Zoom chat: 2023-01-11 ​​At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

15:37:34 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 11 January 2023 at 13:00 UTC.
15:37:54 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/evTwBQ
15:54:02 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    I’ll message you Yesim :-)
15:54:33 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Hello Olivier!
16:00:30 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    Sure lets go
16:01:35 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Happy New Year to all and good afternoon from Accra, Ghana..
16:02:01 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    Happy New Year Lavish, welcome to the call
16:02:11 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
    Greetings all, always a pleasure to join your informative calls.
16:02:25 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:03:01 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Thank you Hadia...
16:04:04 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Hello everyone, welcome!
16:04:21 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Welcome!
16:04:21 From Nthabiseng Pule to Everyone:
    Hi Chantelle. Thanks
16:05:01 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
    happy new year to everyone... greetings from India
16:05:26 From Jahangir Hossain (ISOC Bangladesh) to Everyone:
    Hi everyone , Good Evening from Bangladesh
16:05:54 From Mouloud Khelif to Everyone:
    Hello everyone, apologies for joining a bit late.
16:06:34 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Here is the Transfer Policy document currently being presented: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O3vBcIr-mkDcdF5hX8jRcLXu0DoIWDTgMl4HrUQBWYs/edit
16:11:05 From Eduardo Díaz to Everyone:
    The whole PDP is going to take until 2026 to be done.
16:12:04 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    @Steinar, I can confirm that the GNSO Council is aware of the PCR you mention for the Transfer Policy Review PDP WG. Notice of is on the GNSO Council's Jan meeting agenda.
16:12:48 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    SubPro and RPM PDPs ran for over 5 years.
16:13:36 From Eduardo Díaz to Everyone:
    Thanks for the answer.
16:14:34 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The Admin-C has control over the domain name, I think. Does this mean a change in permissions?
16:15:08 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Very Sorry for joining late for this meeting. Good Evening. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
16:15:08 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    An extremely dangerous.
16:16:11 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Extremely dangerous move because sometimes registrars will change the WHOIS data on an expired domain name in a grace period to its own data. If the registrant renews, it may revert to the original.
16:16:15 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Hi Gopal, welcome!
16:23:12 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Thinking Aloud: Closed Generic is always a grey area. We can populate the list of Use Cases. Can we evolve a Metric for the "Strength of the Closed Generic" and take a decision based on this. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University
16:24:12 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Thanks Maureen, looking!
16:25:13 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    My apologies, they arrived to me in the middle of the night my time. We’ll make sure they’re added to this agenda
16:25:14 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The EU Commission might also object on NIS2 grounds if they manage to understand NIS2 because of the whole contactability issue. A registrant is not necessarily the one who administrates a domain name and it is often outsourced to web developers.
16:25:37 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    @All, please be sure to send any slides to all At-Large staff - esp if they are being sent more than 12 hours or so before the call.
16:25:57 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    We want to be able to be sure that they ready for display. Thanks!
16:26:41 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
    @Heidi, I’ve forwarded Maureen’s email
16:27:19 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Many thanks. We are getting them ready.
16:27:44 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Thanks so much Sarah!
16:28:06 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
16:30:27 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    GGP Slides are now on the agenda. Here’s a link to the URL: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=99677306&preview=/226558589/226559156/11Jan%20CPWG%20GGP%20report.pdf#PDPs--624169151
16:30:29 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    With Task 4, whether a gTLD is a success will only be known by year 3 of operation (the Hold'em or Fold'em renewal decisions by the registrants.).
16:30:30 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
    @John: I am not sure enable “admin-c” makes any difference in your example. It can be discussed what access the “admin-c” should have on a domain name administration.
16:31:11 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Happy to see   “what represents success”
16:31:54 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Steinar It is a worrying development because registrations have been commoditized and outsourced. It needs a bit more discussion. The NIS2 is also going to be problematic if ICANN streamlines while the EC wants more data.
16:33:32 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @JZ The 2012 round was a great success until lots of people dropped their domain names.
