Zoom chat: 2023-09-20 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)
- Michelle DeSmyter
- Aleksey Khapchenko
00:21:23 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
00:24:11 Gopal Tadepalli: Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
00:25:41 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
00:26:27 Jonathan Zuck: Carpet on the table?!
00:26:45 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Action Items: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=99695175
00:31:59 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: rules 'out of scope' is rules out of scope... but it does not take the issue out of circulation for other exchanges
00:33:00 Jonathan Zuck: Larry, Curly and MO
00:33:22 Justine Chew: Replying to "Larry, Curly and MO"
Who is who? ;)
00:34:11 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Reacted to "Who is who? ;)" with
00:38:37 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Seems like a plan to explore with the GAC @JZ
00:39:03 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: Historically the situation of the GNSO Council not agreeing with something the GNSO Chair said has happened in the past
00:39:22 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: yup
00:39:50 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: politics in the GNSO make it a tricky minefield for the Chair. Some in the GNSO think of the Chair as nothing more than an usher :-)
00:39:59 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
00:40:14 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: +++ Alan it's 'exercise' the AC role time
00:40:28 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: ...ushering the debates forward but with no power of speaking on behalf of the GNSO Council
00:40:44 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: and then there's the "the GNSO Council is not the GNSO" :-)
00:41:44 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Keep it Simple is the key in such advice IMO
00:43:13 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: A kind reminder to please speak slowly and clearly for our interpreters and to please speak one at a time, thank you so much.
00:43:36 Jonathan Zuck:
00:44:25 Jonathan Zuck: LiveX
00:44:41 Justine Chew: Not me!
00:45:00 Greg Shatan: Reacted to "LiveX" with
00:45:22 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: The GGP is out of our hands now and off for ALAC endorsement
00:45:27 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: The vote on the GGP Initial Report ALAC input will start today.
00:45:37 Greg Shatan: Sorry I need to step away for another meeting. I will try to return.
00:45:48 Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org: Reacted to "Sorry I need to step..." with
00:45:57 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Reacted to "The vote on the GGP ..." with
00:45:59 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: The narrower screen threw me off because on my screen the last item on the list is not the Applicant Support but the SubPro
00:50:57 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Note the Auction topic 35
00:56:09 Sivasubramanian M: Replying to "and then there's the..."
@Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond GNSO council is not GNSO ????
00:56:31 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Replying to "and then there's the..."
nope it is not the GNSO is the Constituencies
00:57:11 Sivasubramanian M: Replying to "and then there's the..."
@CHERYL, still unclear to me
00:57:15 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thx Justine
00:58:09 betty FAUSTA: i chat with Michelle. With an another number. tk you
00:58:49 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: We do not have Joanna
00:59:20 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: they may not be up to speed on it all that's my concern
00:59:30 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: Replying to "and then there's the..."
GNSO is the group of Constituencies, each having its own Chair. Council is the group of people selected by the constituencies/stakeholder groups.
00:59:48 Carlton SAMUELS: II've been in this ASP vineyard for a long time folks. Here's the thing, the decision for Applicant Support will always be political. SMEs are supernumerary for that work. To the matter of limiting the financial exposure, last time they said $2M tops. If the Board is going to be straightforward all they have to say is we will only give $XM to this effort. Let's shut this door and move on.
00:59:52 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: OK so we need to keep our powder dry on that then?
01:01:56 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Already Thur here :-)
01:02:14 betty FAUSTA: Carlton, every decisions are politics!
01:02:45 Vanda Scartezini - Brazil: thanks Dear Justine, wonderful and clear as always!
01:02:53 Laura Margolis: Reacted to "thanks Dear Justine,..." with
01:03:00 Laura Margolis: +1 Thank you Justine!
01:03:06 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Reacted to "thanks Dear Justine,..." with
01:04:00 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: The RPM Public Comment closes on 3 October, so it will be a tight turnaround.
01:04:35 betty FAUSTA: merci/ thanks Justine
01:05:19 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Noted and we will update today.
01:05:23 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Staff have the link
01:05:30 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: They DO know where I live
01:05:39 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: if they need the links ;-)'
01:06:15 Justine Chew: Apologies. Given the lateness and in an attempt to keep to time, I forgot to mention that I have been approached by a few NCSG folks to explore the possibility of aligning their proposal and the ALAC's proposal on how to revise Rec 17.2 on expanding the scope of applicant support beyond just application fee reduction. They are planning to run a discussion at ICANN78 and we're invited to participate.
