AC Chat: 2019-01-09 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call
- Yesim Saglam
- Aleksey Khapchenko
- Andrea Glandon
Ā Andrea Glandon: (1/9/2019 13:35) Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call held on Wednesday, 09 January 2019 at 21:00 UTC.
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (13:35) Wiki Agenda Page:Ā https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/2fvvBQ
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (14:53) Hello all, welcome
Ā Ā Lilian Ivette De Luque: (14:53) Hello all happy new year
Ā Ā Alfredo Calderon: (14:57) Hola de nuevo @Lilian, @Joanna and Staff. Hello to all! Happy New Year for those that celebrate it! As some may know here in Puerto Rico our Christmas ends after the Festivities oe San Sebantian Street.https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.miagendapr.com_event_fiestas-2Dde-2Dla-2Dcalle-2Dsan-2Dsebastian-2D2019_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=k7uKdjSb7_ZjItyVqrCYHo_rKms9SFxlmbYEJqG-y9I&m=zbkHNAh-igslCOnvkGR3mHAzlp01zMevrDY_-dFe8iY&s=VCSlFoqvCyjZPfspKyX7qVYkCgZyoOh8W0ubxTXR6qM&e=
Ā Ā Glenn McKnight: (14:58) HiĀ
Ā Ā Lilian Ivette De Luque: (14:59) great alfredo
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (15:00) Hello again!
Ā Ā Alfredo Calderon: (15:01) @Alberto, saludos de nuevo. Hoy ha sido un dĆa largo para varios.
Ā Ā Lilian Ivette De Luque: (15:01) bastante movido
Ā Ā Lilian Ivette De Luque: (15:01) hola alberto!
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (15:02) Asi es, y no asisti al webinar porque estaba viajando
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (15:02) Hola Lilian!!
Ā Ā Nadira Alaraj: (15:04) o allhell
Ā Ā Lilian Ivette De Luque: (15:04) hello nadira!
Ā Ā Nadira Alaraj: (15:04) sorry forĀ Ā the auto typingĀ
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (15:04) Action Items 19 December:Ā https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/9PrvBQ
Ā Ā John Laprise: (15:05) Sorry for my tardiness
Ā Ā Nadira Alaraj: (15:05) hi LillianĀ
Ā Ā Abdulkarim Oloyede: (15:05) hi
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (15:05) hi everyone
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (15:05) Hello!Ā Ā Please, can you call me at 54 11 5368 1318 ?
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (15:05) No slide deck
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (15:05) Hadia is not on the bridge right now, we are trying to reconnect
Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond: (15:06) thanks @Andrea -- I noticed thus Alan's speaking first
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (15:06) Thank you!
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (15:06) We have Hadia back on audio
Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond: (15:07) Thanks @Andrea
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (15:07) You're welcome!
Ā Ā John Laprise: (15:10) Agreed Alan
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (15:10) it's not about us having clever people. THEY can always comment. It's about interests of end users.
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (15:13) impossible to udnerstandĀ
Ā Ā Sebastien: (15:13) Not understandable
Ā Ā Alfredo Calderon: (15:13) Difficult to understand...
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (15:14) sorry hadia you need to be calledĀ
Ā Ā A- Eduardo DĆaz: (15:14) the sound is too choppy
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (15:14) noĀ
Ā Ā John Laprise: (15:15) better for me
Ā Ā Alfredo Calderon: (15:16) Sounds good.
Ā Ā Abdulkarim Oloyede: (15:16) gone poor again
Ā Ā A- Eduardo DĆaz: (15:16) No good
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (15:16)Ā Ā not better ...
Ā Ā Alfredo Calderon: (15:16) Sounded better for a moment.Ā
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (15:17) finding the line
Ā Ā Christopher Wilkinson: (15:18) Qestion:Ā Ā I have seen several complaints about the extraterrestrial application of GDPR. Most recently from American Motion Picture Association. How should ICANLN handle that?
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (15:18) thnaks for the update Alan, does not sound it is going so good as we expected... hope the F2F will be better
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (15:19) Hadia back on the audio bridge
Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond: (15:19) thanks
Ā Ā Alfredo Calderon: (15:19) Much better
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (15:19) much better
Ā Ā A- Eduardo DĆaz: (15:19) LOt better
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (15:20) I believe that extraterritoriality is not an ICANN issue, it should be analyzed by governments
Ā Ā Glenn McKnight: (15:24) We have aĀ Ā ISOC SIG on Interplanary SIG
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (15:25) Itās not really a government issue.Ā Ā As a practical matter, itās an issue for private parties.
Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond: (15:25) There have been concerns about extra-territoriality of GDPR but this really is outside the realm of ICANN
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (15:25) I agree with greg , is among partiesĀ
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (15:26) Ā It is a subject that each government must see, since it affects a citizen or company in their country.
Ā Ā Christopher Wilkinson: (15:27) Chat Silence?
Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond: (15:29) The devil is in the details themselves, and if rules wre adhered to strictly then it might be able to decide what is related and what is not related to ICANN on a domain per domain basis. But the stance that the WG has taken is to put it all in the same bucket.
