Zoom chat: 2022-11-16 ​​At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

15:39:09 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 13:00 UTC
15:39:25 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/BdXwBQ
15:54:00 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Hello, all!
15:54:13 From Christopher Wilkinson to Everyone:
    ICANN transparency.  See CEO .org in Circle ID:
15:54:19 From Christopher Wilkinson to Everyone:
    https://circleid.com/posts/20221110-icann-policymaking-should-be-even-more-transparent
15:56:04 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Thank you Christopher. I saw Olivier’s reply to you and we added it under AOB for discussion
16:00:37 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    Hello all
16:01:45 From Alfredo Calderon (ISOCPR) to Everyone:
    It sounds good at my end.
16:01:53 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    Same here
16:02:39 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
    hi everyone... greetings from India
16:02:56 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ALAC to Everyone:
    Hello everyone
16:02:59 From Mohammad Kawsar Uddin to Everyone:
    Hello Everyone
16:03:16 From Nthabiseng Pule to Everyone:
    Hi everyone
16:03:17 From Alfredo Calderon (ISOCPR) to Everyone:
    Good morning, afternoon or evening to all!
16:03:29 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Hello everyone!
16:03:37 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Hi everyone, welcome!
16:04:17 From Eduardo Díaz to Everyone:
    Ditto
16:04:22 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
16:04:30 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
    hello
16:04:40 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:06:25 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    The article Christopher is referencing (also in the agenda under AOB): sharing in case it helps.
16:06:32 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    https://circleid.com/posts/20221110-icann-policymaking-should-be-even-more-transparent
16:09:57 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    And public comment for this has closed
16:10:19 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    @CW "if Party A retains Party B to participate in an ICANN process and Party B retains Party C to do the work, Party C needs to disclose both Party A and Party B (not just Party B)"  ... not only that, but also if Party B's client, i.e Party A is affiliated to a still undisclosed organisation which engages in the ICANN Policy process with remote invisibility.  ICANN (and by extension the policy makers elsewhere) could insist on full disclosure of what may be called "chain of affiliation";  It also requires a more elaborate declaration, not just "the above statement is true",  to " I also declare that I have not withheld any information related to my representation or affiliation that is relevant" etc.
16:11:27 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Public Comment proceeding (closed 14 Nov): https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/updates-to-the-gnso-statement-of-interest-soi-procedures-and-requirements-09-09-2022
16:11:39 From Alan Greenberg (ALAC) to Everyone:
    This issue is comparable to the current comment on GNSO Operating procedures which is on our agenda.
16:11:47 From Eduardo Díaz to Everyone:
    But the whole things has an implication on PDPs
16:12:57 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Everything has implications for everything. This is fundamentally an MSM issue, rather than a policy issue but I'm not going to push too hard to move it.
16:13:01 From Eduardo Díaz to Everyone:
    +1 Alan
16:16:30 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    I hope we start some work before the F2F
16:16:55 From Alfredo Calderon (ISOCPR) to Everyone:
    Welcome @Nancy and other 1st time visitors.
16:18:10 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Good afternoon from Accra, Ghana.... Glad to be here
16:18:33 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    The IDN ePDP Draft Report has been moved pursuant to the GNSO Council approval of the project change request if I am not mistaken
16:18:50 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    I think that report will not be out until April?
16:19:23 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Thanks Jeff, that’s helpful. I’ll make a note of that to follow-up
16:20:08 From Alfredo Calderon (ISOCPR) to Everyone:
    Alan’s hand is up.
16:20:17 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    @CW Also, there could be a process by which ICANN performs appropriate due diligence to determine if Party C (or D) participating and influencing policies has withheld pertinent information, and in cases where there is wilful non-disclosure, act upon its finding by barring participation of Party A or the still undisclosed organisation in ICANN processes, as the very least, with no restraints on further penalties if due.
16:20:36 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    I have a comment on the RDAP
16:20:39 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    Amendment
16:26:32 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    As much as I hate to admit it, I'm inclined to agree with Tony Award Winning Producer, Jeff Neuman.
16:27:10 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    @Jonathan  Tell us what Jeff produced...
16:27:35 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Feeding the registrar data into DAAR will make it a few magnitudes more effective.
16:27:52 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    Going for my Olivier in 2023
16:29:15 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    @Siva, I'll let Jeff tell you...
16:29:44 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    I was involved in the Revival of Company which won the 2022 Tony Award for Best Revival of a Musical
16:30:38 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    But in 2023, I have a new musical that is coming to the West End.....more to follow in the coming months
16:31:43 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    Jeff not many know that you have such fine pursuits.
16:31:45 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_(musical)
16:31:55 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone:
    sorry to enter so late… in another meeting out of my office.
16:35:32 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone:
    interesting comment Jonathan and Alan.
16:35:50 From Mutegeki Cliff to Everyone:
    Hello. Sorry am  late for the meeting.
