Zoom chat: 2024-06-05 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)
- Michelle DeSmyter
- Aleksey Khapchenko
08:57:36 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
08:57:46 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
It’s causing a bit of a warble but it’s not a big deal.
08:58:28 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Afternoon, morning, evening all. The final version of the African DNS Market Study has been published.
09:00:34 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Link for the final version: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/africa-domain-name-industry-study-28may24-en.pdf
09:00:37 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
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Can we ask you to summarize on the call?
09:01:38 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
Hello all
09:02:15 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
09:02:32 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
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Still going through most of it. The gTLD footprint for Africa is still a very complex problem to solve. (Lack of reliable registrant data due to the GDPR issue.)
09:03:10 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
Good day
09:03:30 From Bikram Shrestha to Everyone:
09:03:32 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome, All.
09:03:57 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
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09:08:27 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
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09:09:02 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Yep, that was a high bar “can’t live with” and I certainly didn’t see anything that fit in that category.
09:10:29 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
Works for me
09:10:47 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
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09:13:04 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
THAT’S what I meant by a “high bar,” not that it was unreasonable to ask.
09:19:57 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
We choose to simply treat everything as the representative model.
09:20:42 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
THAT’S gonna be a party
09:21:30 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
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09:22:21 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
Is the RDRS moving away to be a tiered system @Alan Greenberg
09:23:26 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
The ccTLDs are having some success making that distinction.
09:24:12 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Data accuracy is an aspiration for WHOIS data from gTLDs. The ccTLD registries are often in control of all the data whereas the distributed data for gTLD registrars means that the registry doesn't have full access.
09:24:17 From avri doria to Everyone:
Without figuring out legal, v natural, the problem remains intractably large and complex.
09:24:45 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Legal versus natural is a much smaller probem by comparison.
09:25:19 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Might be a 3rd party system
09:26:29 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
There's also the NIS2 problem where the European Commission suddenly realise that they need access to the WHOIS data.
09:26:42 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
That distinction would be invaluable in building far greater trust in the webspaces.
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09:28:15 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
In needs a centralized approach or otherwise it will degenerate into a Tower of Babel situation.
09:28:36 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
+1 Alan I think this is the way forward
09:28:47 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John McCormac - HosterStats.com Europe is right. Hope Europe becomes more insistent on relatively general whois, and it's access and accuracy
09:29:39 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
We should look at what is happening now in relation to NIS2 and how this can in pact all CPs
09:29:47 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
The European Commission is technologically challenged on this issue. Many European ccTLD registries went dark on WHOIS data years ago.
09:30:06 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
All CPs - new PDP in light of NIS2
09:30:43 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
It’s now RDAP
09:30:47 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
We have to remember the sunset of WHOIS for gTLDs in 2025
09:31:23 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Many other governments are challenged on more fundamental aspects of abuse.
09:31:42 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Steinar Grøtterød I think that decision should be reconsidered.
09:32:28 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
That was @John McCormac - HosterStats.com on his Europe cctld comment
09:33:03 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
One of the unintended effects of the disappearnace of WHOIS is that the ICANN MEAC study is probably pointless at this stage.
09:33:05 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
ICANN's whois records all show: Registrant Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
09:33:16 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
I am really surprised.
09:33:19 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
@Alan Greenberg noted
09:33:41 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Sivasubramanian M The gTLD and ccTLD WHOIS services and data varies considerably.
09:35:29 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
When it comes to NIS2 and WHOIS, it is like the European Commission is still searching for the "any key".
09:35:34 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Registratrant's name, with rare exceptions, shouldn't be masked, shouldn't be the name of the lawfirm or webservices provider
09:36:53 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
For ICANN.org, the registrant name is not redacted, just the contact details.
09:37:14 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
It is far worse than that, Siva. Lots of records are completely redacted or contain intentionally false data.
09:38:38 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John McCormac - HosterStats.com that is what we need to address. Have coffee with ssac once in a while?
09:39:22 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Too busy trying to make sense of WHOIS and domain names by country for that, Siva.
09:39:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Sorry @Avri I was literally making an intervention in the other call while yu were presenting IRT - your all good :-)
09:40:15 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
I've got the gTLD domain names hosted by country of webhoster down to 1.63% unassociated at the moment.
