Zoom chat: 2024-03-20 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

16:33:19 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 20 March 2024 at 14:00 UTC.
16:33:29 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/zSHxBQ
17:02:01 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
    Hi everyone.... greetings to you all
17:02:07 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    A Happy Vernal Equinox to those who celebrate
17:02:15 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
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17:02:18 From Lilian Ivette De Luque to Everyone:
    Hello everyone
17:02:28 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
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17:02:58 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Afternoon, evening, morning all.
17:03:40 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    Welcome all
17:03:48 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Real time transcription (RTT) available at: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
17:06:32 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) to Everyone:
    Update on the GNSO-TPR at the end of the page
17:06:35 From Andrew Chen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Please note that an update on the TPR and IFR2 are in the comments section of today’s agenda
17:06:42 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Update on the GNSO-T..." with 
17:07:11 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Final African DNS Study is supposed to be published this month. No sign of it yet.
17:07:26 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Update on the GNSO-T..." with 
17:11:05 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    GDPR idiocy again?
17:11:29 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    and maybe  NOT replying all denial reason to the requesters
17:11:35 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    Sorry I was late
17:12:08 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
17:12:43 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Possible reason for mismatch: LEA requests might not be included?
17:18:39 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    We hear you well
17:22:39 From Alberto Soto to Everyone:
    Hi, sorry for coming in late. My Internet connection is very unstable. We had a big storm with flooding
17:25:17 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @Alan Greenberg (ALAC)  SUGGESTION: "The illusion of data validity: Why numbers about people are likely wrong", Data and Information Management, Volume 6, Issue 4,, 2022, Authors: Bernard J. Jansen, Joni  Salminen, Soon-gyo Jung, Hind Almerekhi,. Metrics will have to evolve within a given systemic framework. We need to add system behavior to accelerate the evolutionary process. Your advise please. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
17:27:32 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    I will take up the Draft Registry Service Provider Handbook public comment - to inform we need to comment.
17:28:16 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    It is Bill
17:29:33 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Perhaps the new version went upafter I retired for the evening.
17:30:09 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    You have 40 minutes
17:31:17 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    @Justine Chew potentially you can take 50 minutes
17:32:44 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @hadia Elminiawi Since there is no way of confirming that the earlier versions of the document are not accessible, we need to have a very clearing marking of the "latest" version that can never be unseen by a busy web visitor. Some unmissable label. Suggestion for consideration please.. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
17:36:17 From Alan Greenberg (ALAC) to Everyone:
    @Gopal, if you are referring to the String Similarity doc, the ICANN Public Comment page clearly includes both versions and the new version is annotated as a revised version.
17:36:31 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    Reacted to "@Gopal, if you are r..." with 
17:36:44 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Gopal, if you are r..."
    
    Thank you Alan for the clarification
17:38:07 From Muriel ALAPINI to Everyone:
    Good afternoon all, my name is Muriel ALAPINI and am a newcbie in ICANN works. I want to volunteer with the team that worked on the applicant guideline book to start learning. Thank you
17:39:43 From Andrew Chen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Gopal, if you are r..."
    
    Hi @Gopal Tadepalli please see the following link for both versions of the draft string similarity guidelines.  https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/string-similarity-review-guidelines-07-02-2024
17:39:57 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Hi @Gopal Tadepalli ..." with 
17:40:16 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    HI Muriel—great to see you.  Come to the OFB meeting tomorrow as we cover many of the operations issues, strategic planning, and the multi stakeholder model
17:40:31 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    Reacted to "HI Muriel—great to s..." with 
17:42:15 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    @Muriel ALAPINI, Welcome let’s tell the team when Justine finishes the presentation.
17:43:17 From Muriel ALAPINI to Everyone:
    Reacted to "HI Muriel—great to s..." with 
17:43:55 From Muriel ALAPINI to Everyone:
    Thank you Ms Judith
17:43:58 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    @Justine Chew okay
17:44:05 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Gopal, if you are r..."
    
    TKS.
17:44:08 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    sure
17:45:30 From Muriel ALAPINI to Everyone:
    Reacted to "@Muriel ALAPINI, Wel..." with 
17:46:01 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The ICANN fee really should be linked in some way to the economic conditions of the applicant's target market.
17:47:05 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    An applicant would be assuiming a lot more debt just for the privilege of losing more money.
17:47:26 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    contradictory yes
17:49:15 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Gopal, if you are r..."
    
