Zoom chat: 2023-03-01 ​​At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

15:34:04 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 01 March 2023 at 13:00 UTC.
15:34:14 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/6-HwBQ
15:55:47 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Hello all, welcome!
15:59:58 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone:
    Good morning, afternoon, evening to all!
16:00:22 From Hadia El Miniawi (ALAC-Member) to Everyone:
    Herllo all
16:00:29 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Hello!
16:00:30 From Carlos Dionisio Aguirre to Everyone:
    hi all !
16:00:57 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to Everyone:
  
16:01:21 From Alberto Soto to Everyone:
    Hi all from Buenos Aires!!
16:01:29 From Isaac Maposa to Everyone:
    Hi everyone.
16:01:32 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Welcome!
16:02:24 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
16:02:30 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:02:47 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ICANN ALAC to Everyone:
    Hello everyone
16:04:16 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Afternoon/Evening/Morning all
16:11:46 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
    @Alan optimistic as usual !
16:12:10 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @Steinar: Thank you for the work. Suggestion:  Kindly include some specifications for "Upward Compatibility" on the policy changes mooted. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
16:14:27 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
    Replying to "@Steinar: Thank you ..."
    
    Hi Gobal. Can you send your question to the mailing list and include what charter question this refers to?
    Thanks in advance
16:15:56 From avri doria to Everyone:
    I would not define the Board's Framework as doing ICANN public Interest but as defining it from an ICANN perspective. It is a narrow perspective..
16:19:52 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
    I have the fear that By definning the  PI from ICANN perspective  we are going to limit more and more the ICANN role in the ecosystem, and the use of out scope pretext will be used more and more, hope that I'm Wrong!
16:21:34 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @Alan Greenberg & @Greg Shatan: Thank you. I look forward to further discussions, Can we define "ICANN Reserved Words" in the category of "Closed Generics"? - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
16:22:56 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Here is the Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y6F2WO0bO1r03pyGSH4xNm19DVYaMjvX1ZDZ9IsFkv8/edit
16:30:48 From Betty Fausta to Everyone:
    thank you @Chantelle D.
16:33:38 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    I believe there are issues with how Spanish speakers treat diacritics, just as there are in the French language examples
16:34:46 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Thank you Hadia, we’ll transfer the draft into the statement template and update the URL
16:35:16 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @Satish & @ Hadia: TKS. FYI : I have been making some observations on Indian Scripts in the UA Measurement Working Group on and off. You may find them useful. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
16:35:40 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    It is all probably going to result in more costs for the end users and brand owners. They'll have to protect their domain names in variants. (The .CO ccTLD would have been a good example of that activity though not technically a variant.)
16:35:49 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    I need to move those over
16:36:25 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    @John, but it's a great opportunity for the contracted parties to register defensive variants for lots of registrants.
16:36:39 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Absolutely correct Olivier, thank you for mentioning that
16:37:24 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Bill True but those don't always work out and may drop. The .UK second level experience showed that.
16:38:36 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Bill It gets down to a demand issue. If there's no real demand then registrants won't bother paying.
16:38:43 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    RFC: Using a Domain Name ought not to be expensive. Making it work for the specified goal needs to be looked into by the one who specifies the goal. IMHO, it is "Resilience" we need to assure. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
16:39:08 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    @John, absolutely.  But the ability to sell defensive registrations is the ONLY benefit to anyone that I can see to the current approach to variants
16:39:13 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Here is the ICANN org’s session on SubPro (Sunday, 12 March, 09-10 EST): https://icann76.sched.com/event/1J4ZL/subsequent-procedures-subpro-issues-and-next-steps
16:39:29 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    “The program team will facilitate a panel discussion with several Board members to discuss next steps in the implementation of SubPro Final Report recommendations that the Board may approve in Cancun, the discussion will also address some issues from the Final Report, as detailed in the ODA.”
16:39:43 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Bill the Intellectual Property people will both love and hate that. :)
16:40:05 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    @John, there may be little demand initially.  Right up to the moment when someone uses a supposed non-variant for DNS abuse on a major financial institution
16:41:17 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Bill Possibly. But there are methods of dealing with that kind of abuse. The bulk of brand protection is actually small businesses without their own trademark registering their domain name in a TLD.
16:46:06 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @John McCormac: I have nothing against business instincts. However, to my mind IPR is a negative right. It clearly states that "this CANNOT" be used by others. Most IPR holders may have to flow more of their strengths to ensure that. Being prudent to mention that "open" is not only saying "Yes". - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INIDA
16:49:13 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Gopal IPR (trademarks) often cover specific classes so someone using a trademark term in a different class is possible. With variants, the bulk of registrations being protected by a registration in the variant would be small business names without trademark protection. The .EU landrush/Sunrise showed the absolutely negative effects of the legislation not being in place and a registry being unprepared.
16:49:31 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
    I’m in the subway, so I will probably lose you all.
16:52:15 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone:
    Apologies, have to take care of personal business. Bye!
16:52:28 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Thank you Greg and Alfredo
16:52:49 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Gopal The .UK second level launch would be a good case study in how a variant might work because original registrants in .co.uk or .org.uk had first choice on .uk registrations.
16:54:04 From avri doria to Everyone:
    I think most of your advice issues are in the pending list.
16:54:58 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Gopal That kind of first choice option also limits a potential market and takes a lot of domain names off the market for a few years.
16:55:50 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Gopal And many of the doms will be redirected to their registrant's .co.ul domain name. That redirect activity would also happen in a variant.
16:57:09 From avri doria to Everyone:
    when thinking,  also suggest looking at the final column of the dependency doc that was given to g-council where we list target dates when we would like to have resolved an issue by.
16:58:02 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Righto, thanks Avri!
16:58:55 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Replying to "I think most of your..."
    
