Zoom chat: 2023-12-20 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

16:34:03 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 20 December 2023 at 14:00 UTC.
16:34:13 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/ixLxBQ
16:53:04 From CAPTIONER Kara Valor To Everyone:
    Captions are up and running :)
16:54:44 From Hervé Hounzandji To Everyone:
    bonjour
16:58:44 From Mouloud Khelif To Everyone:
    Hello everyone! Greetings from Geneva
16:59:21 From Alfredo Calderon To Everyone:
    Hi @Mouloud Khelif and others on the call.
17:02:55 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Afternoon, Evening, Morning all.
17:04:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    Listen only mode. I am in the APS  call
17:05:07 From Fidya Shabrina To Everyone:
    Greetings everyone
17:05:27 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Real time transcription (RTT) available at: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
17:05:57 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Action Items: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=99695175
17:07:04 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
    Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
17:07:11 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Welcome to the final CPWG call of 2023!
17:09:21 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Looks like the Africa DNS study won't be out until 2024. Been doing some research on the hosting market in Africa and it is amazing how much of it is hosted outside of Africa. (Down to the last 2.14% of gTLD doms to classify now.)
17:09:22 From Claire Craig To Everyone:
    Replying to "Welcome to the final..."
    
    Thank you Heidi!
17:10:03 From Jonathan Zuck To Everyone:
    Replying to "Looks like the Afric..."
    
    Is that really surprising?
17:10:43 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Replying to "Looks like the Afric..."
    
    Not really. But it is the scale of the market in that there's a lot of small hosters but only a few large registrars.
17:10:57 From Mouloud Khelif To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Looks like the Afric…" with 
17:11:05 From Mouloud Khelif To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Welcome to the final…" with 
17:11:41 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Replying to "Looks like the Afric..."
    
    Some hosters have around 50 gTLD doms or so but there's a lot of them.
17:12:26 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Replying to "Looks like the Afric..."
    
    The WHOIS privacy issue is a major problem and there are serious problems with WHOIS accuracy with some hosters intentionally filng "creative" WHOIS data.
17:12:27 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond To Everyone:
    Replying to "Looks like the Afric..."
    
    bandwidth is still very expensive in Africa
17:12:47 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Replying to "Looks like the Afric..."
    
    True. There's also the hosting infrastructure.
17:13:08 From Shah Rahman To Everyone:
    Replying to "Looks like the Afric..."
    
    indeed ,
17:13:25 From Lutz Donnerhacke To Everyone:
    The lower the Impact, the more extensive is the discussion
17:13:27 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond To Everyone:
    Replying to "Looks like the Afric..."
    
    hosting elsewhere makes sense when it comes to DoS attacked etc. Besides, many also use AWS, Azure etc. And none of these huge hosting providers have local nodes in Africa except perhaps in South Africa.
17:14:29 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Replying to "Looks like the Afric..."
    
    AWS has a South Africa range. There's approx. 285K local gTLDs there but a lot of the AWS sites bring it up to about 1M.
17:15:31 From Shah Rahman To Everyone:
    @Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) actual complain no may be more in reality, becasue many of user doesn't aware how to raise complain  to icann , specially from developing countries those are taking service from re-sellers.
17:16:00 From Jonathan Zuck To Everyone:
    Let’s not INSPIRE legislation
17:16:17 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Let’s not INSPIRE le..." with 
17:16:36 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
    Replying to "Let’s not INSPIRE le..."
    
    Regulators are working overtime to create new legislation
17:16:42 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Replying to "Let’s not INSPIRE le..."
    
    It is going to be fun watching the EU consolidate their aspirations about DNS owners with reality.
17:16:59 From Barkha Manral To Everyone:
    Reacted to "@Steinar Grøtterød (…" with 
17:17:09 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
    +1 Michael
17:17:14 From Jonathan Zuck To Everyone:
    I’m AGREEING with you, Michael
17:17:17 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Replying to "Let’s not INSPIRE le..."
    
