Zoom chat: 2022-07-13 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)
- Michelle DeSmyter
- Aleksey Khapchenko
00:17:31 Gerardo Martínez Hernández: hello, greetings to all, from Aguascalientes, Mexico
00:17:49 Hadia ElMiniawi: Hello Gerardo and all
00:18:52 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
00:21:01 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Sorry t be late I had to extricate a possum from the wild bird seed bin...
00:22:29 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: @Cheryl at least it was not a Boa or Python
00:24:34 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: :-)
00:24:37 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: Makes sense because of holidays.
00:26:32 Herb Waye Ombuds: Hello all
00:27:05 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: Hello, welcome Herb!
00:28:06 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
00:28:52 Steinar Grøtterød: We want to prevent “Registrar jumping”
00:28:56 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: Is the TTL for the TAC is different from the Lock? The lock is important as it acts as a deterrent for registrar hopping.
00:30:28 Lutz Donnerhacke: yes, the ttl für the TAC is not a lock time
00:30:41 Sivasubramanian M: @John and @Steiner Why would a registrant jump from one Registar to another unless the Registrant has issues? It is not really fun to set up the domain with a new Registrar, and why would he or she unnecessarily do that?
00:30:43 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: Thanks Lutz. Was beginning to wonder.
00:31:07 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Siva Stolen domain names are often moved through various registrars.
00:31:29 Matthias M. Hudobnik: I fully agree with you hadia
00:31:33 Justine Chew: @Siva evasive move by bad actor
00:31:53 Sivasubramanian M: @John, if Registrar jumping specically alludes to stolen names, then it is a required safeguard.
00:32:07 Lutz Donnerhacke: The malicious Actor (which is stealing a Domain Name after getting Hands on the TAC) is the Person who starts Registrar hopping. It's not the legal registrant
00:32:34 Hadia ElMiniawi: +1 it is sufficient for UDRP
00:32:37 Sivasubramanian M: At the time, the average Registrant needs to have hidden or subtle barriers lifted. so as not to feel trapped
00:32:43 Hadia ElMiniawi: alan we can’t hear you
00:32:46 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: nope
00:32:56 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: yup
00:33:40 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: 30 makes sense to me then
00:33:53 Hadia ElMiniawi: I tend to agree with Alan
00:34:25 Jonathan Zuck: so we need to suggest the 14 days is a minimum, not a maximum as specified.
00:34:46 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Siva High value domain names are targets. The UDRP approach is a very wasteful and unreliable way of recovering them.
00:34:47 Justine Chew: Who is supporting 60 days?
00:35:04 Carlos Dionisio Aguirre: 60 days are something without sense
00:35:09 Hadia ElMiniawi: I heard Alan say 30 days
00:35:17 Lutz Donnerhacke: I support 60 days
00:35:21 Laura Margolis: I agree, 60 days is too long, 30 would be more than enough
00:35:23 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: It makes some sense but 30 might be a compromise value.
00:35:34 Sivasubramanian M: @John Yes, processes such as UDRP does not redress the issues in a timely manner
00:37:05 Justine Chew: @Siva, @John UDRP is a curative measure, the lock we're discussing is more towards preventive measure. Different sides of the coin.
00:38:35 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Justine True but some registrants have had to use UDRPs to recover stolen doms. The 60 day lock is probably ideal but it may not be feasible.
00:38:52 Lutz Donnerhacke: 30 days is a goog compromise
00:39:55 Matthias M. Hudobnik: 60!
00:41:12 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: The numbers of transfer per month is much lower than the numbers of new/deleted/renewed domain names. It would be possible to generate some stats on transfer activity from the ICANN registry reports.
00:42:40 Lutz Donnerhacke: Alan, do not advocate for thin regostry
00:43:01 Alan Greenberg: @Lutz, NEVER!
00:43:17 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: :-)
00:43:19 Lutz Donnerhacke: thick registries do not (Need to) publish the registrar
00:44:29 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: whois -n gets the basic DNS and registrar/IANAID data. That will change with RDAP. GDPR is a disaster for domain names.
00:44:47 Jonathan Zuck: well, let's not jump to conclusions
00:45:12 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: Google doc link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hcG9ndNLJ0radzaNLM25c8DH-C7v28CmIgPLhCvv9do/edit#gid=0
00:45:20 Lutz Donnerhacke: registry - Registrar is a b2b relation, which is not covered by GDPR
00:46:13 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Lutz for gTLDs and most ccTLDs yes.
00:48:45 Hadia ElMiniawi: Thank you Steiner
00:50:05 Steinar Grøtterød: Draft wording for the input to the public comment for the TPR PDP: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-KLXoDldO-kQTjnufQ2cPpOb3AL3cYWqrExOgWyNyTo/edit?usp=sharing
00:51:23 Jonathan Zuck: Justine I see your hand now
00:51:38 Justine Chew: no worries
00:52:53 Jonathan Zuck: agree. Let's let it go
00:53:36 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: good point Justine
00:54:36 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: We could devote most of the time next week on Closed Generics
00:55:07 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: WOW that *is* short notice!
