Zoom chat: 2024-04-03 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

16:32:56 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 03 April 2024 at 14:00 UTC.
16:33:04 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/IijxBQ
16:57:40 From Mutegeki Cliff Agaba to Everyone:
    Greetings to you all.
17:01:06 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    I like others such as Justine, are also in the COP-CCG Call
17:01:24 From Lilian Ivette to Everyone:
    Good morning everyone
17:01:48 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
    Replying to "I like others such a..."
    
    You and JC rock!
17:02:03 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
17:02:44 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Real time transcription (RTT) available at: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
17:06:40 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Olivier sounds clearer on Zoom to me
17:07:33 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
    Google doc for the CORD discussion: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kQzyDWRydL6r9lroP8LwMRIhwEqmvBEIHXxDcFX9GY8/edit?usp=sharing
17:08:20 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
    Thanks for your contributions, Hadia!
17:08:47 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thanks for your work on chairing the meetings, Hadia.
17:09:12 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
    Thank you Hadia!
17:09:17 From Mouloud Khelif to Everyone:
    Excellent, Thank you @Hadia’s iPhone Hadia and congrats @avri doria Avri !
17:09:18 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
    Welcome to your new role, Avri!
17:09:30 From Pari Esfandiari to Everyone:
    Thank you Hadia for great work
17:09:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Excellent news;@avri doria  perfect choice 
17:09:58 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
    Avri welcome as our new co-chair of the CPWG
17:09:59 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Thanks Hadia, and Congress Avri for stepping up !
17:10:02 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    Welcome to Avri as the new cohost of the cpwg
17:10:26 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
    The ICANN "no-spin" zone :-)
17:10:27 From Bukola Oronti to Everyone:
    Thank you Hadia for your active service and welcome back Avri
17:10:27 From Pari Esfandiari to Everyone:
    Arvi, great seeing you taking this role and thanks for your continuous contribution.
17:10:38 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Thank you Hadia and welcome Avri!!
17:10:39 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
    Renewbie! love it Arvi!
17:10:46 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus -- to Everyone:
    Welcome Avri
    
    Obviously Thanks a lot to Hadia for your great work.
17:10:50 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
    Thank you I have tremendously enjoyed my role with the CPWG team and ICANN support staff
17:11:13 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    And great appreciation goes to Hadia
17:11:14 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus -- to Everyone:
    Reacted to Thank you I have tre... with 
17:11:14 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone:
    Welcome back, Avri!
17:12:09 From Lilian Ivette to Everyone:
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17:12:35 From avri doria to Everyone:
    thanks all. happy to be back.
17:12:45 From Lilian Ivette to Everyone:
    great job @Hadia’s iPhone welcome @avri doria
17:12:55 From Lilian Ivette to Everyone:
    Reacted to "thanks all. happy to..." with 
17:12:59 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
    @Olivier Crépin-Leblond working closely with you was great. Avri was my mentor on an internet governance course some many years ago. Welcome Avri 

17:13:24 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Welcome back, Avri
17:14:11 From avri doria to Everyone:
    Thanks Hadia.      I hope to do as well as you did.      thanks for the great example.
17:14:16 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
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17:17:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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17:18:42 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    no problem same actually " Change of Registration data"
17:19:48 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
    some people with tablets might not be able to open the doc at the same time as Zoom - hence good to share here
17:21:21 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Agree with Jim Galvin on this.
17:21:44 From Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    @all  You should all be able to zoom into zoom with the new updates!
17:22:02 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    does it make sense to let them opt out?
17:22:30 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    @Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org it is very easy to do in a tablet but more difficult to do in a desktop or laptop
17:23:06 From Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Claudia Ruiz - ICAN..."
    
    Laptop very easy for some to zoom in also
17:24:19 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Claudia Ruiz - ICAN..."
    
    apologies I was not aware of being able to zoom in, in zoom. never used it.
17:29:00 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    That 30 day lock is perhaps the last speed bump to protect a registrant who has just had their domain name hijacked. That's part of the security idea. It stops a hijacked domain name being hopped across a number of registrars to make recovery difficult.
17:29:48 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    They do that with expired domain names.
17:30:20 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    A stolen or hijacked domain name is different from an expired domain name.
17:30:42 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Reacted to "A stolen or hijacked..." with 
17:35:11 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    Not really.  Some domains expired because end users were never notified as the company registering it did not inform the person who owned the domain.
17:35:31 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    There are some quick transfers options but they are often on the same registrar.
17:36:21 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    I know several end users who did not realize they used companies who did not register them properly and did not know they were transferred
17:38:07 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Replying to "Not really.  Some do..."
    
    generally register suppose to send notification certain period before expirer date to the registered registrant email addree
17:39:51 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    But is also the domain owner's responsability to know he should renew the domain.
17:40:13 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Sometimes a web developer will register a customer's domain name in their name rather than the customer's and this causes some problems with no e-mails being received.
17:40:20 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    also many times email contacts are not updated
17:40:27 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    @Laura Margolis yes that is true, but end users are not really  knowledgeable about this
17:40:45 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Sometimes a web deve…" with 
17:41:05 From Pari Esfandiari to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Sometimes a web deve..." with 
17:41:18 From Faheem Soomro to Everyone:
    Kindly share google DOC link
17:41:19 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    Replying to "Sometimes a web deve…"
    Exactly. That happened to several end users I know of and that is how they missed those emails and their domain got hijacked
17:41:20 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Is the googledoc set to comment-only?
17:41:49 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Replying to "Sometimes a web deve..."
    
    this happens a lot yes, but that is because owner doesn't know and trusts the designer. Many times designers end disappearing... and problems start
17:41:58 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Thank you @Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) will review the doc
17:42:32 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    Replying to "Sometimes a web deve…"
    @Laura Margolis exactly.  Happens often sad to say
17:42:33 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    @Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) you should retain edit rights to yourself, and let others have commenting rights
17:42:41 From avri doria to Everyone:
    comment only is pretty good. yes, much easier to track.
17:42:46 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
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17:42:48 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Replying to "Sometimes a web deve..."
    
