AC Chat: 2018-10-31 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

Claudia Ruiz: (10/31/2018 12:23) Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call on Wednesday, 31 October 2018 at 20:00 UTC

Claudia Ruiz: (12:23) https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/vPfvBQ

Evin Erdogdu: (12:39) Hello all - welcome back from ICANN63!

Christopher Wilkinson: (12:57) Good evening everyone. CW

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (12:57) morning from me

Jonathan Zuck: (13:00) DelBianco will connect at 20:10

Christopher Wilkinson: (13:01) lovely tune

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:02) hello all

Vanda Scartezini: (13:04) hi everybody

Claudia Ruiz: (13:04) Welcome Vanda Scartezini

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (13:05) mute is a terrific thing people

Vanda Scartezini: (13:05) hi Claudia

Mohamed Elbashir: (13:05) Hello Everyone

Holly Raiche: (13:06) I haveto leave this meeting in 45 minutes

Holly Raiche: (13:06) Great

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:06) ok great

Claudia Ruiz: (13:11) Welcome Steve DelBianco

Claudia Ruiz: (13:11) Welcome Harold Arcos

Steve DelBianco: (13:11) Am I here too early?

Jonathan Zuck: (13:11) You're fine. We just took a bit to get going and had to move Holly up

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:12) Hi Steve, no not early just on time

Harold Arcos: (13:12) Thanks Claudia, Hi evryone,

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:12) Hi Harold

Claudia Ruiz: (13:12) Welcome Juan Manuel Rojas

Juan Manuel Rojas: (13:13) Thanks

Harold Arcos: (13:13) Hi @Hadia, nice to greet you again,

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:14) :)

Evin Erdogdu: (13:16) A new PC (opened yesterday, workspace en route): Supplemental Initial Report on the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Policy Development Process (Overarching Issues & Work Tracks 1-4)

Jonathan Zuck: (13:17) Thanks Evin, we'll pick that up next week.

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (13:20) yes we are thevPDPn'gift' that keeps on giving... WT5 INITIAL Report out soon....

Claudia Ruiz: (13:20) Welcome Greg Shatan

Claudia Ruiz: (13:20) Welcome Joel Thayer

Jonathan Zuck: (13:21) Let's have DelBianco go next

Vanda Scartezini: (13:21) welcome Steve...waiting to hear your thoughts

Evin Erdogdu: (13:21) Thank you @Holly

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:22) @Olivier sure

Holly Raiche: (13:23) I have had a look at the CCT Report and will put text in the wiki page within the next few days. Happily, the date for comment is late in November

Alan Greenberg: (13:23) Steve is an alternate on the EPDP.

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:23) great work steve and Derek

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (13:23) WELCOME Steve

Holly Raiche: (13:24) True, that meeting was, what we call, a dog's breakfast

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:25) @holly very messy

Holly Raiche: (13:25) Indeed, VERY messy

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:26) @Steve sure could and should happen

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (13:27) The diagram is on: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/download/attachments/99612604/EPDP-TempSpec%20and%20UAM%20overview.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1541008217000&api=v2

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (13:27) for anyone unable to see the AC screen correctly

Claudia Ruiz: (13:37) Welcome Glenn McKnight

Glenn McKnight: (13:38) Thanks Claudia

Glenn McKnight: (13:38) Just saw the notice on Skype

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (13:40) @Glenn: the decision to have the call was very short notice - but so much has happened, we could not wait one week until our next call

Holly Raiche: (13:40) Folks- sorry but I have to leave this call. I"ll read the transcript laer

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (13:41) ok Holly -- thanks for letting us know about the RDS-WHOIS2

Jonathan Zuck: (13:41) Sorry!

Glenn McKnight: (13:43) its too bad we don't have captioning , I have a poor connection so the audio is very poor

Greg Shatan: (13:44) Hadia’s audio is a bit unclear.

Claudia Ruiz: (13:44) @Glenn - would you like a dial out?

