AC Chat: 2018-09-05 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call
- Yesim Saglam
- Aleksey Khapchenko
Yesim Nazlar: (9/5/2018 14:53) Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 05 September 2018 at 13:00 UTC
Yesim Nazlar: (14:53) Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/yfTvBQ
Evin Erdoğdu: (15:52) Hello all!
Joanna Kulesza: (15:57) Hi everyone!
Hadia Elminiawi: (15:58) hello all
Yesim Nazlar: (15:59) Welcome all!
Maureen Hilyard: (16:00) Hi all
Holly Raiche: (16:02) hello all
Heidi Ullrich: (16:04) Hi, All
Evin Erdoğdu: (16:04) Action Items 2018-08-29: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/6rXxBQ
Marita Moll: (16:05) Re: potential clashes -- Work track 5 meets at the same time on Sept. 13
Evin Erdoğdu: (16:05) Google DOC proposal: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1agNhbXfXLPQIRTGjC-2D8U-2Dl534SWpbnsiapi-2Dfi5mzFw_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=DINRXDMzbCA0lKMB5r_-WsUX2jwVqYE1COo2pYm2zmw&s=CXBGQVAm5rc6mg9SBk_f2d7tjmUn8u3M4Fbw_Hx2JAY&e=
Evin Erdoğdu: (16:07) Justine Chew's Google Doc: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1rlGb86PXT50tYN33WHtwi94trFpoAoB6r63O-5Fv6ATn0_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=DINRXDMzbCA0lKMB5r_-WsUX2jwVqYE1COo2pYm2zmw&s=vlCvYvY18KCo1lE40amZBdwBN2vzcDsp1wHagYbgOgE&e=
Evin Erdoğdu: (16:07) Public Comment wiki workspace: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/p3MeBg
Jonathan Zuck: (16:15) I'm inclined to agree
Hadia Elminiawi: (16:19) Thanks Holly
Christopher Wilkinson: (16:20) Joined late, with apologies CW
Yesim Nazlar: (16:21) Welcome Christopher!
Christopher Wilkinson: (16:22) Insofar as some think that Geo-Names may be applied for by 'Communities', then by definition those will not be 'global'. Agree with what Alan is saying now. CW
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:22) I agree with Alan
Jonathan Zuck: (16:24) because they hadn't been able to create a global gay club!
Sebastien: (16:26) Sorry to be late
Sebastien: (16:26) I was taking care of my bees
Jonathan Zuck: (16:27) bees?!
Yesim Nazlar: (16:27) Welcome Sébastien!
Sebastien: (16:28) Yes for honey
Sebastien: (16:28) Need to be ready for Automn and winter
Alan Greenberg: (16:29) Let's not confuse applicant support with community classification.
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (16:36) CPE evaluation: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__newgtlds.icann.org_en_applicants_cpe-23status&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=DINRXDMzbCA0lKMB5r_-WsUX2jwVqYE1COo2pYm2zmw&s=mozZK5l881nutU6jZoEx8APJJUZu_Prt7jjv0qqK3XU&e=
Alan Greenberg: (16:38) @Marita, if you go to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gtldresult.icann.org_applicationstatus_viewstatus&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=DINRXDMzbCA0lKMB5r_-WsUX2jwVqYE1COo2pYm2zmw&s=d1_Sv4KtbAjbS8jgayE4UKOUXavEKZqvJH_dkVyCShc&e= and select TYPE=Community and STATUS=Delegated, you will see a list of all Community TLDs.
Joanna Kulesza: (16:38) Just to throw an open question into the debate: how close is community identification to application funding? I'm thinking of various "communities" (be it bee keepers for example) who might be lagging behind in the application process due to insufficient funding rather thank membership/identification criteria (with Alan's remark dully noted). Thanks!
Marita Moll: (16:40) @Alan -- thanks. I will take a look at that
Jonathan Zuck: (16:40) @Joanna, that might be one of the characteristics. so perhaps it's a weighting question.
Nadira AL-Araj: (16:40) apologies for being late
Yesim Nazlar: (16:40) Welcome Nadira!
Hadia Elminiawi: (16:44) Yes thankd Olivier for the link I was checking it now
Nadira AL-Araj: (16:44) Olivier thank you
Marita Moll: (16:45) @olivier -- okay, this will make interesting reading. Maybe should have started there
Nadira AL-Araj: (16:46) +1 Jonathan
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (16:47) every one needs to go through the ICANN New gTLD Web Site: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__newgtlds.icann.org_en_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=DINRXDMzbCA0lKMB5r_-WsUX2jwVqYE1COo2pYm2zmw&s=2DglZwlBPa3wz5PdazAWpBWfzm5flIxnwk3K_31QDeY&e=
Hadia Elminiawi: (16:47) well yes taxi could be a community why not?