    Happens a lot with "companies" being started by students during the summer holidays. They go back to school/college and forget about the company.
17:46:25 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) TKS. There are three concerns in the 60 Days Lock-in. They are: Security, Stability, Disputes. In the past if someone stole a domain, the malicious person would move the domain away from the owner's account, once the real owner complained and tracked his domain to a particular registrar, the malicious person transferred it again to another one. So, the lock-in should be longer. 30 days has always been counter - intuitive and experience for me. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
17:51:25 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Steinar Grøtterød (..."
    
    Thanks for the input @Gopal Tadepalli . The basic idea is that updated security requirements in the proposed Transfer Policy should reduce domain hijacking. Further - the number og hijacking is very low. In my view, 30 days post-registration and post-transfer lock is sufficient.
17:52:02 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Bill and Alan are on the other call
17:52:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Done deal for me
17:53:12 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    But I believe Bill and Alan mentioned last week, no change to the current draft statement on the String Similarity Review public comment.
17:53:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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17:54:19 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
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17:55:20 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Steinar Grøtterød (..."
    
    where can we see information on the number of hijackings?
17:57:13 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Sure. I'd like to come in from the angle of needing to retain registry commitments.
17:58:20 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
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17:58:25 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    We may need to push back against standardising RAs where it makes little sense to standardize.
17:59:41 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    In light of the community consultation on RVCs that took place up to ICANN79 and onward.
18:02:03 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    .MOBI was a great idea but Steve Jobs had a better one.
18:02:21 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Perhaps Andrew can research that
18:02:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    We also used to get regular updates from our Rep on the .Mobi Board
18:02:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Replying to "We also used to get ..."
    
    should be in ALAC meeting archives
18:04:20 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Reacted to "should be in ALAC me..." with 
18:06:10 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
    Can you please send details on that OFB call
18:06:50 From Andrew Chen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Replying to "Can you please send ..."
    
    Hi Michael, the agenda for the next OFB call on 4 April is linked here: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99691023/2024-04-04+Operations+Finance+and+Budget+Working+Group+OFB-WG+Call
18:07:01 From Andrew Chen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
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18:07:10 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone:
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18:07:53 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Lots of important stuff being discussed there!
18:08:01 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
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18:08:07 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
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18:08:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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18:08:09 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
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18:08:42 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Thank you all.
18:08:44 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Steinar Grøtterød (..."
    
    @Laura Margolis Some numbers/statistics was given by ICANN Compliance. I will find and distribute to the CPWG email list.
    Information from the registrars also indicate a very low number.
18:08:50 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    That call has finished
18:08:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    the clash was with the CIP-CWG  so up to 12 of us in the other call
18:09:01 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
    Replying to "Can you please send ..."
    
    Thank You!
18:09:11 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Steinar Grøtterød (..."
    
    Thank you @Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large)
18:09:25 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Thanks a lot
18:09:35 From Mouloud Khelif to Everyone:
    Thanks everyone
18:09:36 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Do note many will celebrate Eid
18:09:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Replying to "Do note many will ce..."
    
    indeed
18:09:53 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus -- to Everyone:
    Thank you all
18:10:00 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus -- to Everyone:
    Reacted to Do note many will ce... with 
18:10:05 From Mouloud Khelif to Everyone:
    Replying to "Do note many will ce..."
    
    Yes !
18:10:15 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
    Thank you all. Bye for now
18:10:40 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    I actually find summer time schedule to work better.  ;-)
18:10:42 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Calls should be stuck in UTC
18:10:48 From Pari Esfandiari to Everyone:
    some messages for today event were showing 14.00 utc.
18:10:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Eid is however a good thing to note
18:11:25 From Faheem Soomro to Everyone:
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18:11:29 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
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18:11:53 From Faheem Soomro to Everyone:
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18:12:08 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
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18:12:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Replying to "some messages for to..."
    
    It was 1400 UTC
18:12:16 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
    Bye everyon
18:12:21 From Bukola Oronti to Everyone:
    Thank you all
18:12:24 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
    Thanks and bye!
18:12:24 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
    See you tomorrow on OFB- WG
18:12:25 From Pari Esfandiari to Everyone:
    Thank you all.
18:12:25 From Harold Arcos to Everyone:
    Thanks all, bye bye
18:12:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
    Bye
18:12:36 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thanks and later all.
18:12:36 From Faheem Soomro to Everyone:
    Thank You all
18:12:39 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Thank you all!
18:12:40 From Waqar Ahmad--ICANN Fellow to Everyone:
    Thanks everyone.
18:12:41 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
    Replying to "Can you please send ..." 
    
     Thank you
18:12:45 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Thank you all, and advance EId gretting
18:12:45 From Hassenjee Ruhomally (At - Large) to Everyone:
    Good bye
18:12:51 From Lyndell St. Ville to Everyone:
    Bye