ALAC ExCom 15.11.11 Chat

  Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the Excom Call of 15 November 2011!
  Rinalia:hi
  Seth Greene:Hello, everyone.
  Tijani:hi everybody
  CLO:Shall I dial in?
  Alan Greenberg:Is there anything you need me for in the agenda? I can call in if so.
  Alan Greenberg:(haven't had a chance to look myself yet)
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Nothing specific to you although we're going through all action items in Dakar
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:always good to have you around for GNSO related issues. If youo're busy we'll ping you if we have a question
  Gisella Gruber-White:Cheryl - we are dialling out to you
  CLO:they are trying
  Alan Greenberg:No problem  I will dial in..
  Tijani:welcome Renalia
  Rinalia:Thank you!
  Evan Leibovitch:carlton is trying but can't get in. can someone please give him an adigo dialout at +1-876-622-3232
  Alan Greenberg:Good format for AIs.  Thanks for the advanced work.
  Gisella Gruber-White:We will do it Evan
  CLO:[1:10:56 AM] Carlton Anthony Samuels: Hi CLO. Would you please ask Adigo to ring me on 876-622-3232?
  CLO:Carlton is having problems connecting
  Gisella Gruber-White:We are sorting this out
  CLO:and I just got dropped
  CLO:they dropped me off ccNSO at the top of the hour mark and never reconnected me as well ( though that was to my mobile)
  Carlton Samuels:Hiya, still waiting on Adigo....trying myself but the line drops after the first 2 rings
  CLO:there seems to be issues indeed as I'm stillout as well now *sogh*
  CLO:I dialed back in OK
  CLO:try again Carlton
  Carlton Samuels:I'm in now, thanks CLO
  CLO:phew
  CLO:odd though
  Gisella Gruber-White:Cheryl - are you ok?
  CLO:I dialled in from the hotel phone
  Gisella Gruber-White:OK thanks
  Alan Greenberg:@CLO - indeed!
  Gisella Gruber-White:Silvia has joined the call
  Heidi Ullrich:I've asked David Olive whether the other AC/SOs have templates in their communication with the Board. He replied that he is not aware that they do.
  Carlton Samuels:Evan is missing from participants' list
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I just want to avoid criticism --- I feel it is not deserved
  Heidi Ullrich:Carlton, I've added Evan to the participant's list.
  Heidi Ullrich:Welcome, Silvia!
  Alan Greenberg:I retract - spoon feeding is not a bad term...
  Alan Greenberg:Issue was not sympathy - pragmatism!
  Evan Leibovitch:… Of course, we should be considering this naturally. We have found (using the expereience from joint working groups) that when we don't give a concise summary of what we submit to the Board, senior staff will do it for us. Better to have control of our own emphasis points in a summary.
  Silvia Vivanco:Thank you Heidi
  CLO:@Alan  we can meet the Board (well some of their nimbers)  requests in a format  change of how we put  things in to them   we do NOT NEED to  make all things so simole   that we go back to the  How was this formed  what processes  happened  which weree the older questions  we were being asked
  CLO:this is like a pendulu swinging
  Evan Leibovitch:looks like AC works for me again... for now
  CLO:so Noted   OCL
  Rinalia:I agree with At-Large Improvements as home for the format issue.
  CLO:Public ComT
  CLO:try again  Public Comments  is changing ICANN wide  as a result of ATRT  recommendations  of course Evan  and the  comment reply  respond cycle  shifts  things as well
  Evan Leibovitch:I would hope that common sense would indicate when a statement is too short to need a summary
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:indeed.
  CLO:of course there is a difference between ALAC inpout into a PC  and a  piece of  ALAC advice / "Statement of the ALAC"
  CLO:I agree Alan  this is a very open  opportunity  but an Issue Report is still unpredictable
  Carlton Samuels:@Alan: Do we have to wait for the PIR or can we setup the issues to staff BEFORE
  CLO:watching brief  YES  Prep  YES  and  do it in an ALAC  space  YES
  CLO:that is all prep
  CLO:movement  or change still needs to happen within a PDP POST  issues report
  CLO:ALAC  can have input into the GNSO processes
  CLO:and IF  it goes to PDP  we need  real activity  from MEMBERS in the WG's
  CLO:and people  with thick enoght skins'
  CLO:yes it weill be argument and debat
  CLO:but we of getting to compromise  YES  Alan
  CLO:thius could  take years
  Carlton Samuels:@Evan:
  Carlton Samuels:It is
  CLO:depemnds on the WG  charter  from the Issue Report
  Carlton Samuels:..and Alan has the answer
  Carlton Samuels:We must get the matter in the PIR!
