Zoom chat: 2019-09-11 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

11:47:22 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the Consolidated Policy Working Group Call
11:51:13 From Claudia Ruiz : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
11:51:25 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
11:55:46 From Glenn McKnight, Naralo : testing audio
11:56:18 From Claudia Ruiz : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
11:58:55 From Ricardo Holmquist : hello everyone
11:59:46 From Claudia Ruiz : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
12:00:12 From Glenn McKnight, Naralo : Just great to see the captioning
12:00:30 From Glenn McKnight, Naralo : Hi Marita Can we chat later
12:00:42 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : agree Glenn
12:04:13 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : you were on online not Zoom
12:04:18 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : problem between Zoom & Bridge
12:04:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : phone
12:04:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and me
12:05:16 From Vrikson Acosta : hello
12:05:26 From sergio salinas porto : hi everyone
12:05:39 From sergio salinas porto : please call me at +5492235215819
12:07:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : They would both also still be IN the EPDP Meeting
12:11:40 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you, Jothan
12:11:45 From Jothan Frakes (PLISK) : Thanks for the opportunity to pay respect to Thomas
12:12:07 From Roberto : Sorry, I was a not aware about Thomas. A real shock to hear about it
12:12:14 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Thank you Jothan
12:12:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : That would be a lovely gesture 2Heidi
12:12:45 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : That's great Heidi
12:13:11 From Evin Erdoğdu : Yeşim noted her AI is in progress :)
12:13:51 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : we couldn't hear you Olivier
12:13:59 From Claudia Ruiz : Jonathan is an apology
12:15:45 From Marita Moll : Justine has a day job?? Impossible
12:16:30 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : @Claudia -- understood re: Jonathan's apology. Noted.
12:18:04 From Carlton Samuels : @Marita I wonder about that meself! The load she bears is just amazing!
12:18:45 From Holly Raiche : I suspect she doesn’t sleep
12:24:13 From Holly Raiche : It looks like agreement is a long way off!
12:29:00 From christopher wilkinson : Good evening: In the light of the current constitutional crisis in the UK, I shall abstain from this call.
12:29:26 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : :-)
12:30:32 From christopher wilkinson : Meanwhile may I say that I maintain the advice that I previously provided in the matter of WT5 Scenarios.
12:33:28 From Justine Chew : Name collision refers to the situation where a name that is defined and used in one namespace may also appear in another. Users and applications intending to use a name in one namespace may attempt to use it in a different one, and unexpected behavior may result where the intended use of the name is not the same in both namespaces.
12:33:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : such as .mail .corp
12:33:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : ,home etc.,
12:33:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Correct OCL
12:34:39 From Justine Chew : March 2019
12:34:41 From Alberto Soto : Sorry, I must go. Thanks, bye!
12:34:59 From Claudia Ruiz : Thank you for joining Alberto!
12:36:11 From Justine Chew : NCAP has only come out with a project plan
12:36:13 From Holly Raiche : What is the way forward?
12:36:18 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you Justine
12:36:22 From Evin Erdoğdu : Brava!
12:37:09 From Justine Chew : SubPro Updates Workspace: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/24AeBg
12:37:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks Justine great job as usual :-)
12:38:00 From casas cristian : buenas tardes a todos
12:42:37 From sergio salinas porto : hola cristian
12:43:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and me before you OCL :-)
12:45:16 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : ...and did you get the same response from other SO/AC Chairs back then @Cheryl?
12:46:14 From Gordon Chillcott : Interesting point, Sebastien.
12:46:41 From Carlton Samuels : @Sebastien +1
12:46:42 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Well to some extent OCL but changes we have seen over the years such AS the way strat planning and Financial plan developments (Ops Plan etc.,) were changes made in response to that (circa ATRT1
12:46:55 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and JPA pre that
12:47:28 From Justine Chew : Yes, common situation throughout
12:47:40 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Perhaps the prioritisation has to be from the At-Large viewpoint - how important is the issue to end-users?
12:47:43 From Holly Raiche : @ OCL - that is probably still the case
12:47:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : YUP indeednOCL
12:48:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and the GNSO Councils PDP 3.0 is a partial response to that as well
12:48:27 From Holly Raiche : The CPWG is one way to spreading the possibility of comment - was the hope?
12:48:32 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : +1 Olivier
12:48:34 From Carlton Samuels : @OCL this us the existential situation in every volunteer endeavour I've ever been involved!
12:48:54 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : If we concentrate on end-user focused issues then we can encourage more people to become involved..
