APRALO 26.04.11 Transcript
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Giselle Gruber: …Giselle, Edmon, and Charles. We have Siva, who’s on mute,
he’s driving. We have Cheryl. From staff we have Seth and Heidi.
Olivier, as well, has joined. (inaudible 00:13).
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I’m not sure we’ve got in the staff yet, have we?
Giselle Gruber: No. I know. That’s fine. (inaudible 00:20)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: It just seems like a full-time occupation to him, I’m sure. Hey,
(inaudible 00:28) to me.
Pavan Budhrani: Hi there. Pavan here.
Charles Mok: Hi Pavan.
Giselle Gruber: Hi Pavan.
Pavan Budhrani: Hi.
Charles Mok: Hi. Should we get started?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Certainly.
Charles Mok: Okay. Let me come to my agenda. So we had the role call. Let’s
take a look at #2 - the Action Items from the March call. I’m
looking at it now, and I think, let’s see – oops, what’s happening to
my computer? Okay.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: It probably (inaudible 00:01:25), that’s all.
Charles Mok: Okay. The open position for ICANN. We suggest some candidate,
and so on. Any update on that? #2 - Edmon would draft a response
for the IDN Variant. I think that has been done, right? Yes.
We’re encouraged to provide more comment on the Global
Outreach Program. I don’t recall who was set to be responsible for
that, or was it a general call for all of our members. Anybody?
Pavan Budhrani: It was a general call for all the members in the e-mail, I think, was
sent out for but no comment was received.
Charles Mok: The next item about the Working Group for the Showcase Event, I
think we’ll come back to that later on in the agenda. The comment
on the budget proposal that I submitted, I think we pretty much
passed the deadline again. I haven’t received any further comment
on that. There has been some suggestion or discussion. I think let’s
take the experience of this time and see how it works out. Let’s try
to improve it. Next year when we submit the budget, hopefully
we’ll be able to get more comments, specific comments on the
items. Okay?
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Fouad is not in this call, so I think we’ll leave it until next time so
he can give us some update on the Pakistan ISOC situation with
the ALS application.
The last item about the election. This is the last week of the
election timetable for the nomination. I believe some nominations
might be coming in, as usual, in the last minute. We’ll keep an eye
on that and update everybody on the development.
Does anyone have any further thing to say about the Action Items
from the last meeting? Well, if not, let us move on to the APROLO
election announcement. I’m not sure what further we have to say
about that, because the timetable for the election for the Chairman
and the Secretariat has been announced. Right now, we’re at the
last week of the nomination period, which started on April 6 until
the 29th. I understand we haven’t received anything yet, right? Seth
or Pavan, right?
Pavan Budhrani: Yes, nothing yet.
Charles Mok: Right. So we will, as I said, probably everybody is going to be
submitting something in the last week. We’ve heard that there
were some people who have expressed some interest, so we are
expecting at least something. Let’s see how it works at this time.
Anybody has any comment on this, because we’re right in the
middle of the nomination period. I don’t know what further we
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should be discussing at the call other than we are (inaudible
0:05:03).
Pavan Budhrani: I think as Secretariat I could by e-mail send out one more e-mail
reminding everyone of the deadline, and see if there are any
nominations they want to make. I can do that.
Charles Mok: Yes, okay, that’s good. Pavan can send it out one more time, and
we make sure that we monitor the situation, and make sure that
hopefully we will be able to get something coming in within this
week.
Anyone has any further updates on the third item on the
nominations, the elections, announcements, and so on?
Edmon Chung: This is Edmon. Actually, sorry, I brought this up a little bit late. I
was booting up my computer. I wanted to jump back on the item
on the IDN Variant Issues Project. I just want to put in the record
that we did put in a statement, and also there is a call for volunteers
right now. I think it would be useful for APRALO ALSes to
volunteer and join the effort. Just as a follow-up item on the IDN
Variant Issues Project. That’s really just it.
I wanted to open it so that people – just to remind people that an
open invitation is out for volunteers. For those who are interested,
and I think there should be quite a few interested in this region,
(inaudible 06:52).
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Charles Mok: In addition to putting it into our minutes, is it possible for Pavan to
actually also send out another separate announcement so that
people will probably be able to take further notice about this call
for volunteers?
Pavan Budhrani: (inaudible 0:07:10), I can send that out.
Charles Mok: Okay. Thank you. Any further – okay, let’s move on to the next
item then. I think we can move on beyond #3.