01:07:48 Jonathan Zuck:
01:07:54 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Nice and simple :-)
01:08:41 Carlton SAMUELS: @Betty If the board believes ASP is a positive and deserving support but they are concerned about making an open-ended financial commitment, the logical answer is to declare a limit to their interest with a hard figure. We know what was spent in 2012. Put a finger to the wind and pick a number they can live with now. The end.
01:09:06 Greg Shatan: I am back.
01:09:43 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: this then reflects the work done on the Framework of Interpretation for RFC1591 :-)
01:10:03 Michael Palage: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KHhJdGqFcj5uXIf-8m-cf3aVR5xSCKJYdd0jSwFJzq0/edit
01:10:40 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: The link to the Pilot Holistic Review TOR webinar of 21 August 2023 has been added to the agenda. It was previously sent to the CPWG mailing list.
01:10:41 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I'm happy
01:10:44 Justine Chew: I see a spelling error :)
01:10:47 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes we hear
01:11:09 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: well some are not errors in AU
01:11:19 Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org: Replying to "I see a spelling err..."
fixed
01:12:35 mmoll: Replying to "I see a spelling err..."
Looks good. Short and sweet
01:12:53 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Should be good to go on IMO
01:13:13 Justine Chew: When does it need to go to the vote?
01:13:25 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Ideally, the ALAC vote on this input would launch today.
01:14:01 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: The deadline to submit is 28 September and we set the vote for 20-26 September to submit on the 28th.
01:14:08 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Will that schedule still work?
01:14:40 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: get the ALAC to vote on the to docs at the same time
01:14:53 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: surely they can manage that!
01:16:01 Bill Jouris: Replying to "surely they can mana..."
Need an emoji of me falling into a dead faint
01:17:44 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Replying to "surely they can mana..."
01:18:21 Justine Chew: When is the comment due?
01:19:15 mmoll: Is this going to affect end users?
01:19:36 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Unsure we need to work on it
01:19:40 Steinar Grøtterød: Replying to "Is this going to aff..."
Hardly
01:19:40 Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org: Yes, due 03 October
01:19:56 Jonathan Zuck: Yes, Default is no. Less is more. We should always be looking for a unique contribution
01:20:05 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Reacted to "Yes, Default is no. ..." with
01:20:08 Justine Chew: We submitted input on Phase 1 RPM recommendations but didn't participate in the IRT.
01:20:30 Jonathan Zuck: Turn the Michael Palages?
01:20:41 Jonathan Zuck: Seems fine.
01:21:16 Laura Margolis: :)
01:21:30 Justine Chew: @OCL, an understatement :)
01:21:43 Michael Palage: Thx Alan and Cheryl
01:22:45 Justine Chew: @CLO, I thought he was going to say a full century
01:23:01 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Just feels like it to some ofus...
01:24:32 betty FAUSTA: what that mean ofus ?
01:24:43 Justine Chew: Replying to "Just feels like it t..."
of us
01:24:56 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Replying to "Just feels like it t..."
Yes my inability to type
01:25:19 Bill Jouris: Replying to "Just feels like it t..."
Clearly past time for yo to "space out"
01:25:38 betty FAUSTA: thank you Justine
01:26:31 betty FAUSTA: i was .. wiw i don't find this work / acronym on Google. .. waouh. .. don't worry Cherryl, we are human
01:26:42 betty FAUSTA: wow
01:26:49 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: The problem with DNS Abuse is that it is a moving target. The DNS Abuse from 2015 or so isn't quite the same as the current model. CPHs will always push back when it comes to DNS Abuse because domain names are commoditized. They will deal with obviously illegal DNS Abuse issues but the lack of a solid, universal definition is a problem.
01:28:28 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: Yep. A threshold would require monitoring. That's the problem for ICANN in that it doesn't really have the real-time infrastructure for that.
01:28:34 Justine Chew: And we also raised the missing "threshold" element in the recent round of ICANN org-CPH contract negotiations
01:28:53 Steinar Grøtterød: No threshold - want make any sense
01:28:54 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: yes it got flooded with noise
01:29:57 Carlton SAMUELS: @Justine, we thought the threshold would relieve Compliance of being accused of targeting registrars/registries. Hard figure, measurable etc.