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (15:29) Alberto, on a higher level (e.g., sovereignty) it is also a concern of governments, and some governments may push back on this aspect of GDPR....
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (15:30) Ok Greg
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (15:33) FYI, the thrust of the MPAA comment on extraterritoriality is that ICANN should not apply GDPR beyond the boundaries set forth in GDPR itself.
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (15:34) I donāt read their comment to suggest defying GDPR or the EU.
Ā Ā John Laprise: (15:35) At my nonprofit, the MPAA position would be and is a non-starter. It's not a defensible position to protect some PII better
Ā Ā John Laprise: (15:36) The MPAA position would drive registrants to the EU.
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (15:36) As I understand the MPAA position, it is simply that the GDPR should be applied as the GDPR says, but no further.
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (15:37) In other words, itās not acceptable to act as if the whole world is the EU.
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (15:37)Ā https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102660607/At-Large+Workspace+Initial+Report+of+the+Expedited+Policy+Development+Process+EPDP+on+the+Temporary+Specification+for+gTLD+Registration+Data+Team
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (15:38)Ā https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102661079/2019+ALAC+Policy+Comments+Advice
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (15:38) @Evin, FYI I updated the summary for the SubPro Supp Initial Report a little bit on the agenda page.
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (15:38) Not sure why that would be a non-starter anywhere, except for the purpose of expediency (or if one wants to adopt a company policy that acts like GDPR outside the scope of GDPR).
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (15:38) Thank you @Justine, noted
Ā Ā John Laprise: (15:38) Right but at the practical level, it protects PII of EU residents "better." Orgs that want stronger privacy protection would find an EU resident surrogate.Ā
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (15:40) True, but thatās because its core intent is to protect āindividuals in the Union.ā
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (15:42)Ā Ā I'm sorry, I must go to another meeting, bye!
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (15:42) im assuming that the ALAC will contribute some comment to the strategic plan.. and would appreciate some input from this group - thank you Marita
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:43) I would think so @Maureen
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:43) and YESĀ Ā I think we should do something in the Specific Review Standards
Ā Ā Avri Doria: (15:46) As a member of the OEC I personally think having ALAC look at what is changing would be a good.Ā Ā Things like your review are among the motivators for tweaks.
Ā Ā Avri Doria: (15:47) even those these are the specific and not organizational
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:49) Indeed @Avri
Ā Ā Nadira Alaraj: (15:49) good point Avri
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:49) as Did I as an Individual\
Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond: (15:50) An earlier update in 2018, though:Ā https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102660147/At-Large+Workspace+Next+Steps+on+ReviewsĀ Ā --- which looked at the length of Reviews
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:51) Just the highlights Greg :-)
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (15:52) I would have no beef with choosing restaurants in Kobe.
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:52) I DID
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:52) both of them
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:53) Agree AlanĀ Ā so happy to have input and look forward to Gregs Hiighlights reviewĀ
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:53) Yes ATRT is VERY limited
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:53) an ALAC comment will be the best if possible
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (15:54) I will focus on the top 150 issues.
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:54) Some experience indeed!
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:54) Argh @Greg!!!!
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (15:54) Amendment to the IANA Naming Functions Contract, Annex A:Ā https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102661261/At-Large+Workspace+Amendment+to+the+IANA+Naming+Functions+Contract+Annex+A
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (15:55) @OCL, @JZ, I'd like to give 10 of 15 minutes of item 5.1 in the agenda to the Wt5 presentation which I think needs more time, now more than I do for Neustar's proposal.
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (15:56) ok
Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond: (15:57) 5.1 has 15 minutes already. Are you saying it would have 30 minutes?
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (15:58) @OCL, no, I want to give away 10 minutes to Marita
Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond: (15:58) ok
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (15:58) right, a unique perspective
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (15:59) Unless thereās a gotcha hidden in the doc, I think we would support it, either by making a statement or by just staying quiet.
Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond: (15:59) ok -- other way around. Understood. Thx.
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:03) Sorry I don't quite know what happened with the cross icons in the earlier 2 slides
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (16:06) Agree Avri
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:10) Thank you all so much a very clear, concise and yet comprehensive approach to what we ll recognise as a complex issue
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:11) 22nd Jan is the date
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:12) Please state the estimate in hours.
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:12) :-)
Ā Ā Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:14) Justine is right
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:15) Unfortunately, we canāt comment on the slides....
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (16:15) Impressive piece of work on a really complicated area.
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:16) @Greg, use the slides as guide and comment on the googledoc
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:18) It would be far easier to put the relevant slide content into the Google Doc.
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:18) Far easier for those commenting on the comment, that is.
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:20) audio??
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (16:20) They are calling you back Cheryl
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:20) Oh never mind I will just use AC for the end
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (16:20) okay
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:21) I'm kinda over having the earpiece in anyway (since my 0200 ;-)
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (16:21) :)
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:22) Most helpful if you can Evin Thank you
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:22) Evin, hopefully you have a PPT version so you can cut and paste.