09:40:49 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
09:41:40 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Registration Lookup does not show much anymore - https://lookup.icann.org/en/lookup
09:41:45 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John McCormac - HosterStats.com don't understand what you are referring to, nor the statistics
09:42:40 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
Thanks, Avri!
09:42:54 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Thanks @Greg Shatan
09:43:18 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Sivasubramanian M Taking all the gTLD domain names by nameservers and registrars, mapping them to thei country of their hosters. WHOIS data is often unreliable or intentionally false on some nameserver domain names.
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09:44:55 From Andrew Chen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
The blog the Avri is referencing: https://www.icann.org/en/blogs/details/board-discusses-auctions-of-last-resort-private-resolution-of-contention-sets-03-06-2024-en
09:45:09 From Andrew Chen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
that*
09:45:25 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
For May 2024, that was 3,562,583 domain names out of 220,276,801 gTLD domain names not associated with a country.
09:46:21 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
In India, not only whois, but the webspace and content of small to medium business firms map to intermediaries who squat on names and trap businesses.
09:47:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Good point @Alan Greenberg
09:48:23 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Firesales were more common with the 2012 round.
09:48:54 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
I don’t have any great examples of JVs either.
09:49:55 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
This is also a search related issue which Google doesn't seem to understand . Google doesn't understand search.
09:50:07 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
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@Sivasubramanian M with so many connected globally on the internet, I think this approach is no more attractive enough. One has to go a few levels above at the moment to squat on things !! Your thoughts.. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University
09:50:25 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Thinking outside the box, the format for JVs would be more like backend providers facilitating a registry in a box service.
09:51:50 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
and more! With AI there are other opportunities too that could generate JVs
09:55:14 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
AI is increasingly being used to generate web content.
09:57:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
no list or group communications to my knoeledge thpugh yet Justine
09:57:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
if there has been any activity I have missed it
09:58:03 From ALAC-Justine Chew to Everyone:
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There has been
09:58:13 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
'and I was on the original group that wrote these ;-)
09:58:19 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
John, between registries and backend, it doesn't have to be a JV, but a full fledged technical relationship
10:00:00 From ALAC-Justine Chew to Everyone:
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Yes, you are on the list
10:00:11 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
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This approach has been happening at a ccTLD level for years, Siva. The operation of the registry is outsourced at a registry and registrar level with the string owner getting their cut of the profits. That's going to become more common with the next gTLD round.
10:01:11 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Talking points document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fy-BuHo82uqrCdrsNfoSKs6vF6dgyAe-KcYIdMz3cPU/edit#heading=h.spsf3nw25a8f
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10:02:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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email or group chat list ? I must have missed any messages - if so apologies
10:02:06 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99694797/ICANN80+-+June+2024+Policy+Forum
10:04:10 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
email or group chat list ? I must have missed any messages - if so apologies, @Cheryl Langdon-Orr which group are we talking about, I was disconnected for a few minutes
10:04:15 From ALAC-Justine Chew to Everyone:
We have identified rapporteurs right?
10:04:21 From ALAC-Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Yep. We’ll also be doing assignments with volunteers
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10:04:49 From ALAC-Justine Chew to Everyone:
We voluntell all the time
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10:05:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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@Hadia’s iPhone the one reviewing the EPDP; GGP, GIP processes as operational (but not all used) in the last few years
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10:05:38 From ALAC-Justine Chew to Everyone:
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I imagine I have to support rapporteering for the SubPro IRT sessions.
10:05:39 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
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I am aware that it h...
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10:07:01 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
Thank you all. See you online or face to face at ICANN80
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10:07:17 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
Thank you all. I am eagerly waiting to log on to the ICANN80 @ Kigali. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
10:07:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Safe travel to those doing so...
10:07:34 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Thanks all.
10:07:35 From ALAC-Justine Chew to Everyone:
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Email sent yesterday by Andrew
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Thank
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Bye for now then...
10:07:43 From ALAC-Shah Rahman to Everyone:
Thank you all
10:07:45 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Thanks and later all.
10:07:45 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
Bye for now
10:07:50 From Faheem Soomro to Everyone:
Thank you all
10:07:52 From Muriel ALAPINI to Everyone:
Thank you
10:07:53 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE (Cameroon) to Everyone:
Bye everyone et see you soon
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