12:49:13 From Holly Raiche : Hopefully, this discussion will start the answer
12:50:05 From Carlton Samuels : I remember Mikey well. For the At-Large the solution lies in choice of the engagement model. We have to cut our coat to suit our cloth!
12:50:40 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : The priority of issues that we state on our Policy Platform will also direct us to encourage greater engagement
12:51:41 From Carlton Samuels : Choose our issues carefully and and be mindful of the bandwidth we have at hand. Focus. Focus. Focus on matters if real importance to end users.
12:52:05 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : @Carlton.. Im with you on this
12:52:22 From Carlton Samuels : The SSAC provides a model we might wish to explore.
12:52:23 From Holly Raiche : @ Carlton - agree
12:54:08 From Holly Raiche : Which is why he isn’t a leader now…
12:54:52 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Mikey left in April 2014
12:54:58 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Agree with Cheryl about the confidence that the CPWG gives At-Large members in external groups as well as O&E about important messages are being formalised within the CPWG environment
12:55:07 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : time flies
12:55:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Not in isolation @Marita but together and with other actions
12:56:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : between a and C
12:56:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : A and C
13:04:34 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Scoping will help enormously
13:04:55 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and lots of fresh efforts and experiences has assisted in us starting to get that better
13:05:11 From Carlton Samuels : Heres the thing folks. Even when we scope right it will be largely the same folks turn up work ready and for work. Period.
13:05:30 From John Laprise : +1
13:05:31 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : HOlly both your phone and Zoom are on
13:05:51 From John Laprise : holly is right. good scoping reduces work..."measure twice, cut once"
13:06:43 From Carlton Samuels : Which is why I think we needed to block the noise from the review. Every now and then we will recruit another 2 or 3. And, happily, we have them here in person if Marita, Justine, Jonathan and Amina.
13:07:40 From Holly Raiche : Yes please
13:07:58 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : The challenge is that when thing goes on the shelf it becomes a challenge to bring them back in action
13:08:18 From Carlton Samuels : It is what it is. Real policy work is not for everybody. We will always have a small core group doing the real work, lots of lurkers and even s bigger group kicking the tires.
13:08:59 From sergio salinas porto : I can not stay longer, I must go out for a work meeting until the next meeting colleagues!
13:09:10 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : The duration of time to take to understand the process affect the level of engagement
13:09:11 From Carlton Samuels : We must do what we must not to overwork the small core working. And work at converting lurkers, even one lurker at a time.
13:09:15 From sergio salinas porto : bye!
13:09:28 From Holly Raiche : I think a combination of all three - again
13:09:52 From John Laprise : agreed gordon
13:09:56 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : The question would be how do we maximise impact in a resource constrained environment
13:10:07 From Justine Chew : Devil is in the details
13:10:34 From Holly Raiche : @ Daniel - we are back to closely defining the issue, working out OUR priorities
13:11:24 From Jothan Frakes (PLISK) : @daniel you're coming across like a dubstep remix daniel
13:11:39 From Jothan Frakes (PLISK) : thats better
13:12:11 From Justine Chew : Passion!
13:13:08 From Gordon Chillcott : Thank you, Daniel!
13:13:11 From Justine Chew : At-Large review?
13:13:34 From Justine Chew : Implementation of At-Large review recommendations
13:13:56 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Yes, Some arguments are respective to opinion and position
13:15:02 From Gordon Chillcott : A combination of A and B here
13:15:17 From Carlton Samuels : @Daniel That's right, passion! One has to have that for this kind of policy work. Not everybody will know everything or even want to be engaged in every issue we think is in the end user interest! And that is all good. So know we will end with a few. What we need to appreciate is the context in which this small group operates.
13:15:17 From John Laprise : a+b
13:15:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : there in my view needs to be several approaches working in cocert on all of these issues
13:15:32 From Holly Raiche : Agree with Gordon - is important,
13:15:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : concert
13:15:45 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : ATRT3 work is still in progress
13:16:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : LOTs of the work is in progress **SIGH**
13:16:49 From Jothan Frakes (PLISK) : @cheryl that's how it has always been ... build plane while flying it
13:17:09 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome Jonathan!
13:17:11 From John Laprise : community's responsibility to ICANN and ICANN org should be spelled out
13:17:13 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Oh I realise that my friend, but... ... ...