  CLO:and ALSO  be in the WG for the PDP that follows
  Carlton Samuels:@CLO: Yes ma'am!!
  CLO:I diss being closedagree with ANY of our WG's OR list
  CLO:in any way
  CLO:outside of  behavioural norms
  Carlton Samuels:@CLO: +1
  Alan Greenberg:Also disagre with closing, but we may need some working rules
  Carlton Samuels:Invoking LJB..again: "Better to keep the skunk in the tent pissing out than to have him outside pissing in"!
  Alan Greenberg:"thanks you for your input. Let's move on" to disruptive views
  Evan Leibovitch:no problem with diversity within At-Large. There is concern about the "diversity" extending to parties who already have ample opportunity to express their points oif view elsewhere within ICANN.
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:agreed
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:everyone is an internet user
  CLO: The advantages of this is that some discussion / debate gets done in more fora  which helps socialise  change in itself   etc.,
  Evan Leibovitch:inclusing those with the desire and ability to exploit other users.
  CLO:yes  and without  "industry" good bad and indifferent  being "on Board"  then we will not get changes adopted or implemented
  Evan Leibovitch:just sayin'.... when they know all our tactics but we know none of theirs, we enter the forum already penalized.
  CLO:keep your enemies closer than your friends
  Carlton Samuels:@CLO: +1. Better to know your opponent's views from the ground.  Yes, they also have the same advantage but I would honestly that we have a ground floor ability to influence/constrain views we think against the at-large interests
  Evan Leibovitch:keep the close != let them in everywhere
  CLO:as we also want to be  => every where
  Gisella Gruber-White:Rinalia - please see private chat I sent you - thank you.
  CLO:OCL  as  language services  chamges also come out of ATRT reccommendations (ref the PC's  parts)   and  in ICANNs focus to  better Public Participation  (ICANN wide)  but  it also fits in the pervuw of ALAC Reviewe as language use / choice was addressed in the report
  CLO:you could punt it over the the implementaion  task force  for a next step
  CLO:that will help classify when and where  langiage servoices are best used   as  CS  is reffering to
  Evan Leibovitch:there's no video on this call. I could be jumping up and down and you'd never know.
  Rinalia:I'd like to see that Evan.
  Evan Leibovitch:Are you sure? It's not pretty.
  Rinalia:Yup.
  Evan Leibovitch:I've already sent email to Beau regarding the registrant rights WG
  Evan Leibovitch:BTW, don't even THINK of a finance WG without Ganesh
  CLO:He already indicated to OCL (while I was there) that he would be interested in serving oin this SC  Yes
  CLO:but that is of course ALAC business  ALAC needs to appoitn 1 ALACer per Geo Region as each RALO needs to appoint a rep as well
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:noted CLO. Thanks
  Gisella Gruber-White:Rinalia dropped - we are dialling her back
  Rinalia:back.
  Gisella Gruber-White:Rinalia is back
  CLO:APRALO is happy to own that part
  Rinalia:interestingly, NomCom threw that ball right back to ALAC.
  CLO:not just thge Metrics WG  BUT the RoP's  review
  Alan Greenberg:Forgot ZIP
  Rinalia:I thought I heard ZIP.
  Alan Greenberg:OK, will go clean my ears.
  Heidi Ullrich:The next ALAC Meeting is on 22 November - next week.
  Rinalia:Pls don't clash with APRALO meeting on that same day.
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Staff makes sure there is no clash
  Heidi Ullrich:Rinalia and Olivier - both the APRALO and ALAC meetings are standing meetings and do not have clashes.
  Gisella Gruber-White:APRALO call is at 0500 UTC
  Gisella Gruber-White:ALAC call is at 1500 UTC
  Tijani:Dropped
  Alan Greenberg:I've got to be off shortly, but wanted to remind those on this call that today is the deadline for submitting comments/views to the President/CEO search committee.
  Tijani:Can you please Gisella make them call me again
  Carlton Samuels:@CLO: +1
  Heidi Ullrich:Tijani is back
  Heidi Ullrich:Re Tijani's request to Rod and Steve for a senior person to participate in a new gTLD meeting, Rod's staff will be following up with Sebastien on this issue.
  Tijani:Thanks Heidi for the follow-up
  Heidi Ullrich:Naela has stated: The Variant Case Study Teams are obliged to provide their analysis of the comments by 28 November.
  Heidi Ullrich:AT-Large Workspace on IRD:https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Draft+Final+Report+of+the+Internationalized+Registration+Data+Working+Group+Workspace
  Heidi Ullrich:including Carlton's statements.