    I wish that we have a couple of labels "Current" and "Current - 1"labels to avoid the potential extremely similarly structured documents ..document level confusables.
17:51:29 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Is the balance intended to be paid immediately to ICANN or will it be spread out over a long period?
17:51:53 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    yes, what happens after with operations and running of the tld? its part of the same..
17:55:02 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    +1 Avri
17:56:17 From iPhone Vanda Abes to Everyone:
    My understanding is similar to you Avri
17:57:30 From Carlton Samuels to Everyone:
    Question, given the catalog of financial criteria, do we honestly believe that a small/micro business in a less-developed economy can play here? {Disclosure: I live and work in a jurisdiction with a lot of those. I also serve on 2 boards of companies that could be so classified and 1, as a medium enterprise.]
17:57:42 From Samik Kharel to Everyone:
    Still confusing, how would you measure the social capital, the ability to raise funds?
17:58:22 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @Alan Greenberg (ALAC) Andrew Chen and I were on one-on-one chat. It is just that the documents after they are downloaded to my machine will not confuse me. They cannot be expected to be read on the screen due to the number of pages. Suggest: "Current" and "Currrent - 1" may be prominent labels to avoid potential document structure level confusable. I think one-on-one chats disappear automatically - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
18:00:55 From Phyo to Everyone:
    This is Phyo who is a part of small team. It seems I need to jump into the another call. So, please leave me the message here. Especially, we also talked about financial hardship definitions whether it is indicating long-term or short-term financial hardship records. Thanks Justin and all.
18:02:26 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Many thanks. I am leaving now.
18:02:55 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    Thank you Gopal for your participation and contribution
18:03:34 From iPhone Vanda Abes to Everyone:
    Thanks Justine
18:03:49 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Some of these applicants will be targeting under developed markets and recovering the costs of applying will be difficult to say the least. The number of registrations in the first year of operation might struggle to break 10K depending on the pricing. These applicants will be very brave to to launch gTLDs against such odds.
18:05:07 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
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18:06:43 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    @Justine Chew makes sense
18:08:27 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
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18:09:51 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    Go ahead
18:16:52 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    how could it be identity not affiliated with political parties?
18:17:32 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
    There are significant variation between countries regarding what constitutes "direct political engagement".
18:17:56 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    @Justine Chew I find it a reasonable suggestion
18:18:20 From Faheem Soomro to Everyone:
    Reacted to "There are significan…" with 
18:19:15 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    There's a lot of overlap between politics and NGOs/non-profits etc. It is a very tricky problem to solve.
18:19:26 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Reacted to "There's a lot of ove..." with 
18:19:30 From Samik Kharel to Everyone:
    @Satish My concern is the same , how do we clearly define it
18:19:46 From Samik Kharel to Everyone:
    Quite tricky
18:20:18 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Replying to "There's a lot of ove..."
    
    not only that after work to follow-up might also need to indicate
18:20:25 From Mabda H. F. Sidiq to Everyone:
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18:20:40 From Mabda H. F. Sidiq to Everyone:
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18:20:53 From Barkha Manral to Everyone:
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18:23:14 From Carlton Samuels to Everyone:
    Replying to "There's a lot of ove..."
    
    Where we live almost every non-profit or charity address some situation that resolves to a gap in the *public policy* . One very significant aspect of the NGO's existence is continuous advocacy for policy change. It is difficulet, at best, to draw a line between that and political action.
18:24:10 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Replying to "There's a lot of ove..."
    
    Of course and each country has its own ones..
18:25:55 From Mabda H. F. Sidiq to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Where we live almost..." with 
18:26:52 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    5.5.5 seems to be totally disconnected from the reality of business. Small and Micro businesses are, by definition, small and some of those would be considered large organisations in developing markets. Small registries might even quaify under *all* of those conditions.
18:27:22 From Samik Kharel to Everyone:
    I believe there should be a template document rather than a narrative statement. Makes it easier for the verifiers to decide.
18:27:51 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
    A template would make sense in this context.
18:29:32 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Good work , Thanks small team and Justine
18:29:41 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Thank you Justine!
18:29:56 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    Great presentation
18:30:12 From avri doria to Everyone:
    there are some poor IGO that serve those in need.  so maybe there could be one that was deserving.
18:30:13 From Muriel ALAPINI to Everyone:
18:30:18 From Bukola Oronti to Everyone:
    Thank you Justine for the presentation
18:30:47 From Muriel ALAPINI to Everyone:
    ok
18:30:58 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
    Thanks to the small team for the very detailed presentation.
18:31:34 From Mabda H. F. Sidiq to Everyone:
    Thank you Justine and thanks everyone for the comments, super helpful
18:32:00 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    @Andrew Chen - ICANN Org and @Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org thank you
18:32:15 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Replying to "Good afternoon all, ..."
    
    Oh. I see your comment now. Well, the team that worked on the Draft ASP Handbook is ICANN org, but with support from the community Implementation Review Team.
18:32:19 From iPhone Vanda Abes to Everyone:
    Thanks Hadia and all for this very useful meeting haver s nice week
18:32:21 From Faheem Soomro to Everyone:
    Thank you everyone
18:32:23 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Thank you all
18:32:32 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
    Thank you all bye for now
18:32:32 From Samik Kharel to Everyone:
    Thanks everyone.
18:32:33 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Thank you Hadia!
18:32:34 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Replying to "Good afternoon all, ..."
    
    So it's the IRT that you might want to join.
18:32:37 From Muriel ALAPINI to Everyone:
    bye
18:32:43 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thanks and later all.