00:56:10 avri doria: FYI: Since Sebastien in on the phone, the Pilot Holistic Review Tor comment is currently scheduled to start in August & conclude in September following 75.
00:57:12 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thaks for the dates @Avri
00:57:43 Jonathan Zuck: yes, small team discussions perhaps better than a full blown meeting
00:57:45 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: is the OEC planning on running a session on the PC in #75 then?
00:59:03 avri doria: not sure, would have to check if the Org has such a plan.
00:59:22 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Noted we can follow up then
00:59:43 Justine Chew: Noted @SeB
01:00:24 Justine Chew: I will speak to you @SeB offline to formulate something we want to ask GNSO
01:02:53 Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org: Staff are looking for the plenary session recommendations
01:03:06 Steinar Grøtterød: At some time, we should organise a session about Best Practice for domain name management for "unprofessional" end-users (aka Domain Name Management for Dummies”)
01:03:34 Marita Moll: I missed most of Seb's input as someone started up a chainsaw next door
01:04:17 Jonathan Zuck: I'm dealing with leaf blowers, Marita
01:04:36 Chokri Ben Romdhane: based on +Marita proposals I suggest the following topic did the MSM could follow the new technology evolvement
01:04:50 Hadia ElMiniawi: Ok
01:05:28 Raymond Mamattah: Hi everyone, good evening from Ghana.
01:06:50 Jonathan Zuck: are you thinking of a kind of read out of what's happening?
01:07:12 Hadia ElMiniawi: +1 Olivier I was also thinking about this but I thought you might think we have been addressing this issue too many time
01:07:15 Hadia ElMiniawi: times
01:07:27 Marita Moll: Is there going to be a standing public session on Internet Governance.
01:08:44 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: But would that be a plenary or just one of our own session
01:08:49 Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org: For ICANN75, yes, there is a Geopolitical session already scheduled (it’s now a reoccuring meeting)
01:09:17 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Inrternal first I agree
01:09:20 Marita Moll: That's what I was thinking about -- a standing session
01:09:37 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: the Geo political as standing session makes sense
01:10:28 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and IG should indeed slot in there IMO
01:10:44 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: Apart form the technical issues, the main problem with IDNs is getting people to use them.
01:11:25 Justine Chew: @JZ @CLO, absolutely, internal discussion first.
01:11:33 Isaac Apenteng: Hi
01:11:33 Hadia ElMiniawi: sounds good
01:11:40 Marita Moll: Okay, I will send something in the next couple of days
01:11:46 Justine Chew: I have to drop, thanks all.
01:12:35 Jonathan Zuck: Marita, we don't have 2 days. Probably need to decide about it tomorrow
01:12:49 Marita Moll: Okay, no pressure, right
01:13:10 Marita Moll: tomorrow morning -- I am out tonight
01:15:56 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: ICANN 75 meeting pages are already in existence. https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99663196/ICANN75+-+September+2022+Annual+General+Meeting
01:16:35 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: That compromised vs malicious regs topic was not great because most compromised sites evade that methodology because they are not used for DNS abuse.
01:16:57 Samuel kwasi Danso: Good evening everyone. my name is Samuel Kwasi Danso. A member of EGIGFA ALS from Ghana. Happy to be here
01:17:33 Jonathan Zuck: any other, other business!
01:17:41 Hadia ElMiniawi: Thank you all bye for today
01:17:50 Herb Waye Ombuds: Take care everyone, stay safe and be kind
01:18:07 Chokri Ben Romdhane: thanks all and sorry for being late stay safe
01:18:09 Raymond Mamattah: Welcome Samuel. You are coming to give us the vote of thanks lol
01:18:19 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Bye for now everyone...
01:18:22 Matthias M. Hudobnik: Thxs and bye
01:18:24 Hadia ElMiniawi: bye
01:18:26 Raymond Mamattah: Byeeee
01:18:29 Mouloud Khelif - ICANN73 Fellow: Thanks everyone
01:18:31 Alberto Soto: Thanks Bye Bye!!
01:18:35 Alhassan Mohamed Awal: Kindly reshare the link. i missed it
01:18:39 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: Thank you so much everyone for joining today's At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group call today!
01:18:39 Roberto Gaetano: Bye all
01:18:43 Samuel kwasi Danso: thank you Raymond and bye
01:18:43 Laura Margolis: Thank you all! Bye!
01:18:47 Isaac Apenteng: Thanks everyone bye
01:18:51 Isaac Maposa: Thank you. Bye everyone.
01:18:52 Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org: Thank you, Claudia is my guide
01:18:58 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: Thanks and later all.
01:19:00 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Great Team
01:19:02 Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org: Yay, Chantelle!
01:19:13 Love Aid: Thank you
01:19:15 Raymond Mamattah: Congrates Chantelle
01:19:24 Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org: Goodbye everyone!
01:19:29 Alhassan Mohamed Awal: Please, the link that was shared not long ago