Zoom chat: 2023-11-15 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

12:55:52 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Evening, afternoon, morning all.
12:55:52 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
13:00:05 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
13:01:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    I will be joining via laptop after reboot
13:03:08 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
    Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
13:03:39 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
13:06:53 From Alfredo Calderon To Everyone:
    Congratulations to the ICANN79 Fellows. Especially to Kathleen Scoggin and Yanira Zoe Filomeno Vazquez from North America —> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/icann79-fellowship-participants-2023-11-15-en
13:06:54 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    It definitely is a problem (IPv4) but it needs to be dealt with separately.
13:07:35 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Action Items: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=99695175
13:08:27 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
13:08:59 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
    @Christopher Wilkinson Many thanks for the nice pointer for keeping the domain name + IP address together for specifying "Transfer". I am with Dr. Steinar on the scoping of his WG. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
13:10:12 From Sivasubramanian M To Everyone:
    #if it takes an all new expeditious epdp to deal with ip transfer policy, so be it, let's discuss and propose to initiate and act upon these concerns #
13:11:14 From Christopher Wilkinson To Everyone:
    @John McCormac:  Yes, but we have
13:13:06 From Christopher Wilkinson To Everyone:
    tried to get an audit of the AFRINIC situation, without offiial response
13:13:11 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    @Christopher Wilkinson It is a complex problem because there's a business built around trading IPs. This is why it needs to be dealt with separately. There's also the AFRINIC situation. John Crain is acting as a technical expert for AFRINIC after the recent legal issues.
13:13:55 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    Thank you
13:14:07 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    @Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) Thank you
13:14:11 From Mouloud Khelif To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Congratulations to t..." with 
13:14:13 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    Olivier/Hadia I can give a minute update from the IRT on new Names if so desired...
13:14:39 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    @Cheryl Langdon-Orr sure
13:15:23 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond To Everyone:
    Olivier/Hadia I can give a minute update from the IRT on new Names if so desired...     OK - next
13:16:25 From Bill Jouris To Everyone:
    I can give a similarly short update on the Pilot Holistic Review effort
13:18:11 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond To Everyone:
    @Bill --- we'll have that in the policy comment pipeline
13:19:40 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    @Cheryl Langdon-Orr thank you for the update
13:19:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    All good
13:20:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    Bill is primary pen holder
13:21:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    the rest of us literally helped write the document ;-)
13:22:21 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    The current draft Holistic Review TOR statement is at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GNGOv6wyAi9shj8hLwisJ2fcelGduDDYIj3EYD75SpM/edit
13:22:41 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    @Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org thank you for the link
13:23:13 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond To Everyone:
    could we also have the link to the OFB meeting here please?
13:23:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    I don't have a cal in the calender
13:24:18 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Next OFB-WG meeting on Thursday, 30 November : https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/sw7xBQ
13:24:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    yes we will send the draft to the ALAC in advance of the close of PC
13:24:34 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Thanks, Bill!
13:24:54 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    We’ll get that sent out for a final review and then aim to finalize the statement by this Friday, 17 November.
13:25:30 From Claire Craig To Everyone:
    Thanks Heidi
13:25:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    It could be appended  Seb
13:25:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    as an indicator of what would be useful
13:26:12 From Seb Bachollet To Everyone:
    Will do
13:29:42 From Alfredo Calderon To Everyone:
    +1 Cheryl.  We need to be cautious about what we comment on.  The question is, do we need to comment on everything?
13:29:55 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    @Cheryl Langdon-Orr makes sense
13:29:56 From Laura Margolis To Everyone:
    Reacted to "@Cheryl Langdon-Orr ..." with 
13:30:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    If any where  Yes probable OCL  and I will say the same there ;-)
13:31:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    Noting we do have a very active and competent ALAC Liaison to the GNSO
13:31:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    and the GNSO will discuss in great detail
13:31:32 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    Closed generics is adopted
13:33:10 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
    Closed Generics: It is nice to see a process definition emerging in this area. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
13:37:13 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Hand up by Alfredo
13:37:47 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
    @Sivasubramanian M Expedited without clear Execution rights is always hazardous. ICANN is usually contended with issues and dispatches in an accelerated manner. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai,, INDIA
13:39:22 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    @Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) , that is also my understanding from my conversation with Sarmad.
