Zoom chat: 2024-05-15 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

16:41:09 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call (CPWG) taking place on Wednesday, 15 May 2024 at 14:00 UTC.
16:41:12 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/pi7xBQ
16:47:49 From Captioner - Bonnie to Everyone:
    Hello!
16:48:23 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Hi Bonnie, welcome!
16:48:37 From Gabriel Bombambo(Kinshasa-RDC) to Everyone:
    Bonjour à tout le monde
16:48:53 From Captioner - Bonnie to Everyone:
    Thank you, Yesim!  The captions are all set. :)
16:58:34 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Hello All
16:59:23 From Jahongir Jabborov to Everyone:
    Hello
16:59:37 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Great cap
17:00:43 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    Yes loved the cap
17:01:01 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Wow nice
17:02:02 From Lilian Ivette to Everyone:
    Hello everyone
17:02:18 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    Tommy is on the call
17:02:20 From Tommi Karttaavi to Everyone:
    I’m here
17:02:44 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Real time transcription (RTT) available at: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
17:03:28 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone:
    Welcome to all the new Individual members, ICANN 80 Fellows and NextGennners.
17:03:50 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    @Tommi Karttaavi - we’ll remove your apology and add you to the participants list
17:04:20 From Alberto Soto to Everyone:
    Hi everyone, I'm back after several days of forced absence.
17:04:43 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Hi All
17:05:03 From Frank Anati to Everyone:
    Hi, everyone. Frank Anati from Ghana 
17:10:27 From avri doria to Everyone:
    If they are talking about the recommendations, then it is still subpro.
17:11:01 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    Reacted to "If they are talking ..." with 
17:16:32 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    If I sell springs
17:16:56 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
    Reacted to "If I sell springs" with 
17:17:12 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Would this be an RVC?
17:17:13 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    or springs as a small river
17:19:32 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
    @Justine Chew <OBSERVATION> Intended Use implies the semantics and it may not be a viable decider. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
17:20:01 From avri doria to Everyone:
    Replying to "Would this be an RVC..."
    
    a possibility.
17:26:16 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
    So ICANN is charging 250K per application and they want a third party to do the checking - what am I missing here
17:26:54 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Reacted to "So ICANN is charging..." with 
17:27:38 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Oh joy! Another way to game the system!
17:27:41 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
    Isn't that what a global technical coordinating body should be uniquely positioned to do?
17:27:47 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Isn't that what a gl..." with 
17:28:06 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Isn't that what a gl..." with 
17:29:27 From Alan Greenberg (ALAC) to Everyone:
    What is mechanism for verifying claim - new panel?
17:30:01 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Reacted to "What is mechanism fo..." with 
17:30:28 From ALAC - Satish Babu to Everyone:
    Will making a claim require a fee?
17:30:31 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Isn't that what a gl..." with 
17:31:50 From Alan Greenberg (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Subject to how it is implemented, this sounds like a reasonable solution that honours the change to forbid singular/plural.
17:33:58 From Nthabiseng Pule to Everyone:
    In Sesotho, banke means "take them"!
17:34:24 From Simone Catania to Everyone:
    Reacted to "In Sesotho, banke me..." with 
17:36:12 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Good examples in previous slides, make it easy to understand.
17:36:37 From Nthabiseng Pule to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Good examples in pre..." with 
17:37:31 From Betty Fausta to Everyone:
    Reacted to Good examples in pre... with 
17:37:44 From Betty Fausta to Everyone:
    Replying to "Good examples in pre..." 
    
     Exactly.
17:37:48 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    It seems ICANN is shifting responsibility.
17:38:03 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Good examples in pre…" with 
17:38:16 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    Replying to "Good examples in pre…"
    Yes. I agree
17:38:54 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    I think icann’s suggested Strawman seems to be a good compromise
17:38:56 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Oh joy! Another way ..." with 
17:39:03 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Any system will be gamed. It is human nature.
17:39:16 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Reacted to "It seems ICANN is sh..." with 
17:39:33 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
    Agree Amirta - This seems to be a classic conflict being ICANN "the corporation" and ICANN "the technical coordinating body"
17:40:09 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Agree Amirta - This ..." with 
17:40:29 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
    How do you raise hand in new Zoom workplace
17:40:38 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
    trying to raise hand
17:40:41 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Replying to "How do you raise han..."
    
    Under reactions
17:40:42 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Replying to "Any system will be g..."
    