Glenn McKnight: (13:45) As Greg stated it was Hada audio, I can understand Jon

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (13:45) Hadia needs to speak a little further from the mic

Glenn McKnight: (13:45) I think she audio is echo and the speaking too close to the reciever doesnt help

Jonathan Zuck: (13:46) What if it just says "Access Model" instead of assuming there will be a unified model under ICANN. Dunno.

Greg Shatan: (13:46) Agree with JZ

Jonathan Zuck: (13:46) show the UAM is one possibility on the right hand side instead of a given

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:47) yes sure let ICANN talk about it now - we tlak abou it later

Steve DelBianco: (13:48) Agree, Greg.

Claudia Ruiz: (13:48) @Hadia- would you like a dial out? Your audio is a bit muffled.

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:49) ok yes claudia thanks

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:49) +201003300867

Steve DelBianco: (13:50) @Greg -- you're right that the UAM might not actually involve policy. It could be ICANN compliance with the law

Greg Shatan: (13:50) Someone has an open line, but is not speaking.

Greg Shatan: (13:51) I am a mere Observer of the EPDP (and the Human Condition).

Claudia Ruiz: (13:52) Welcome Humberto Arthos

Greg Shatan: (13:53) Put “Discussion Draft 31 Oct 2018” on the top

Greg Shatan: (13:54) Agree that Rr/Ry’s would be the better “publisher.”

Greg Shatan: (13:56) Who is the bull in this metaphor?

Greg Shatan: (13:56) There was at least a hint in prior correspondence from the EPDB that something like this would be welcomed.

Jonathan Zuck: (13:57) Not even sure it would be US who did that. Could be anyone so it's just about us supporting it.

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (13:57) audio?

Jonathan Zuck: (13:57) Hadia is starting to celebrate halloween!

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (13:57) oops I was going to say that Hadia's voice was much better but now a major problem with the CODEC

Alan Greenberg: (13:57) Bull elephant?

Greg Shatan: (13:58) Also, it is possible to make a reasoned legal analysis of the model.

Greg Shatan: (13:58) Someone slowed down the tape....

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (13:59) ok steve that sounds good

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:00) we need an ICANNLeaks to release this diagram anonymously

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (14:01) thanks indeed

Glenn McKnight: (14:01) Thanks

Evin Erdogdu: (14:01) Thank you @Steve

Vanda Scartezini: (14:01) thank you !!

Steve DelBianco: (14:01) Thanks for allowing me to present. Bye for now.

Claudia Ruiz: (14:01) @Oliver- Hadia is back

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:02) Thanks @Claudia

Greg Shatan: (14:04) The “get everyone on the bus” approach to the ePDP will crash the bus.

Greg Shatan: (14:05) everyone = every issue ever thought of about WHOIS.

Greg Shatan: (14:07) Merely replicating all of the foibles of a regular working group twice as fast is not the recipe for success.

Vanda Scartezini: (14:09) totally agree with ALan..

Greg Shatan: (14:10) Audio?

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (14:10) lost her

Greg Shatan: (14:11) Saammmmeeee pppprrrooobbblllleeemmmm

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:11) terrible again

Greg Shatan: (14:11) The solution for Hadia’s audio issue was worse than the problem....

Claudia Ruiz: (14:14) Hadia is back '

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (14:15) i was cut off again

Vanda Scartezini: (14:15) i lost her

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (14:15) gremlins

Vanda Scartezini: (14:15) maybe she can write

Greg Shatan: (14:15) Should go back to the first method, which was at least stable.

Mohamed Elbashir: (14:15) @Hadia you might try to use a fixed line if you are using a mobile line

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (14:18) Ok Mohamed thanks for the advice - I am now on adobe connect but the voice is extremely fade

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:20) @Greg: the NCSG is saying that the ALAC is actually not taking the needs of end users into account

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (14:20) indeed Jz

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:21) It's two very different perspectives of the same problem

Greg Shatan: (14:22) OCL, I see no factual basis for that statement.

Greg Shatan: (14:23) Of course, those actually fighting cyber abuse beg to differ with the NCSG view.