13:39:50 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    If an ALS held an awareness raising last year, they would like a training related proposal this year.
13:41:01 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    If an ALS did not hold a UA awareness raising activity last year, then it is ok to submit a UA awareness raising activity this year.
13:42:29 From Eduardo Díaz To Everyone:
    User Adoption (UA) sessions are specifically tailored for a technical audience, which is typically harder to engage. We are operating under the assumption that this technical audience had already participated in the previous year's awareness sessions.
13:44:09 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Hand up by Alfredo
13:44:43 From Eduardo Díaz To Everyone:
    UA adoption is not something that happens right away. It may take some time so it will be very hard to prove.
13:44:45 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    @All, we are planning to hold an UA Day info webinar in the next week or so
13:45:04 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Sarmad will be on the call and will be able to answer these questions at that time
13:45:57 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    UAProgram@icann.org.
13:47:11 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    We can also create a page to collect questions for Sarmad for the UA Day webinar
13:48:33 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    I understand that Jonathan will be speaking on the webinar
13:48:50 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    To highlight the UA Day campaign  for At-Large
13:50:14 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Hand up by Sergio
13:50:41 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    It might be useful to hold off submitting proposals until after the UA Day webinar
13:51:10 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    To follow along with the RTT:  https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
13:55:10 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
    I am looking forward to hearing to Dr. Sarmad Hussain on the UA Day during the APRALO Monthly Call scheduled towards Noon today IST. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
13:55:36 From Abdulkarim Oloyede To Everyone:
    What the question again?
13:58:21 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Hand up by Sergio
13:58:30 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    @Christopher Wilkinson We hear you well
13:58:33 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO To Everyone:
    Hadia I'm raising my hand
13:59:03 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    @sergio salinas porto LACRALO will get back to you - apology I thought it was an old hand
14:00:03 From Natalia Filina To Everyone:
    + 1 to Christopher
14:04:45 From Seb Bachollet To Everyone:
    And the Ralos can discuss this issue with the RIR of their region
14:05:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    Reacted to "And the Ralos can di..." with 
14:05:46 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    Reacted to "And the Ralos can di..." with 
14:07:20 From Seb Bachollet To Everyone:
    Reacted to "And the Ralos can di…" with 
14:08:09 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    @sergio salinas porto LACRALO do you want to take the floor
14:08:10 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    ?
14:08:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    ALAC can ask for an Issue Report
14:08:52 From Seb Bachollet To Everyone:
    RIR and ASO
14:09:09 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
    Quick Note: Numbers are ideographs that can represent ideas across languages and can always be read quicker than letters. The usage of the terms "Character" and "Character Strings" is very important to understand. The romans use this philosophy in the best possible manner. It is not only the case of representation, it is all about information.  Claude Shannon's Roman Desk Calculator is a very good example. I have my own work in this area but not yet formalized. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
14:09:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    But the RIRs policy as OCL states are managed in their processes not within ICANNs
14:09:30 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    An issue report might be good. The main problem, at the moment, is the AFRINIC situation.
14:09:56 From Sivasubramanian M To Everyone:
    A wg, an accountability review or something else suitable, on an IANA transition scale !
14:10:49 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    @Christopher Wilkinson thank you
14:11:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    Perhaps there is some leverage where the RALOs have an MU with their associated RIR
14:11:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    MOU
14:11:48 From Natalia Filina To Everyone:
    thanks Olivier for mention it
14:12:10 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    The .MOSCOW and IDN registry seems to be slow in renewing zone file access.