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:25) WT5 is still a GNSO process....
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:26) It most certainly is Greg a part of the SubPro PDP
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:26) Yes, agree with Marita on the comment of using slides as the guide
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (16:26) Thank you Justine, Marita and Yrjo for the work you have done on this presentation!
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:26) although every effort has been made to accommodate all elements of the community (who are welcome to participate in ANY GNSO Working Group).
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (16:27) thanks to allĀ Ā very good meeting... need to close form my side.Ā
Ā Ā hadia Elminiawi: (16:28) thank you Justine, Marta and yrjoĀ
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:28) There is no āofficialā worldwide list of cities....
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:29) Jurisdictions have many different definitions of ācityā
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:31) The answer is āit dependsā....
Ā Ā Christopher Wilkinson: (16:31) Cities? I do not see any basis for distinguishing between a 'city' and any other goegraphical term.
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:31) World domination!
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:31) ;-)
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:32) I think one can distinguish between a city and a body of water....
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (16:32) Justine, you have control of the presentation
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (16:32) Yes Olivier both were to be discussed in the FBSC but we ran out of time at the last meeting
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:33) I will have to jump off soon as I expect another call.
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (16:34) Need to leave now...\
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:34) Maybe we should stop calling it the Neustar Proposal.
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:34) Then we can discuss it.
Ā Ā Yrjƶ LƤnsipuro: (16:35) Yes, Greg. I think the fundamental difference is between (1) administrative units of any size, with a definite area and populatio, under one authority, and (2) geographic features like mountains, valleys etcĀ
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:37) Yrjo, the problem with ācityā arises when one tries to distinguish cities from other such administrative units.
Ā Ā A- Eduardo DĆaz: (16:37) Need to move on.Ā
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:38) I would focus on the substance of the proposal, not looking for ulterior motives.
Ā Ā Yrjƶ LƤnsipuro: (16:41) Greg, perhaps we need to find and invent a term that covers them all
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:41) Agree ALAN THIS IS A MOST USEFUL EXERCISE imo
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (16:42) its what we should always be doing
Ā Ā Marita Moll: (16:44) You can get burned @christopher
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:45) Noted @Sebasties
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:45) Noted @Sebastien sorry typo
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (16:45) Not just a long time ago. Recently as well.
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (16:46) The specifics of the proposal are subject to discussion. But this is an opportunity that is TOO GOOD TO IGNORE.
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (16:46) And those caps were intentional.
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:47) @Alan, absolutely -- Jeff opened the door for us and At-Large should stick our foot in it.
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:48) @Tijani, I'm sorry I didn't get your question
Ā Ā Marita Moll: (16:48) I also thought that Alexander's proposal made sense
Ā Ā Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:50) ok, was this a request from the WG co-chairs to get the feedback of the SO/AC about the Neustar proposal?
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:51) @Tijani, it was a request from Jeff Neuman in his capacity as co-lead of Sub-Group A
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:51) to all SGs
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:52) who have representatives on Sub-Group A
Ā Ā Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:53) Ok, thx a lot Justine
Ā Ā Abdulkarim Oloyede: (16:53) Yes it is not qite clear. there seams to be an over lap
Ā Ā Christopher Wilkinson: (16:53) Good night. Thankyou everyone.Ā Ā CW
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:53) There will be some more objections, in place of contentions.
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (16:53) The policy page will guide Justine and others in their participation in the PDP.
Ā Ā Alfredo Calderon: (16:53) Bye to all!
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:53) Thank you, all, for your inputs.
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:53) OCL, you are always flying.
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (16:54) yes
Ā Ā Andrea Glandon: (16:54) 13:00 UTC
Ā Ā Abdulkarim Oloyede: (16:54) ys 1300
Ā Ā Marita Moll: (16:54) Yes, okay with me
Ā Ā Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:55) Ok for me
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:55) Itās awkward but I can make it work.,
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:55) I think so
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:55) Earlier will clash with SubPro
Ā Ā Justine Chew: (16:56) And I have RPM at 17:UTC for 1 hour
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:56) When the heck is SubPro?
Ā Ā hadia Elminiawi: (16:56) thank you All
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:56) Thanks everyoneĀ Ā there really is a LOT of great work being done in these calls IMO very encouraging I must say!!!Ā Ā Bye for now...
Ā Ā Abdulkarim Oloyede: (16:56) thanks
Ā Ā hadia Elminiawi: (16:56) bye
Ā Ā Abdulkarim Oloyede: (16:56) bye for today
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (16:56) Have a mean time in Greenwich!
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:56) Try running it as +11 UTC in the antipodeas
Ā Ā Marita Moll: (16:56) Yes, see you all next week
Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:56) BYe
Ā Ā Gordon Chillcott: (16:57) Thanks and bye for now.
Ā Ā Kaili Kan: (16:57) Thank you all.Ā Ā Bye!
Ā Ā Avri Doria: (16:57) bye, thanks
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (16:57)Ā Ā Thanks everyone - great discussino for sure