13:17:13 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : In reference to RALOs - every RALO has its mode of operations
13:18:02 From Carlton Samuels : When you say roles and responsibilities somebody can correct me but in the words of that great philosopher Yogi Berra its deja vu all over again
13:18:21 From Jonathan Zuck : Sorry I’m late
13:19:00 From Holly Raiche : Agree with John
13:19:02 From Justine Chew : Have far and detailed can definition of roles and responsibilities be in the Bylaws? Bylaws are usually kept very high level.
13:19:44 From Justine Chew : *How far ...
13:19:50 From Carlton Samuels : BTW, do y'all have eyeballs on this global public interest kerfuffle with the Board now brewing?
13:20:08 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Welcome Jonathan!
13:20:21 From Justine Chew : Is the plane flying to more places?
13:20:45 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : @Carlton - yes this is a major topic brought forth by discussions at EPDP Phase 2
13:21:14 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : I don't know if I would call it a "kerfuffle" but it is a topic for discussion
13:21:29 From Holly Raiche : We have to stop thinking about ‘a’ solution and think of the many steps involved
13:21:50 From Holly Raiche : Well done Marita
13:21:56 From Glenn McKnight, Naralo : Thanks Marita
13:21:57 From Justine Chew : Danke Marita
13:21:58 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : @Justine.. that's what you get when you gather as many divergent thinkers as we have here on the CPWG
13:22:04 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Brilliant work Marita
13:22:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : thx @Marita
13:22:19 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Great work Marita and team, I am happy that this is open for review
13:22:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : can staff put the details of the webinar on this matter in a short while
13:23:05 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : And measurement of effective engagement. Prioritization remains a challenge and we have to worry that when somethings are placed on the shelf - getting back to them is another challenge
13:23:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : some of you other than @Marita and I might be able to attend
13:23:43 From Glenn McKnight, Naralo : I too am a bit unclear on the other direction
13:23:59 From Justine Chew : Ditto
13:24:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : What are you referring to Abdulkarim???
13:24:27 From Carlton Samuels : Have to drop off now. Thank you all. Best.
13:25:03 From Glenn McKnight, Naralo : Bye Carlton
13:25:50 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Thanks for dropping by, Carlton
13:27:09 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Thanks @John, this is an open process and open policy discussion
13:27:56 From John Laprise : deadlines are always tight it seems :)
13:28:29 From Vrikson Acosta : bye
13:28:56 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : The wiki documents all the work
13:29:16 From Holly Raiche : Agreed - good idea
13:29:48 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : All work in progress is documented and reference can be made.
13:30:42 From Justine Chew : 1. There is nothing stopping anyone from "viralisizing" the "work" that we are trying to get through 2. What is crucial is that we are able to drive and channel the discussion towards one output and not let everyone run wild ;)
13:30:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes @Daniel, and thanks @Marita
13:31:43 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : @Cheryl do you understand what am referring to now or want more explanation. sorry just looking at the chat
13:31:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I also note that if there is áll this work or oportunity for work with rank and file people'out in the "community" than it can always be fed in via CPWG and the open wiki work as well
13:32:46 From Justine Chew : *"viralizing", sorry can't spell anymore, it's late...
13:33:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : The analysis of time taken for fuk and effective community engagement with edge community BTW when it was last analysed and studied BTW around 8-9 years ago now indicated a time of around 90 days minimum er activity/Comment Item etc.,
13:33:45 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : sure Justine i agree with your points
13:33:57 From Evin Erdoğdu : Reminder: Brian Cute will walk the ICANN community through the "Next Steps to Improve the Effectiveness of ICANN's Multistakeholder Model". Webinars will take place on 11 Sept at 23:00 UTC & 12 Sept at 16:00 UTC. For details, please visit: https://go.icann.org/2LhgYJ8
13:33:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : hardly an 'agile'method
13:34:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : 2359 UTC
13:34:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : 13 Sept
13:34:34 From John Laprise : don't even start cheryl...;)
13:34:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : But John :-)
13:35:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now then Hope several of you can join these Webinars
13:35:46 From Justine Chew : Goodnight.
13:36:04 From Jothan Frakes (PLISK) : I covered my AoB earlier wrt Tom Lowenhaupt, thx
13:36:15 From Jothan Frakes (PLISK) : Cheers and thank you
13:37:44 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Thank you all
13:37:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for Now then...
13:37:56 From Holly Raiche : Thanks everyone
13:37:56 From hanan khatib : thank very much
13:37:59 From Daniel K. Nanghaka : Bye all
13:38:00 From LILIAN IVETTE DE LUQUE : bye for now
13:38:01 From Marita Moll : bye all
13:38:04 From Gordon Chillcott : THanks and bye for now.