AC Chat: 2018-09-12 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call

Andrea Glandon: (9/12/2018 12:31) Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group call held on Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 19:00 UTC.
  Andrea Glandon: (13:24) Agenda wiki: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/AfXvBQ
  John Laprise: (13:53) FYI I'm on the call and listening in at the office.
  Evin Erdogdu: (13:54) Hello all!
  John Laprise: (13:55) I lost sound
  John Laprise: (13:56) Yay!
  Vanda Scartezini: (13:58) hi all!! nice to back again
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:59) Great to have you back :-)
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:00) i have no sound.. someone talk please to check sound...
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:00) thank you sound ok with a little ecco
  Heidi Ullrich: (14:02) Sebastien will be joining shortly. 
  Evin Erdogdu: (14:04) Action Items 05 Sept: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/97XxBQ
  John Laprise: (14:06) +1 Alan
  John Laprise: (14:06) +1 Olivier
  Andrea Glandon: (14:06) EPDP Workspace https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/BYDkBg
  Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:07) EPDP Temporary Spec: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_gtld-2Dregistration-2Ddata-2Dspecs-2Den&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=k7uKdjSb7_ZjItyVqrCYHo_rKms9SFxlmbYEJqG-y9I&m=tauAg3n3UVjRB7ds323IpXHMnyiAilx2_EQy0AnERbY&s=slBJ_uUz8Dt123-LJ3ER_8icPQsz-IS8NHW-_PtqlfQ&e=
  Andrea Glandon: (14:07) EPDP Background Documents https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/WYHkBg
  Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:09) I found the link to the temporary specification from the EPDP Background Documents page which containts a wealth of data and files that cover many aspects of the EPDP, Contracts, GDPR, etc.
  John Laprise: (14:09) A call out to the legal grounds for data collection is essential.
  John Laprise: (14:09) Agreed Alan
  Heidi Ullrich: (14:10) Welcome, Hadia. 
  John Laprise: (14:11) On consumer *, not a term in GDPR. We should be looking at the ePDP through a GDPR lens.
  Hadia Elminiawi: (14:11) and consumer protection
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:11) Agree. i would add IP folks as well since there's such a strong correlation to maleware.
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:12)  yeah Jonathan my suggestion too
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:14) e]\asfghjkl;
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:14) vnm./ qawz4edxrfc 6g un 9ikm0-/=
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:14) \
  John Laprise: (14:14)  IP folks are fighting an uphill battle on GDPR as IP is a tertiary concern at best within GDPR.
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:14) sorry... do not know what happened with my text...
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:15) They are but there's a strong correlation between piracy and maleware so we should be able to draw the necessary line between the two
  Hadia Elminiawi: (14:15) initial draft report
  John Laprise: (14:16) Piracy and malware are likely within the bounds of a legitimate interest rationale BUT that requires a balancing test with the privacy rights of data subjects
  John Laprise: (14:20) Ty Alan & Hadia!
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:20) Right but the privacy risks associated with the folks we're talking about is quite low, no? Researchers, reputational database vendors, IP lawyers, etc.
  John Laprise: (14:22) They're data processors and might be data subjects. The bulk of the PII is the WHOIS
  John Laprise: (14:22) It's their risk that hangs in the balance according to GDPR
  Hadia Elminiawi: (14:24) So we are mainly trying to make sure that the data is there
  Hadia Elminiawi: (14:25) thank you Cheryl
  John Laprise: (14:25) (to add insult to injury) GDPR also has requirement to keep help PII accurate (current)...
  Christopher Wilkinson: (14:25) Several comments, but not right now. I shall submit written suggestions to the draft ALAC statement.