01:29:58 Justine Chew: INFERMAL
01:30:12 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: informal or infernal?
01:30:16 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: certainly worth a timely revisit (the when is the issue)
01:31:13 Justine Chew: Replying to "@Justine, we thought..."
Uh huh.
01:31:19 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: Any proposals or arguments would be stronger with data. The INFERMAL report would help.
01:31:42 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: indeed @John McCormac - HosterStats.com
01:32:42 Carlton SAMUELS: @CLO. Yes, John's work was referred many times in the CCT discussions. Grateful to John myself.
01:32:42 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Cheryl Coming up with a definition is one thing. Quantifying the problem is still going to be a problem.
01:33:23 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: As is often the case of course
01:34:09 Seb Bachollet: Hopefully we will see the end of the tunnel ;)
01:37:41 Gopal Tadepalli: Replying to "@CW There's a lot of..."
Celebrating 18 years of AFRINIC at: https://afrinic.net/celebrating-18-years-of-afrinic
01:38:37 Gopal Tadepalli: Replying to "@CW There's a lot of..."
Letter to ICANN – Proposal to Re-engage the AFRINIC Community at: https://www.nro.net/letter-to-icann-proposal-to-re-engage-the-afrinic-community/
01:39:04 Jonathan Zuck: More parties!
01:39:13 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: The CCT was effectively working without data on the DNS Abuse issue. That may have been one of the problems with getting some propsals accepted. The scary thing in the way some of it evolved is that one gTLD peaked around 2 million regs and five years later only 2K were still in the zone. Not all of the regs were for DNS Abuse though. Most were for PPC/adult/gambling landing pages.
01:39:26 Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org: Reacted to "More parties!" with
01:39:58 Jonathan Zuck: Definitely, MOSTLY looking forward
01:40:13 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: We can perhaps show a slide of the public comments responses submitted YTD. Those will be impressive numbers.
01:40:45 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Replying to "We can perhaps show ..."
something simple should do Heidi
01:41:12 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Reacted to "something simple sho..." with
01:41:29 Jonathan Zuck: Same audience but, in this case, they might be armed with Tomatoes!
01:41:41 Jonathan Zuck: +1 on ALAC members
01:42:22 Justine Chew: Knowing my luck, I'm likely going to be conflicted out of that session. Sigh.
01:42:54 Jonathan Zuck: We'll save a tomato for you, @Justine Chew
01:44:09 mmoll: Just harvesting tomatoes here, so can certainly bring some
01:44:37 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: Reacted to "We can perhaps show ..." with
01:45:02 Justine Chew: What's happened to the SSAC "DNS Abuse Roadmap" thingy?
01:46:04 Jonathan Zuck: 7.5 hours ago
01:48:39 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: DOn't need much more than that I agree
01:49:17 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: we alwas use that term here in the antipodes
01:50:06 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Time check REALLY need to wrap this soon!!!
01:50:28 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Board questions are out...
01:51:01 Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99680848/At-Large+Questions+for+ICANN78
01:51:02 Jonathan Zuck: I was part of a photography exhibit with another photographer called Antipodes. His shots from the North, mine from Antartica
01:51:13 Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org: Board questions to the ALAC
01:51:25 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Replying to "I was part of a phot..."
Nice!
01:51:30 Justine Chew: For the GAC question no. 2, my suggestion would be to identify specific areas out of SubPro rather than keep it general.
01:51:49 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: That would be a good Agenda item for that call
01:52:13 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: :-)
01:52:17 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Noted, Avri.
01:52:51 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Is it next week already?
01:53:04 Alan Greenberg: I thought that the question was whether we should meet in countries with poor human rights issues. Which rules out all countries!
01:53:14 avri doria: but yeah, a similar track as the IGF issue
01:53:25 Jonathan Zuck: Reacted to "but yeah, a similar ..." with
01:53:31 Judith Hellerstein: Reacted to "but yeah, a similar …" with
01:54:28 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Bye for now then...
01:54:44 Hervé Hounzandji | ISOC BENIN: thanks all and bye.
01:54:45 Judith Hellerstein: Bye for now
01:54:51 Justine Chew: Thank you! Time to sleep :)
01:54:56 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: Thanks and later all.
01:55:17 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Thank you, all. Good bye.
01:55:29 Greg Shatan: Bye!
01:55:32 Vanda Scartezini - Brazil: nice week to all