    casual web surfer will also be confused
17:40:43 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    React -> Raise Hand
17:40:48 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
    It is under reactions
17:40:54 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
    Thank you
17:40:58 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Isn't that what a gl..." with 
17:42:49 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    I didnt understand your question
17:43:39 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    You mean that observers should do that?
17:49:54 From Alan Greenberg (ALAC) to Everyone:
    This may forbid some "valid" pairs, but so be it.
17:52:03 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    but isn't TVS a "brand" in this instance?
17:52:37 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Good examples in pre..." with 
17:52:47 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Isn't that what a gl..." with 
17:52:57 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Reacted to "What is mechanism fo..." with 
17:53:30 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    but thanks Justine for this update
17:53:30 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Agree Amirta - This ..." with 
17:53:34 From Alan Greenberg (ALAC) to Everyone:
    ICANN is not washing hands of all responsibility, but only of noticing the overlap. They still must resolve it.
17:53:58 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
    Yes it was a brand and would fit within this exception, I was just using that as an example to have flexibility in application
17:54:17 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Complicated by the fact that .TV is a repurposed ccTLD that has made a business from its string rather than from its local market.
17:55:17 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Thank you Justine for your extensive presentation
17:56:01 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Thank you Justine fo..." with 
17:56:55 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
    @Justine Chew - I would raise the issue of .HOME, I read a recent article that .HOME could be unbanned (https://domainincite.com/29861-home-mail-and-corp-could-get-unbanned) how would these rules be applied since there is already a .HOMES in the root?  How will this policy be applied since Google never withdrew their application for .HOME?
17:57:42 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
    Need to drop - for another call. Good discussion today.
17:57:51 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    The ALAC should oppose .HOME being allowed now
17:57:58 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    there is still a considerable risk
17:58:51 From Alan Greenberg (ALAC) to Everyone:
    @John, how some ccTLD use their string may be considered inappropriate, but until/unless the rules changes, it is what it is. (and that doesn't mean I support the practice)
17:59:26 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Reacted to "The ALAC should oppo..." with 
17:59:57 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Reacted to "The ALAC should oppo..." with 
18:00:51 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    @Alan Yep. Some ccTLDs have a lucky string and a small local market. They may not grounds to object based on them being ccTLDs and separate from ICANN. It is sort of an alternative roots issues.
18:06:24 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    ccTLD PDPs do not provide recommendations for second level domain names, however, it is possible to provide guidelines or good practices.
18:09:35 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Thank you Satish
18:11:49 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Yeah, we head to "drafting" too quickly some times!
18:11:58 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    Reacted to "Yeah, we head to "dr..." with 
18:12:37 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Thank you Satish for making it easy for everyone to contribute to the statement and for the table provided
18:15:00 From Andrew Chen - ICANN Org to Everyone:
    Tomorrow’s SubPro IRT agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=112200465
18:21:54 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
    Thank you all
18:22:18 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Perhaps there needs to be promotion of this concept that people DO, in fact, notice such things.
18:22:26 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    There has to be a request proposal. Simultaneously there needs to be some responsibility of ICANN in the process. There needs to be a balance.
18:23:02 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    *request mechanism
18:23:03 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    Let's just get gaming into the conversation so that there's at least an attempt to prevent it
18:23:18 From Alan Greenberg (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Re gaming, can we please be specific on exactly what practice we are referring to?
18:23:29 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Replying to "Let's just get gamin..."
    
    Agree atleast attempt to prevent gaming
18:23:39 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Replying to "Let's just get gamin..."
    
    we understand it cannot be 100%
18:23:45 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    The prospect of ICANN empaneling a group of experts (linguistics) is IMHO nil.
18:25:17 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    The whole point of gaming a system is like hacking. It is about seeing vulnerabilities that others have not seen. The important thing is that a system can have that vulnerability eliminated and the damage limited. It is not possible to eliminate gaming.
18:25:36 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Reacted to "The whole point of g..." with 
18:25:42 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Replying to "The whole point of g..."
    
    Agree
18:25:47 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    Plural of "hotel" -- answered in 2 seconds:     French: hôtel     Spanish: hotel     Italian: albergo     Portuguese: hotel     Dutch: hotel     Russian: гостиница (gostinitsa)     Japanese: ホテル (hoteru)     Chinese (Mandarin): 酒店 (jiǔdiàn)     Arabic: فندق (funduq)     Hindi: होटल (hoṭal)     Swahili: hotel     Greek: ξενοδοχείο (xenodocheío)     Korean: 호텔 (hotel)
18:26:21 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
    well -- this is the singular of "hotel" in my example but hyou get the idea :-)
18:26:52 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
    Replying to "well -- this is the ..."
    
    So ask for "hotel" and then ask for "hotels" to find plurals?
18:27:07 From Alberto Soto to Everyone:
    Thanks, bye bye!!
18:27:10 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
    MY thought was a about intentionally creating contention sets
18:27:15 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Thank you all
18:27:26 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Thank YOU Justine!
18:27:45 From Jahongir Jabborov to Everyone:
    Thank you all !
18:27:48 From Nthabiseng Pule to Everyone:
    Thank you everyone
18:27:51 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Thank you Satish and Justine for the presentations
18:27:56 From Bukola Oronti to Everyone:
    Thank you all
18:28:00 From ALAC - Satish Babu to Everyone:
    Thanks everyone!
18:28:03 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    Thanks and bye everyone.
18:28:07 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone:
    Bye all
18:28:11 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
    I will be in apology for next call
18:28:19 From Theorose Elikplim Dzineku to Everyone:
    Thank you
18:28:20 From Arinola Akinyemi to Everyone:
    Thanks and bye all
18:28:22 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
    Thanks and later all.
18:28:22 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
    Bye all!
18:28:28 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
    Thank you !
18:28:36 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
    Thank you all
18:28:37 From Alfredo Calderon to Everyone:
    Bye to all!
18:29:08 From Eduardo M. to Everyone:
    thanks
18:29:14 From Harold Arcos to Everyone:
    Thanks all, , bye bye
18:29:16 From Theorose Elikplim Dzineku to Everyone:
    bye