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:25) yeah hadia,  but john is right it is their risk and at the end tehy will need to adjust their process as they fill they are protected
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:26) fill; feel
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:28) yeah Alan, this clause give us a lot of room to work with
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:28) I think the biggest risk is having the data be public for spams and such
  John Laprise: (14:29) that third party rationale is much weaker than many in the community are betting 
  Hadia Elminiawi: (14:30) yes sure vanda - we need to make sure that there are no risks for anyone
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:30) Jonathan. the big risk is, depend on the region, to be sue without no reason and spend lots fo money defending themselves
  Marita Moll: (14:30) I can talk about my part of item 5 any time
  Andrea Glandon: (14:30) Here is the link I will get it posted as well https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102656987/2018+ALAC+Policy+Comments+Advice
  Evin Erdogdu: (14:31) Thank you @Andrea
  Alan Greenberg: (14:31) The original need for whois is to contact someone over technical issues. So that information will need to be available pretty well universally. To what extent it is anonymized is a different question. It is far from clear how you can meet that need and not be subject to spam. 
  Alan Greenberg: (14:32) It is hard to imagine that we can debug the DNS with paper mailing addresses only, so either phone number of e-mail is pretty well required.
  Alan Greenberg: (14:32) But perhaps I am not being sufficiently imaginative.
  Evin Erdogdu: (14:33) @Jonathan - Next Steps on Reviews
  Evin Erdogdu: (14:33) https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102660147/At-Large+Workspace+Next+Steps+on+Reviews
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:33) right. thanks.
  John Laprise: (14:34) ICANN could run a private email system for the WHOIS list. Require everyone on the WHOIS list must get an ICANN email address to which official communications are sent.
  Hadia Elminiawi: (14:36) +1 Cheryl
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:37) Woe AG  don't ask too much!
  John Laprise: (14:37) It's on my Saturday AM reading list. :)
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:37) read the whole 4 pages ;-)
  Hadia Elminiawi: (14:38) Will do Cheryl - 4 pages are not much
  Eduardo Diaz - NARALO: (14:40) shall we scrap it and use Joanna to do something else?
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:41) and IDN's is an essential improvement for the fields
  Hadia Elminiawi: (14:41) I could try on this one
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:41) i thought this was implemented already CLO
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:42) That makes sense to me JZ
  Vanda Scartezini: (14:42) was not pying enough attention to this
  John Laprise: (14:42) second JZ
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:42) No Vanda not in all record fields  ;-(
  Hadia Elminiawi: (14:42) ok JZ
  John Laprise: (14:43) Jonathan: ask Joanna first about whether she wants help...she's quite acomplished.
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:44) sounds good
  Evin Erdogdu: (14:44) Registration Directory Service (RDS-WHOIS2) Review Team Draft Report of Recommendations
  Evin Erdogdu: (14:44) https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102660151/At-Large+Workspace+Registration+Directory+Service+RDS-WHOIS2+Review+Team+Draft+Report+of+Recommendations
  John Laprise: (14:46) For that we should send it back to the RT to start at square one...:)
  Eduardo Diaz - NARALO: (14:46) @Alan:  maybe you want to be the penholder for this one (ja!)
  Cheryl  (CLO): (14:50) a ** Very inportant** question to explore @Alan
  Cheryl  (CLO): (14:51) and CONGRATULATIONS on that JZ
  Cheryl  (CLO): (14:52) ;-)
  Hadia Elminiawi: (14:53) +1 for a little more time
  Alan Greenberg: (14:53) Two webinars on the draft report next Monday!
  Jonathan Zuck: (14:54) excellent
  Cheryl  (CLO): (14:55) Hmmm not in my calendar
  Cheryl  (CLO): (14:56) I should copy it as I do most things off the At-Large Calendar then
  Eduardo Diaz - NARALO: (14:56) Olivier: When you said Agenda you meant in the ALAC Clanedar?
  Eduardo Diaz - NARALO: (14:56) Calendar
  Cheryl  (CLO): (14:56) I assumed so Eduardo
  Alfredo Calderon: (14:57) @Eduardo, I understand that it is the ALAC Calenredar. It is  not on it.
  Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (14:57) @Eduardo -- yes, the At-LArge Calendar you are right. Sorry for wrong choice of word
  Jonathan Zuck: (15:05) Agree
  Vanda Scartezini: (15:08) agree Nadira. we had in the last round a community application becoming registry nowadays ( after a awful process of auction) 
  Alan Greenberg: (15:10) https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102658983/At-Large+Workspace+Initial+Report+on+the+New+gTLD+Subsequent+Procedures+Policy+Development+Process+Overarching+Issues+Work+Tracks+1-4
  Nadira AL-Araj: (15:10) Yes, Vanda, and that would be good for emerging community registry 
  Nadira AL-Araj: (15:11) And that where I belive community application support come in place
  Christopher Wilkinson: (15:13) @JZ I send comments to the list which sends me the drafts. Is that OK?
  Vanda Scartezini: (15:13) + 1 nadira
  Christopher Wilkinson: (15:15) Predictability: lets take that off ine. Not sure where to ut them.
  Christopher Wilkinson: (15:16) Not sure where to put them.
  Cheryl  (CLO): (15:17) time check
  Maureen Hilyard: (15:18) @Eduardo re the UA google doc.. a comment has been added from Book Haven  (Don Hollander)
  Greg Shatan: (15:18) Hi all.  Sorry only to come for dessert.
  Cheryl  (CLO): (15:19) we hear you now
  Cheryl  (CLO): (15:19) Just in time though Greg :-)
  Cheryl  (CLO): (15:19) we can head back to your bit :-)
  Alan Greenberg: (15:19) RDS-WHOIS2 Webinars now on At-Large calendar for next Monday.
  Vanda Scartezini: (15:20) totally agree with Christopher, this is a main problem in my region
  Eduardo Diaz - NARALO: (15:20) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1n7iN2u3LS7WQn0lA1Lq-2DgnxMYj2VIFS-2DVaMjtCY0Y0I_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=k7uKdjSb7_ZjItyVqrCYHo_rKms9SFxlmbYEJqG-y9I&m=tauAg3n3UVjRB7ds323IpXHMnyiAilx2_EQy0AnERbY&s=TA-eZlbEmBPJggYl6qjNLx3jkxauhyV-FgX5IbQkc28&e=
  Alan Greenberg: (15:21) UA not just about IDNs
  Christopher Wilkinson: (15:22) @ AG - Indeed. CW
  Jonathan Zuck: (15:22) indeed
  Vanda Scartezini: (15:22) sure Alan.. we are seeing this happens in this regions with registrars not ready to be open to new gTLDs even not IDNs
  Cheryl  (CLO): (15:25) Thanks JZ
  Eduardo Diaz - NARALO: (15:25) @all: need to read the comment. UA is not IDN only. We have include TLDs as well.
  Cheryl  (CLO): (15:26) I am hearing other sounds beyond Greg
  Cheryl  (CLO): (15:26) One constantly wonders Greg
  Jonathan Zuck: (15:27) staff can you mute everyone else?
  Andrea Glandon: (15:27) We are checking the bridge
  Cheryl  (CLO): (15:27) :-)
  Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (15:28) the mute button is one too many buttons for At-LArge
  Christopher Wilkinson: (15:29) @ Greg. I noticed that you took some of my comments, but not others! Thankyou. CW
  Hadia Elminiawi: (15:30) Thanks Greg
  Cheryl  (CLO): (15:31) Thanks very much for all this Greg...    and YES please use Suggestions rather than edits per se...
  Cheryl  (CLO): (15:33) Good progress on todays call... Thanks everyone ... Bye for now...  
  Vanda Scartezini: (15:33) thank you all very productive meeting
  Eduardo Diaz - NARALO: (15:34) Thank yuo JZ fro moving forward this.
  Hadia Elminiawi: (15:34) thank you all bye 
  Maureen Hilyard: (15:34) +1 Cheryl and Vanda
  Vanda Scartezini: (15:34) 13:00UTC?
  Marita Moll: (15:34) Bye for now and thanks
  Hadia Elminiawi: (15:34) ok great thanks again
  Alfredo Calderon: (15:35) Bye to all. Great job Jonathan.
  Gordon Chillcott: (15:35) Thanks and bye for now.
  Evin Erdogdu: (15:35) Thanks all! Goodbye
  Greg Shatan: (15:35) Bye all and thanks for saving a few minutes for me.