it. There might be some conflicts but let’s do our best

15:34:28 From silvia.vivanco : Next call

15:34:30 From silvia.vivanco : noted

15:34:47 From avri doria : bye all

15:34:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr (PDP Co Chair) : bye

15:34:56 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Thanks all bye

15:34:56 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : byeeeee

15:34:58 From Harold Arcos : thanks,, bye all

15:34:58 From silvia.vivanco : Thank youall

15:35:01 From Kaili Kan : Bye1

15:35:03 From silvia.vivanco : AIs wil be posted