    Whoever advised them hadn't a clue about the DNS, its structure and ownership.
17:17:51 From Michael Palage To Everyone:
    @Jonathan Zuck - you always keep me honest :-)
17:19:46 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    The large ccTLD registrars have thick WHOIS and this means that they can handle it differently.
17:20:56 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    It is comparing apples and oranges when it comes to comparing gTLD policy with ccTLD (some) policy.
17:21:18 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
    Siva- whether ICANN wants or not, companies and orgs have to adhere
17:21:29 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
    to national laws
17:23:46 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    @Michael Palage It is going to be a mess. The scale of it is the only thing unknown at the moment.
17:24:47 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
    @Sivasubramanian M Systemically, we ought not to design 100% foolproof systems. Gaps are not the concern, monitoring them is. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
17:25:50 From Sivasubramanian M To Everyone:
    Yes Amrita, but over the last 10 years we have come a long way from minimal Internet Governance to rather affirmative national, regional regulatory Governance
17:26:11 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    It might need a working group to examine how it is being implemented throughout the EU.
17:26:30 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
    Replying to "Yes Amrita, but over..."
    
    Because issues are growing . We have more Internet users too than 10 years ago
17:26:41 From Shah Rahman To Everyone:
    Reacted to "It might need a work..." with 
17:27:28 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
    Replying to "Yes Amrita, but over..."
    
    People are using online services, websites more.
17:27:34 From Jonathan Zuck To Everyone:
    Indeed and “fixed” in a way we might not like. GDPR is one of the most poorly written pieces of legislation ever!
17:27:50 From Barkha Manral To Everyone:
    Reacted to "People are using onl…" with 
17:28:52 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond To Everyone:
    you are very right, Alan. Some *wanted* legislation in order to reduce their liability
17:29:43 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond To Everyone:
    the only concern is that national legislation has an international impact and this might lead to unwanted fragmentation
17:29:55 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
    Reacted to "the only concern is ..." with 
17:30:09 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) To Everyone:
    @Alan Greenberg (ALAC) +1 ICANN deliberately leading to this no
17:30:19 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Replying to "the only concern is ..."
    
    It is already happening. It really needs to be a major topic for 2024.
17:31:13 From Fidya Shabrina To Everyone:
    Reacted to "It is already happen..." with 
17:31:36 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) To Everyone:
    Thank you Satish it is my pleasure to continue with you and AK
17:31:52 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
    Reacted to "Thank you Satish it ..." with 
17:33:53 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) To Everyone:
    Replying to "@Steinar Grøtterød (..."
    
    I agree with you that ICANN Compliance is - for many, totally unknown. The majority of complains are routed to their registrar/reseller and the majority are solved there.
17:34:20 From Fidya Shabrina To Everyone:
    Replying to "the only concern is ..."
    
    Definitely looking forward on what is to come. Regional speaking, APAC will be having a DNS forum, July 2024.
17:34:55 From Barkha Manral To Everyone:
    Reacted to "the only concern is …" with 
17:35:07 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    The NIS2 problem has effectively crossed the streams on the ICANN gTLD registrations issue and hosting issue. The DNS exists in both worlds but ICANN's gTLD remit is a liability in terms of exposure to NIS2. There has to be some serious examination of how NIS2 is being implemented and its impact on not just EU hosters and registrants but also on hosters and registrants hosting in the EU.

17:37:14 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Replying to "the only concern is ..."
    