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (16:47) This has tons of information, including the link to the Registry Agreements --- and this is where you can also see the PICs
Nadira AL-Araj: (16:48) syndicates could be qualified as community
Hadia Elminiawi: (16:49) do we have a definition for what we mean by community?
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (16:49) If you want to see all applications & search them: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gtldresult.icann.org_application-2Dresult_applicationstatus&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=DINRXDMzbCA0lKMB5r_-WsUX2jwVqYE1COo2pYm2zmw&s=x_iWQ5J7HLoBsRTHVpXpDngcg9pomaS_Fk57IspMTss&e=
Nadira AL-Araj: (16:50) hadia we are still working on a definition
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (16:50) @Hadia: I think we passed that point, based on today's discussion. That's my feeling.... no definition, let's just see what characteristics are needed to be deemed a "community"
Nadira AL-Araj: (16:51) +1 Marita
Alan Greenberg: (16:51) Just remember, we have DAYS to do this, not more.
Hadia Elminiawi: (16:51) Olivier i agree we need to define some required characteristics rather than define what a community is
Marita Moll: (16:51) we have a small grou;p
Yrjö Länsipuro: (16:51) One element of the CoE definition is actually an important characterstic: a community exists to collectively express, defend etc "a field of common interests"
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:52) Jonathan, no action item?
Jonathan Zuck: (16:52) Perhaps, instead of a definition, it's questions to be asked of applicants
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:53) How will we come up with the so called definition?
Marita Moll: (16:53) @Yryo -- I also think that is a necessary element -- but we need to figure out how groups which fit into this category can collect a full number of points -- which is currently not the case
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:54) So we need to agree on something
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:54) how shall we do?
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (16:55) @Tijani: how about working with Marita as a sub-group?
Marita Moll: (16:56) Everyone is welcome to join but we currently have 4 people working on this as penholders
Hadia Elminiawi: (16:57) @Tijani I don't think we need to have a definition for a community but rather define some required characteristics for a community
Maureen Hilyard: (16:58) @Hadia I think characteristics would be more useful at this stage
Hadia Elminiawi: (16:59) so you could have a community that does not satisfy the requirements and others that staisfy part or all of the characteristics
Jonathan Zuck: (16:59) they were supposed to be enforceable
Greg Shatan: (16:59) +1 to contractually enforceable PICs
Heidi Ullrich: (16:59) I need to drop for another call.
Alan Greenberg: (17:00) Once a PIC is in the contract, it is enforceable.
Greg Shatan: (17:00) Apologies for arriving mid-stream.
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:00) @Maureen that is what I am saying - we need to focus on required characteristics
Greg Shatan: (17:01) Point of information: Is it voluntary to adopt the PIC (but enforceable thereafter), or voluntary once it’s adopted (i.e., more of a good intention)
Greg Shatan: (17:02) I should know, but...
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (17:04) the "voluntary" part is that it is not mandatory to file this type of PIC
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (17:04) so ti is a number of commitments that an applicant files at application time
Alan Greenberg: (17:04) PICs are enforceable. Compliance does not necessarily audit them, but on a complaint they can be enforced.
Maureen Hilyard: (17:05) @Hadia. I agree with you
Alan Greenberg: (17:05) Of course, if the PIC itself has weasel words in it, then it has little value. But most did not.
Sebastien: (17:05) Abry Partners Enters Into Agreement to Invest Majority Stake in Donuts
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (17:06) @Alan: most did not? Seriously? Many did!
Alan Greenberg: (17:06) Many PICs that were included had little value. But some were very important.
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (17:06) Sorry Marita, I didn't understood that you are working on the community definition
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (17:07) I trust you will, come up with the necessary elements of definition
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:11) If a registry is not meeting one or more of its PICs a report could be filed against the registry to icann explaining the non compliance and the harm
Marita Moll: (17:11) @Nadira -- we had a long conversation about definition. You might want to check it out in the recording. And check out the links offered by Alan & Oliver in the chat
Maureen Hilyard: (17:14) @Alan +1 re in-kind support (like mentoring or other similar services)
Nadira AL-Araj: (17:14) yes Marita but I was talking about the applicants as registrar
Nadira AL-Araj: (17:14) or community registrar
Marita Moll: (17:15) @nadira -- that did not come up. Maybe next time
Nadira AL-Araj: (17:15) Yes I tried to raise it from my input
Alfredo Calderon: (17:17) I believe that Eduardo posted a comment probably in the wiki workspace.