#4 is, again, under my Regional Policy Work agenda. There are
two items here in the papers attached. Actually, I think the best
thing to do – well, the two items are the Joint ALAC and GNSO
RAA Drafting Team, and the Geographic Regional Working
Groups. I actually haven’t started working on these. I would
propose that we will start looking at these papers, and proposing
that if necessary, we will go through the same procedures as we
did before. That we will solicit members input, and then draft a
report and submit if necessary.
Does anybody have anything to add about these two items? I think
nobody has too much ideas about what they are yet. I promise I’ll
take a look at these and come back later on, or in the next call,
hopefully submit anything if necessary from APRALO.
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If there’s no objection, we’ll come to the next main item on the
agenda today, which is the APRALO Showcase in Singapore, the
next ICANN meeting. Actually, there have been quite a number of
e-mails back and forth between Seth, Pavan, myself, Edmon and
some other people regarding the formation of the Working Group.
Actually, Seth just sent a message to me not long ago.
We should be formalizing and setting up a working group quickly,
and setting up a first meeting, but there are also other work that has
been discussed particularly because Edmon and Pavan were in
Singapore not too long ago. I think they have been discussing with
some local folks over there about what can be done. Maybe I’ll let
Edmon or Pavan to give us a little bit of an update about what’s
been going on. Seth can also help us come in about points about
forming the working group.
Edmon Chung: This is Edmon. I guess I’ll start. We, (inaudible 09:59) Seth and
Pavan was in Singapore, as Charles mentioned. We took a look at
some of the possible venues. We were still waiting for a couple of
things; one is the pricing, the cost for the venue. The other thing is
the appropriate timing for it. As I guess we all know, there is a
slightly different anticipated agenda for this coming up ICANN
meeting because of the special board meeting on Monday. I guess
this is one of the things that perhaps, Seth, we should bring up in
the Working Group as well is which day we want, or which
evening we want the Showcase to be.
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In terms of a venue, we took a look at a few of the options. We’re
waiting for the pricing, and also waiting for the ICANN meeting
team to come back and see whether we can use their venue or we
would need to book our own venue. That’s the update from here.
There are a couple that could work right in the hotel complex,
because there are two hotels to the conference center. There are a
few of them, venues that should be possible. We just need to nail
down the budget, and also timing, in order to finally consider the
venue.
Charles Mok: Pavan, anything you might want to add there?
Pavan Budhrani: I think Edmon just covered it. We’re waiting for their reply back
from the hotel about some of the costings for the event for the
venues we saw which is actually on the 69th and the 70th floor of
the Swiss Hotel. Once we get the costing for that, we can share that
with the staff and see how to move forward from there.
Charles Mok: Okay. I think the main thing that we still need to discuss, and if we
can get some direction from this meeting here so that we can
proceed with the Working Group would be, whether or not there
might be any suggestion or ideas from this group regarding the
overriding theme of the Showcase and any particular suggestion
for keynote speakers or other speakers so that we can take back to
the Working Group to work on those details. Otherwise, the
Working Group would probably discuss and make our own
decisions then come back to this forum via a meeting or e-mail to
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inform this group. If there’s any particular interest or suggestions,
hopefully you can bring it up here now.
The other thing, of course, is that I would like to call the
participants in this group to volunteer yourself to join the Working
Group if you are interested. I will be working with Seth to set up
the next meeting with the Working Group shortly in another
conference call. Anything you might need to add, Seth, to that?
Seth Greene: Thanks, very much. I would just actually add the last point on the
agenda regarding the Showcase Working Group. At the same time
that group members are thinking about keynote speakers, they also
might want to start thinking about potential sponsors for it.
As I understand it, actually, APRALO has perhaps $1,000 of its
own money but very typically outside sponsors have been gotten. I
think, notably, the last one in San Francisco, Google was a
sponsor. I think that’s probably going to be – my guess would be
that that’s what you’re going to want to do with the Singapore
Showcase, the same thing probably.
Charles Mok: How did it work? Did the sponsors, do they sponsor particular
RALO regions, is it an overall sponsorship, or it means that we as
APRALO would try to get our own sponsors?
Seth Greene: I think the latter, the last option, actually. As the APRALO
Showcase Work Group probably would go out and solicit sponsors
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on its own. Actually on the Showcase Work Group Work Space,
there is a link to a To Do List of the various tasks with actually
target dates, in fact, to make it easier on the members. That
includes actually thinking about the sponsors, and sending letters
out to potential sponsors.