16:33:46 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    Further on evolving metrics for Closed Generics: It is perhaps useful to specify categories such as: 1. Fanciful and / or Coined 2. Arbitrary 3. Suggestive 4. Descriptive 5. Generic. I tried this on the Use Cases Circulated. Any way it is for the concerned WG. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University
16:35:01 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The biggest problems for gTLDs are still the same: Market size. Demand. And most importantly marketing budgets to drive adoption.
16:36:41 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    GGP Application Support Tasks 3-5 Framework document (currently on screen): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wM5662oPNWPB7D0yEJRqod5HHWmvE0gIX1F4-F7S8Ic/edit
16:39:11 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The markets need to be identified and categorized before the outreach events. That might improve targeting and response.
16:39:19 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Maureen and Sara, here are the resources used by the CCT:
16:39:22 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/CCT/pages/102137870/Studies+Research+and+Background+Materials
16:39:29 From Nthabiseng Pule to Everyone:
    Who would the outreach activities be targeting?
16:40:32 From Eduardo Díaz to Everyone:
    ok
16:41:37 From Carlos Dionisio Aguirre to Everyone:
    on task four: what represents sucess is inner related with how metrics can be measured.
16:41:54 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The problem with some historical data from ICANN is that it is unreliable. The benchmark would have been the .AFRICA gTLD as it would have indicated where there was demand and how it changed. The problem is that the registry has not been supplying accurate data on registrations since it launched.
16:42:18 From Carlos Dionisio Aguirre to Everyone:
    and the quedtion is what means sucess, and sucess for whom?
16:42:27 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    As a gTLD it has massive potential.
16:45:20 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    Two phases, early one for app support and the later one for regular fees, has the implication of the the applicant seeking support revealing his string earlier, with the risk of the string being copied by the regular applicants.
16:45:34 From Jahangir Hossain (ISOC Bangladesh) to Everyone:
    aside market size and internet penetration study also important for new gTLD program
16:45:45 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
    Here is the doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wM5662oPNWPB7D0yEJRqod5HHWmvE0gIX1F4-F7S8Ic/edit?pli=1#
16:45:47 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Some of the CCT recommendations are good starting points.
16:45:50 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Will do
16:46:18 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    That was on the remark that applicants seeking support could be asked to apply in advance, to indicate that that would be rsiky.
16:46:48 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    +1 Jahangir Also how people in the markets access the Internet is important (mobile versus desktop).
16:47:58 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @Maureen @Sarah: Thank you. It is almost having a set of metrics from the scratch. I will be happy to chip in when time permits. Having some metrics will pave way for further improvements. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University
16:48:04 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    The OFB-WG will be held tomorrow. The agenda is: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99671257/2023-01-12+Operations+Finance+and+Budget+Working+Group+OFB-WG+Call.
16:48:50 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
    @John Re: markets, there was a comment from the GAC about geographic distribution. It was not clearly stated in the last round but it is something we have been informed we can think about. We could possibly recommend it under task 4 (any other appropriate metrics)
16:49:30 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    The Draft statement is under item 5. Here’s the direct link (also in the agenda): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m9aYCKt5fs5mM5Gh0j1IP1CjWe0-8awSPcUw1OwgWbc/edit
16:49:54 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    @Heidi  I got a page not found error on the OFB call link
16:49:57 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
    @Jonathan, thanks for sharing the resources used by the CCT
16:50:04 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Sarah The market for gTLDs isn't a global one in most cases. It is a set of country markets with a smaller global one. Local marketing is very important and will be more important with geo-gTLDs.
16:50:44 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
    @JZ Yes thanks for the reference to the CCT doc
16:52:21 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    That moves us to item 6 on the agenda
16:54:07 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The Pearson correlation and the usage/parking stuff in the CCT report may be ignored because the were not based on   good data. However, the recommendations are good.
16:54:19 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    At-Large plans for ICANN76
16:54:34 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99672841/ICANN76+-+March+2023+Community+Forum
16:56:07 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Jonathan, I can also add this item to the OFB-WG agenda.