Alfredo Calderon: (17:17) @Olivier, thanks!
Maureen Hilyard: (17:18) Before there is another round (if ever) ICANN really needs to do more outreach to ensure that more people know what they need to know about applying for new gTLDs esp in underserved regions
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:18) +1 Maureen
John Laprise: (17:19) @Maureen We should have a new gTLD round that is only for PI
Maureen Hilyard: (17:20) :)
Christopher Wilkinson: (17:20) I have argued in the PDP for 'batchers' which are limited to specific categories.
John Laprise: (17:21) IMO Universal acceptance will occur incrementally over time. It's a temporary issue at best.
John Laprise: (17:21) +1 Christopher
Evin Erdoğdu: (17:25) ICANN Seeking Community Feedback on Proposed Unified Access Model: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/JXMeBg
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:26) @greg how does not really matter now
Greg Shatan: (17:29) EPDP only really needs 2 minutes — simple stuff. :-)
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (17:32) We have a time extension for this call.
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (17:32) +15 minutes
Greg Shatan: (17:33) Hard to hear
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (17:33) very hard to hear
Yesim Nazlar: (17:34) unfortunately not possible to increase Hadia's audio more
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (17:34) please speak closer to the mic
Yesim Nazlar: (17:34) @Hadia: you may wish to use the AC mic.
Greg Shatan: (17:37) Hadia, it might be helpful to summarize your remarks in the chat.
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:37) ok I'll send it in an email
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (17:37) thanks @Hadia
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:39) @greg sure I thnk that is what was agreed upon from the very beginning
Alan Greenberg: (17:40) @Hadia, yes, that WAS agreed to, but the issue keeps coming back.
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:40) However I am optimistic
Alan Greenberg: (17:41) Compliance with GDPR is a GOVEN. The only question is where is the line and what are the arguments for putting it there. Which of course we must get agreement from privacy commissioners.
Alan Greenberg: (17:41) GOVEN = GIVEN
Greg Shatan: (17:42) GDPR fluency in the EPDP is wildly variable.
Greg Shatan: (17:42) IMHO
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:43) Olivier can you put your question again
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (17:44) what is the maximum and minimum amount of data that the GDPR allows in WHOIS? We know that minimum is a dark whois (ie. no more whois). What is the maximum amount of data?
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:44) But access to everyone is not possible
Greg Shatan: (17:46) Is “access to everyone” even on the menu for discussion.
Greg Shatan: (17:47) I don’t think so.
Greg Shatan: (17:47) That’s really the UAM discussion....
Greg Shatan: (17:48) Access Delayed is Access Denied.
Greg Shatan: (17:49) ?
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (17:49) can anyone hear Hadia correctly?
Alan Greenberg: (17:49) No
Greg Shatan: (17:49) No
Alfredo Calderon: (17:49) Cann't understand anything!
Yesim Nazlar: (17:49) we can not hear you Hadia
Greg Shatan: (17:50) I think she is agreeing with everything I’ve said. Ever.
Evin Erdoğdu: (17:50) :)
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:50) yes email
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:50) phone bridge
Alan Greenberg: (17:51) Tesim, It may depend on WHERE they are doing the callout from.
Evin Erdoğdu: (17:51) IPC/BC Accreditation & Access Model for Non-Public Data v1.7: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/EXMeBg
Alan Greenberg: (17:51) Yesim
Yesim Nazlar: (17:52) @Alan: Will check with Adigo
Greg Shatan: (17:52) I will look at this particularly in light of the UAM Framework and our submission
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:53) thank you all bye
Hadia Elminiawi: (17:53) old hand
Nadira AL-Araj: (17:53) Thank you bye
Maureen Hilyard: (17:53) Thanks everyone for a very informative meeting
Alfredo Calderon: (17:53) Bye to all!
Greg Shatan: (17:54) We clashed today with the RPM Review WG.
Maureen Hilyard: (17:54) this is a 3am start for me
Maureen Hilyard: (17:55) Next week at 9am is a lot more manageable :)
Greg Shatan: (17:55) That gives you quite a head-start on the day! :-)
Gordon Chillcott: (17:55) Thanks and bye for now.
Maureen Hilyard: (17:55) @Greg.. thanks..
Evin Erdoğdu: (17:55) Thank you all, goodbye!
Evin Erdoğdu: (17:55) See you next week