  Heidi Ullrich:A call for comments been sent
  Heidi Ullrich:Draft At-Large statement on 2012-2015 Strategic Plan:https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/display/alacpolicydev/ALAC+Statement+on+the+2012-2015+Strategic+Plan+-+November+2011
  Heidi Ullrich:To date,  two comments have been received on the wiki page from OCL and Rudi.
  Carlton Samuels:@Tijani: I don't think we need a minority report at all!
  Carlton Samuels:Tijani did a good job to incorproate MOST of the concerns
  Carlton Samuels:@Evan:  There is borad agreement on what Evan says!
  Carlton Samuels:broad!
  Evan Leibovitch:@ tijani... one point missed from the inclusion of my PoV is the criticism os staff being charged with evaluating its own success in implementing the StartPlan
  Carlton Samuels:@Evan: This is where I think Titi's dashboard could be embraced for that objective
  Rinalia:Aree with Carlton.
  Carlton Samuels:Take care, guys
  Evan Leibovitch:bye!
  Evan Leibovitch:Personally, I see the AFRALO capacity building work as the forerunner of the Academy.
  Evan Leibovitch:There is much that can be carried over from what I know of it.
  Rinalia:I agree, but there was the issue that Jean Jacques highlighted.
  Rinalia:We need a higher level session that discusses the strategic issues.
  Rinalia:And how they are connected.
  Rinalia:And how they are politicized within ICANN.
  Rinalia:And how they relate to the larger Internet "governance" issues.
  Rinalia:Global Partnership staff keeps tabs on what's happening outside of ICANN on "Internet Governance", - we should have an opportunity to discuss that and learn what's going on.
  Rinalia:And incorporate into Future Challenges work.
  Rinalia:within scope of ICANN.
  Evan Leibovitch:APRALO has a Princess
  Heidi Ullrich:LACRALO will start their work on the Showcase in the next few weeks in order to try to match the success of the AFRALO Showcase!
  Heidi Ullrich:APRALO has a Queen (of Process) ;)
  Matt Ashtiani:Tijani's report =http://goo.gl/6O6Q7
  Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, Matt. I believe this is still a preliminary report.
  Heidi Ullrich:Wiki page re joint ccNSO/GNSO WG on single character IDN TLDs:https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/display/atlarge/At-Large+Workspace+for+Joint+ccNSO+and+GNSO+Working+Group+on+Single+Character+IDN+TLDs+-+November+2011
  Heidi Ullrich:Cheryl and R
  Heidi Ullrich:inalia, Silvia will work with Rinalia and the APRALO leadership on this issue prior to the next APrALO call.
  Silvia Vivanco:Sure will do
  Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, Rinalia and Silvia!
  Evan Leibovitch:I don't have much longer for this call. Not because I have a hard stop, but because my mind is numbing. My utility here is deminishing rapidly
  CLO:at almost 0400 no argument from me on that Evan
  Rinalia:Staff: what's the group email for APRALO leadership?
  Rinalia:I got dropped again.
  Heidi Ullrich:apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org- Rinalia, that is the APAC list
  Rinalia:No specific list for the "leadership"?
  Heidi Ullrich:no, not at the moment.
  Rinalia:where can I find the email addresses for the officers?  It's not on the APRALO Regional Leaders page.
  CLO:Sylvia can sort that out for you and the page / space needs LOTS of work  YEs  but I'll email you the names now
  Evan Leibovitch:any other bizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  Rinalia:Thank you, CLO.  I got dropped again.  My phone is rebelling.  Will ExCom teleconference meeting aways be this long?
  Evan Leibovitch:my brain is rebelling
  CLO:finished now
  Heidi Ullrich:We have finished the call.
  CLO:email comiing your way soon
  Rinalia:Thanks much lah.
  Heidi Ullrich:I have gone through three phones myself!
  Rinalia:LOL
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ Rinalia - no ... usually not this long
  Evan Leibovitch:BTW, I have already started communications with Beau over the new RAA  work
  Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, everyone!
  Gisella Gruber-White:we try to do 1h30 but rarely achieve that ;-)
  Rinalia:;)
  Seth Greene:So long, everyone.
  CLO:Bye all
  Rinalia:Bye!
  CLO:amd the call AFTER an ICANN meeting is ALWAYS  long
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks to all -- this was a *very* productive call -- always a lot of work post ICANN meeting. Always an exceptionally long call at that time
  CLO:longer
  Evan Leibovitch:bye all
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I see we all agree about that :-)
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:bye all