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (14:23) @Olivier so why does the NCSG think that we are not looking after the interests of the end users

Greg Shatan: (14:26) Registrants have numerous reasons why they would want access to the RDS data of other registrants. The registrant view is not cut and dried. The privacy advocacy view is much clearer....

Alan Greenberg: (14:26) Sience!

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (14:26) sigh

Greg Shatan: (14:26) Silence or Science, Alan?

Greg Shatan: (14:27) @CLO, breathe....

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (14:27) trying @ Greg

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (14:28) ALAC is trying to find the balance between the protection of privacy and the right to have a safe secure and stable internet which is what the NCSG fail to acknowledge

Greg Shatan: (14:29) Complying with GDPR should provide one half of that balance....

Vanda Scartezini: (14:30) thanks Chris

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (14:32) @Greg the other half depends on us - but the NCSG are not allowing it to happen - the whole Internet community is losing because of their short sight

Greg Shatan: (14:35) Time to drink Absinthe in the back corner of a darkened bar....

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (14:36) certainly a plan @Greg

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (14:41) going to get a sugar cube @Greg

Christopher Wilkinson: (14:41) Well actually Brazil etc.

Vanda Scartezini: (14:42) yeah argentina has nothing related to amazon but the example is ok

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:42) corrected for the record

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (14:45) @greg well said

Greg Shatan: (14:48) Olga’s leadership on the .Amazon issue can lead to the assumption that the Amazon flows through Argentina. :-)

Vanda Scartezini: (14:48) because she was vicechair of GAC when this started touching GAC

Greg Shatan: (14:48) Chris, that’s a fundamental fact of gTLD policy development. If you can’t agree to change a policy, it doesn’t change.

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (14:49) I am working from the PDP Charter @CW. this is an opportunity to propose changes where lacking is noted

Greg Shatan: (14:49) That should incentivize those who dislike the 2012/2007 model to compromise and get some movement....

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (14:50) you would think so @Greg

Greg Shatan: (14:50) That’s not what cybersquatting is....

Greg Shatan: (14:51) How to break the logjam, Christopher?

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (14:51) Thank you christopher

Christopher Wilkinson: (14:55) "Greg I am aware that US law defines cyubersquatting as limited to trademarks.- Thate is not the usual use elsewhere.

Greg Shatan: (14:57) Can you refer me to sources for the “usual use elsewhere”? My Internet search is boringly consistent with what you call the US law definition.

Greg Shatan: (14:58) Perhaps my search engine (Bing, in this case...) is too US-centric.

Evin Erdogdu: (14:58) Thank you @Mohamed

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (14:58) Thank you Mohamed

Alan Greenberg: (14:59) I note that this call was scheduled for 90 minutes.. It is unclear from the agenda what the target was because some items have a time and others a blank. We are now at 2 hours. Going forward to all us to allocate our time, please let's sync.

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (14:59) I did step forward on that

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (15:00) unified access model

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (15:00) and try not to clash with other calls

Greg Shatan: (15:01) Such a thirst for policy discussion should be satisfied, but not by busting the clock...

Vanda Scartezini: (15:02) thanks all

Greg Shatan: (15:02) Morning being 1300?

Vanda Scartezini: (15:02) need to leave

Greg Shatan: (15:03) CLO! Oh my...

Cheryl Langdon-orr (CLO): (15:03) bye for now...Thanks everyone...

Gordon Chillcott: (15:03) Thanks and bye for now

Mohamed Elbashir: (15:03) Thanks, Bye

Greg Shatan: (15:03) Bye all!

Kaili Kan: (15:03) Productive meeting. Thank you all. Bye!

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (15:03) i missed the part where greg talked about the UAM

Hadia Elminiawi - ALAC: (15:03) bye

Evin Erdogdu: (15:03) Goodbye all!

Harold Arcos: (15:03) thanks to all,,bye

Greg Shatan: (15:04) I mercifully did not discuss UAM

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (15:04) @Hadia -- good point

Greg Shatan: (15:04) Will go to the list

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (15:04) please Greg and sorry for cutting it out but we really ran out of time badly