16:35:58 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Hi Mutegeki, welcome
16:36:00 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    @Alan noted
16:38:34 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Link to the slides currently on Zoom: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=99669253&preview=/221347973/222265889/ICANN76_draft%20schedule%20%26%20timeline.pdf#Upcoming--1648497783
16:39:31 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    Thank you Chantelle for the link to the slides
16:39:39 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    :-)
16:40:25 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    @Chantelle +1
16:40:32 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @JZ RDAP replacing WHOIS as a session topic?
16:40:40 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    I lost Siva
16:40:42 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Same
16:40:52 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ALAC to Everyone:
    lost Siva
16:40:53 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Yesim is working on it
16:41:09 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    You are back again @Siva
16:41:53 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Sure, noted
16:42:12 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone:
    yes, this is a relevant point and may it can be raised at ALAC X BOArd
16:42:30 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Siva's suggestion is pertinent
16:43:12 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    @Gopal  Heterogeneity is in direct conflict with the notion of One Internet.
16:43:33 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
    Note also that the LACRALO General Assembly takes place on Monday 13 and Tuesday 14 in Cancun
16:43:47 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    To Vanda’s point, the ICANN Board will meet with ALAC on the Monday (first bilateral is with us)
16:43:48 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    One Internet will make One World, i.e a harmoized world, a fragmented internet would promote mistrust between geographies
16:44:18 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    I think that Olivier posted a PDF link to the list on NIS2
16:44:29 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2022-0383_EN.pdf
16:44:33 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    (NIS2 URL)
16:44:42 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @Siva: I differ on your opinion on Heterogeneity and Interoperability is the key for one Internet envisaged at ICANN. Homogeneity is a sure fire recipe for Chaos. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
16:44:45 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    247 pages or so of it.,
16:45:00 From Raymond Mamattah to Everyone:
    I think this same topic was one of the topics discussed at the ICANN DNS Forum this year.
16:45:34 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    I have already started a slide deck on NIS2
16:45:38 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    Thank you Gopal.
16:45:47 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Probably the Meetings Team hasn’t gotten to it yet. I’ll note that for follow-up 
16:46:30 From Raymond Mamattah to Everyone:
    Wow, will Cancum be missed for the third consecutive times?
16:46:43 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    The only guarantee would be if they barred the doors and didn't let anybody it.  Cause for concern?  ;-)
16:47:30 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    @Chantelle I have used the NIS2 version to which you posted the link to for my slides
16:47:30 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    To All:  Fragmentation is separation, it would create isolated geographies, would promote divisiveness and intolerance.
16:47:49 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    @Hadia, oh excellent. I took it from Olivier’s email 
16:48:06 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    A fragmented Internet would be breeding ground for "baseless hatred"
16:49:19 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    ("baseless hatred" is something that I read somewhere today)
16:49:27 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
    @Gopal technical heterogenity added to Business interests will for sure fragment the Internet if we are not going to talk about it! and we will suprised to know that all the topics that we are currently discsuused are deprecated  and have nothing to do with technical and Buisness evolvement So +@Siva
16:49:40 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    +1 on NIS2 as a topic
16:49:51 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    @Jonathan ok I will put together a proposal for the NIS2 and the DNS
16:50:46 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Good point, we have more time for that
16:51:51 From Carlos Dionisio Aguirre to Everyone:
    great point
16:52:37 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Next Meeting: Wednesday, 23 November at 19:00 UTC
16:52:49 From Herb Waye to Everyone:
    Take care everyone, stay safe and be kind.
16:52:53 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ALAC to Everyone:
    Thanks and bye to all
16:52:53 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    Thank you all
16:52:54 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Noted...
16:52:58 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    Bye for today
16:53:01 From Nthabiseng Pule to Everyone:
    Thank you all
16:53:01 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Thank you everyone. Enjoy the rest of your day
16:53:04 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Thank you and be safe...
16:53:06 From Jahangir Hossain to Everyone:
    We should keep balance the meeting schedule by considering the  geographic distribution.
16:53:09 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
    Bye all
16:53:09 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Thanks all
16:53:11 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    thanks all!
16:53:11 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thanks and later all.
16:53:16 From Jahangir Hossain to Everyone:
    Thanks
16:53:19 From Alfredo Calderon (ISOCPR) to Everyone:
    Enjoy the rest of your day.
16:53:19 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    bye
16:53:21 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Thank you bye!
16:53:21 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    I am sorry. I am having an unstable internet today. Latency us high on responses. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
16:53:23 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Thanks and bye
16:53:23 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
    Thank you all enjoy the World Cup if you are Soccer Fun and go Tunisia
16:53:24 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
    Bye everyone
16:53:25 From Mouloud Khelif - ICANN75 Fellow to Everyone:
    Thanks everyone
16:53:30 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    Thank you All !