17:44:45 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) To Everyone:
    Thank you Satish for the comprehensive update
17:45:07 From Mouloud Khelif To Everyone:
    Thanks Satish
17:45:30 From Shah Rahman To Everyone:
    good number
17:45:32 From Hervé Hounzandji To Everyone:
    thanks Satish
17:45:42 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) To Everyone:
    @Satish Babu you have provided a very clear update
17:48:45 From Jonathan Zuck To Everyone:
    Nothing substantive yet
17:49:46 From Jonathan Zuck To Everyone:
    I’ve heard UNOFFICIALLY that the Board will likely support our position on Closed Generics
17:50:06 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    The OFB-WG has already discussed the two budget items.
17:50:27 From Dr. Adebunmi AKINBO To Everyone:
    Reacted to Thank you Satish for... with
17:50:39 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Ricardo is the lead for the budget items. The OFB-WG will hold another meeting tomorrow, including a discussion of these two public comments.
17:52:15 From Claire Craig To Everyone:
    Replying to "Ricardo is the lead ..."
    
    Did Hadia call on me for something? There was a lot of noise and I thought I heard my name, but did not hear the question
17:52:49 From Judith Hellerstein To Everyone:
    Replying to "Ricardo is the lead …"
    It was just on the OFB meeting for tomorrow
17:53:35 From Mouloud Khelif To Everyone:
    Reacted to "I’ve heard UNOFFICIA…" with 
17:53:49 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) To Everyone:
    Finishing early today - Happy Holidays
17:53:54 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Replying to "Ricardo is the lead ..."
    
    A lot of the African ccTLDs that were run by Freenom have been moved back to their local registries so it is a very different domain landscape from that when the RFP for the study was published.
17:54:04 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah To Everyone:
    Reacted to Finishing early toda... with 
17:54:07 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah To Everyone:
    Reacted to Finishing early toda... with 
17:54:08 From Mouloud Khelif To Everyone:
    Thanks everyone, happy holiday season
17:54:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    Reacted to Finishing early toda... with 
17:54:28 From Hervé Hounzandji To Everyone:
    10th
17:54:34 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah To Everyone:
    10th
17:54:35 From Shah Rahman To Everyone:
    2nd week
17:54:35 From Claire Craig To Everyone:
    10th many be better
17:54:38 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    10th. (Seasons greetings to all.)
17:54:51 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
    Thanks everyone. Happy holidays everyone!
17:54:54 From Steinar Grøtterød (At-Large) To Everyone:
    No GNSO-TPR meeting before Jan 9, 2024
17:54:56 From Judith Hellerstein To Everyone:
    The 10th
17:54:59 From Fidya Shabrina To Everyone:
    Thank you everyone! Fruitful session just before holiday kicks in.
17:55:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
    Season's Greetings to All...If you travel do so safely Bye  for now then...
17:55:18 From Satish Babu To Everyone:
    Happy Holidays everyone !!
17:55:19 From Shah Rahman To Everyone:
    Enjoy Holidays
17:55:20 From Hervé Hounzandji To Everyone:
    thanks
17:55:22 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Happy Holidays!
17:55:25 From Claire Craig To Everyone:
    All the best everyone
17:55:30 From Alberto Soto To Everyone:
    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!!!     Feliz Navidad y Feliz Año Nuevo!!!!!     Joyeux Noël et Bonne Année!!!!
17:55:30 From Hervé Hounzandji To Everyone:
    merry christams !
17:55:33 From Pari Esfandiari To Everyone:
    Thank you everyone. Happy New Year to everone.
17:55:34 From Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Happy Holidays everyone!
17:55:45 From Yrjo Lansipuro To Everyone:
    Happy Holidays!
17:55:48 From Alfredo Calderon To Everyone:
    Enjoy the Holiday Season!
17:55:49 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah To Everyone:
    Thank you 
17:55:49 From Dr. Adebunmi AKINBO To Everyone:
    Happy Holidays...
17:55:51 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org To Everyone:
    Thanks for all of your tremendous efforts in 2023!
17:55:57 From Dr. Adebunmi AKINBO To Everyone:
    Reacted to Thanks for all of yo... with 
17:55:57 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) To Everyone:
    Thank you all - Bye
17:56:07 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
    Thank you all. Happy Holidays
17:56:07 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com To Everyone:
    Thanks and later all.
17:56:10 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) To Everyone:
    Merry Christmas