14:13:09 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Most of the decisions about where to sell would be registrar level rather than registry.
14:13:17 From Sivasubramanian M To Everyone:
    If it is not about names, why do we wait for gNAMESso to initiate a process on NUMBERS? It doesn't have to be a PDP but an expansive process
14:13:44 From Natalia Filina To Everyone:
    But it is an decision from administrator of .aero
14:13:50 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) To Everyone:
    Example .ZUERICH
14:14:07 From Natalia Filina To Everyone:
    thanks Cheryl and Olivier
14:14:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    Understood Natalia and it is *in* the Administrator role
14:14:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    to make such a choice
14:14:22 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    I think that .AERO was/is a sponsored TLD rather than a gTLD.
14:14:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    we might need to check any changes in agreements on that one specifically
14:15:07 From Greg Shatan To Everyone:
    I believe the sponsored TLDs are a subset of gTLDs.
14:15:56 From Seb Bachollet To Everyone:
    Yes Greg
14:16:14 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    @Greg Shatan They also had some conditions and restrictions in the original contracts, I think. (.PRO being the classic example which was later genericized)
14:16:19 From Greg Shatan To Everyone:
    I suppose the difference here is that .AERO changed their policy regarding Russia, as opposed to a geo name which was restricted from Day 1.
14:16:39 From Natalia Filina To Everyone:
    Replying to "I suppose the differ..."
    
    not Russia only in the list btw
14:17:37 From Sivasubramanian M To Everyone:
    Reacted to ALAC can ask for an ... with "
14:18:16 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond To Everyone:
    Thanks Cheryl and all - helpful information
14:18:25 From Natalia Filina To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Thanks Cheryl and al..." with 
14:19:19 From Abdulkarim Oloyede To Everyone:
    +10 Cheryl
14:19:40 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO To Everyone:
    +1 Cheryl
14:19:55 From Bill Jouris To Everyone:
    If we are going to tweak the times, perhaps we should consider having one moved to when it would be more tolerable for those in East Asia and Australia
14:20:12 From Natalia Filina To Everyone:
    Reacted to "If we are going to t..." with 
14:20:17 From Natalia Filina To Everyone:
    Reacted to "+10 Cheryl" with 
14:20:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    Boo WHo
14:20:42 From avri doria To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Boo WHo" with 
14:20:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    were in Daylight saving tome now too do you all want to switch with the southern hemispheres
14:21:40 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    Reacted to "It might be useful t..." with 
14:21:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    It's not rocket science
14:21:59 From Christopher Wilkinson To Everyone:
    @siva The competence of GNSO does not extend beyond Domain names. CW
14:22:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    so get OUR calls IN the shared calendars ahead of time
14:22:25 From Sivasubramanian M To Everyone:
    Reacted to @siva The competence... with "
14:22:37 From Sivasubramanian M To Everyone:
    Yes indeed, @Christopher Wilkinson
14:22:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    like 6-8 months ahead of time
14:22:52 From Abdulkarim Oloyede To Everyone:
    Not easy but easy to stick to original schedule
14:23:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    Bye for now then'
14:23:21 From Alfredo Calderon To Everyone:
    By to all.
14:23:23 From avri doria To Everyone:
    people from various geographies do not come with the same pain sharing ethics.
14:23:27 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    @Cheryl Langdon-Orr timings are always challenging for you- thank you for bearing with us always
14:23:28 From Sivasubramanian M To Everyone:
    Thank you !
14:23:38 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Thanks and later all. (Might be good to discuss the IPv4 issue on the mailing list.)
14:23:46 From Hadia Elminiawi (AFRALO-Chair) To Everyone:
    Thank you all - bye for today
14:23:48 From Abdulkarim Oloyede To Everyone:
    I won’t be able to attend all 14:00 UTC. My apologies in advance
14:23:48 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
    Thank you.
14:24:00 From Laura Margolis To Everyone:
    Good bye!! and Thank you/1