    Thank you, Avri, for confirming this.
17:02:41 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    For the ICANN76 At-Large welcome session, we’ll ask for volunteers to complete the individual session reports.
17:03:30 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Replying to "I think most of your..."
    
    @John : The most popular business model for the web is "Iterative". Hit the market first and then iterative as much as the short life cycle makes it affordable. I empathize. Being an academic why not go to the web first may give better handles. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
17:05:48 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Here is the link to the Talking Points slide deck: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1G3tCu16ECXXK9oAjpBrr_9t1d4acMYNw/edit#slide=id.g13a650ba2ec_0_31
17:06:22 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Gopal That's the idea behind many of the new gTLDs. The problem is that new TLDs need a core of small businesses to start using these TLDs and developing websites. Variants will have a high level of brand protection registrations and as such they may turn into a truck stop or gateway TLD in that the domain names will be used to redirect users to the registrant's main website in another TLD. The .EU has more redirects to other TLDs than developed websites.
17:06:40 From Jahangir Hossain to Everyone:
    Replying to "Here is the link to ..." 
    
     Thanks
17:09:24 From Seb Bachollet to Everyone:
    Not only staff will be traveling
17:09:30 From Alberto Soto to Everyone:
    Dear, I have another meeting. Bye bye!
17:09:52 From Seb Bachollet to Everyone:
    No meeting usually during the week after an icann meeting
17:10:11 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Gopal The variant model would work in markets with large populations that are currently relying on a Latin character set TLD. However, variants would need some analysis of the size of the potential markets.
17:10:17 From Hadia El Miniawi (ALAC-Member) to Everyone:
    Sounds good.
17:10:47 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Late Night Radio DJ
17:10:58 From Mouloud Khelif to Everyone:
    Thanks everyone I really have to go 
17:11:02 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Thanks
17:11:30 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
    Thank you Olivier and all
17:11:36 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
    Thanks and bye!
17:11:38 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Yay! No 5am!
17:11:40 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Thank you Olivier and Hadia, all. Safe travels to those going to ICANN76.
17:11:44 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Next Meeting: Wednesday, 29 March, 19 UTC
17:11:45 From Hadia El Miniawi (ALAC-Member) to Everyone:
    Thank you all bye for today
17:11:46 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thanks and later all.
17:12:04 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
    Have a great day everyone, stay safe and be kind.
17:12:24 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @John: Nice comments. While all this happens, we need to get the systems make them appear always happening. TKS all. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
17:12:47 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
    bye all
17:12:50 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Thanks all!
17:13:02 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
    Safe travel to ICANN76