16:59:40 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Noted
17:00:58 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Exactly
17:02:46 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    +1 Avri
17:07:01 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Big budget, big aspirations and vey few limits?
17:08:04 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    +1 Jeff the need for an alternative system was due to a system that was deemed non implemnatble
17:08:07 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    @JZ, let's make another call for planning that sesssion?
17:08:21 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Yes Justine
17:09:34 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    @Christopher - the ODA only changes a very few policy recommendations….none of the ones I recall you objected to
17:10:45 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    My biggest issue with the SubPro ODA is that Option 2 is actually no different than Option 1 if you really dig into it
17:10:59 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    ICANN76 workspace: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99672841/ICANN76+-+March+2023+Community+Forum
17:11:20 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    @justine, we’ll note this as an action item
17:11:41 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Yes, please. Thanks @Chantelle
17:12:02 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
    No doubt for the GAC and SSAC as well (as noted by JZ)
17:13:47 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    I think we need to wait to hear more details on this point.
17:13:58 From Alberto Soto to Everyone:
    Dear, I have another meeting (in person). Regards!
17:16:45 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
    Thank you all I have to leave due to a job Duties
17:16:49 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    There are 4 ACs, Jeff ;)
17:17:53 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Can we stop and get more info first please?
17:18:36 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    @Justine, yes, we need to wait for more info before further discussions/
17:19:02 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
    @JZ  That's how I understood the discussion about what was being asked to be postponed.
17:19:17 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    @Christopher - we agree on there being no delays
17:20:07 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    @Justine - true, but I would find it hard to believe that it was a recommendation from the RSSAC.  In theory I could imagine the SSAC, but more likely the GAC
17:20:22 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    But I could be wrong
17:20:56 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    I'm not into speculating @Jeff :) No need for it.
17:22:58 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
    I must leave now… take care everyone, stay safe and be kind.
17:23:31 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Sarah and Maureen
17:27:03 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The problem with bulk regs is that they are often one year regs so by the time people get around to supplying information or data, they've been deleted.
17:28:45 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    I lost Olivier
17:29:01 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    You are back olivier
17:29:13 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    And we had something to do with that movement
17:29:18 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Checked the 5 year survival for gTLDs. Of the 2M .LOAN doms from December 2017, only around 2,400 are still in the Dec 2022 zone file.
17:30:06 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    I switched to Zoom
17:30:37 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    back on call :-)
17:31:15 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Does the DNS Abuse Institute have historical depth on its data?
17:31:35 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    Biggest issue is what is meant by “bulk registrations”
17:31:47 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    Bulk Registration is a term used for several things
17:32:00 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Jeff Some gTLDs would find it very difficult to grow the zone without them.
17:32:08 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
    It can mean a mechanism to register OR it can mean a number (and that number is different to each registrar)
17:32:18 From Chantelle Doerksen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Thank you all for joining
17:32:23 From iPhone to Everyone:
    thank all
17:32:25 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Thanks all and bye
17:32:26 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Next Meeting: Wednesday, 18 January at 19 UTC
17:32:27 From Nthabiseng Pule to Everyone:
    Thank you all
17:32:29 From Jahangir Hossain (ISOC Bangladesh) to Everyone:
    Thanks to all
17:32:35 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    Thank you all - bye for today
17:32:41 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
    Thanks and bye!
17:32:42 From Mouloud Khelif to Everyone:
    Thanks everyone, great (dense) session
17:32:42 From Eunice Pérez Coello to Everyone:
    thanks you all
17:32:44 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thanks and later all.
17:32:51 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    @Jeff, the GNSO Small Team has addressed your point
17:32:59 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
    Thanks, all
17:33:08 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Thank you all! Bye!
17:33:14 From Lavish Mawuena Mensah to Everyone:
    Thank you... Bye to all...
17:33:16 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
    Interesting indeed
17:33:18 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
    Thanks and sorry for the lateness
17:33:19 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Thanks to all. See you next week.
17:33:20 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    Thank you !
17:33:25 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
    Bye all
17:33:27 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
    txh
17:33:32 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
    Bye all