Charles Mok: Right. I actually am looking at that. I guess Seth has been kindly
reminding us as to the importance of starting the Working Group
quickly. I think let’s try to, again, see if any members other than
the four names that I see on the list so far that is myself, Pavan,
Edmon and Cheryl, anybody else who might be able to help with
coming up with ideas and come to our meetings with the Working
Group, please join and e-mail to any of us, myself or Seth, so that
we’ll make sure that you’re informed about our next Working
Group meeting. We’ll start to do those things more systematically.
Seth, any idea when we might be best convening a first meeting for
the Working Group? I’m sure as soon as possible.
Seth Greene: I would hope as soon as possible. Yes, I think a doodle might be
needed unless the members can simply decide among themselves.
Actually I see, Charles, that Cheryl has her hand raised.
Charles Mok: Oh, okay. I didn’t notice that from the Adobe. Yes, Cheryl?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Am I still muted, or can you hear me?
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Seth Greene: We can hear you.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Great. Okay, because I’ve actually spoken up a couple of times,
but even after Giselle unmated me, so I was –
Charles Mok: We didn’t hear you before this.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I was assuming I must have still been muted. Okay, a couple of
things on this. Yes, we need to do it as soon as possible, but I
would probably look at middle to late next week as being a
reasonable time.
Re: sponsors – each of the RALOs has approached their Showcase
in a different way. If we can get a sponsor, that’s great, but it’s not
mandatory. It just makes a difference on how we do, and what we
do. For example, AFRALO, the very first Showcase, had minimal
sponsorship and shared an activity with the (inaudible 17:43), and
support, and facilities that were being provided for the fellowship
activity that was on that night. There’s a number of ways we can
skin the cat.
Just wanted to know in terms of the question of days, if it’s not
going to be the Sunday evening, you probably would need to look
at the Thursday which, of course, you’ll get minimum board
involvement because they are obviously heavily involved with the
preparation for the public meeting by then. That would not be my
preferred option. As Heidi pointed out, Monday is going to be all
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that and (inaudible 18:24), Tuesday’s music night, and
Wednesday’s the Gala. It also doesn’t have to be a night.
EURALO did a mid-afternoon activity. We do have a number of
options and flexibilities. It could be Monday lunchtime. There’s
other ways of doing it. Let’s not just restrict ourselves to what was
done last time. There are a number of mixes and mechanisms that
we can do.
In terms of title, etc., just for the record, theme. Something that
staff, Giselle, and Rochelle have chatted about this, it was pointed
out, and I’m sure we’d all be clear in understanding the fact that
we are now back at Singapore. The very first formal, public,
ICANN meeting was held in Singapore, so perhaps we could do a
looking back/looking forward, that kind of thing.
Ann Rochelle suggested to Giselle that there was, of course, a
number of pioneers that were at that first meeting that we might be
able to see if we can snaffle. Perhaps, rather than just a keynote
speaker, we might put a small two or three luminaries together if
we were so lucky. The names that Ann Rochelle was reminding us
of was, of course, Esther Dawson. Most importantly – and Paul
Twomey and Nii Quaynor. Well, Nii Quaynor has already spoken
at the AFROLO one. Paul Twomey, yes he does belong into the
Australian space of the Asia Pacific.
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The one that excited me most out of the old lineup was Pindar
Wong. That makes perfect sense to me. First on the very first
ICANN board, and still very, very active. Still a leader in Asia
Internet. Maybe we can think along those lines, looking
backward/looking forward type stuff.
I guess that’s it for me. There’s a couple of other names that I’ve
thrown into the mix, but let’s get together next week and see what
we can shake out of the trees.
Charles Mok: Okay. Thank you, Cheryl. Any other comments? Back to your
question about whether we need you. I think we always need you,
Cheryl. If you can spend the time and help us with the Working
Group, and give us ideas and suggestions like you just did, that
would always be very helpful.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Okay.
Charles Mok: Any other comments from other folks on the call? With that, I
think, Seth, let’s get back to our e-mail and other communications
and make sure we doodle or otherwise come up with quickly a
time for next meeting.
I think the core people who have signed up is a relatively small
number, so we should be able to get the call up and fix our time
relatively soon. Hopefully, other people can join. Okay?
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Seth Greene: Absolutely. In fact, Charles, should we make an Action Item right
now to send out a doodle for middle to late next week?
Charles Mok: Sure. Yes, and we can probably respond with the next 24 or 48
hours. We fix it so other people can plan to join, even if they
haven’t doodled themselves in. Okay?
Seth Greene: Terrific. Yes, I’ll ask Giselle.
Charles Mok: Okay, thank you.
Giselle Gruber: Olivier has his hand up.
Charles Mok: Oh, okay. Oh, I missed that, too? Olivier?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Thanks, very much, Charles and thanks, Cheryl, for noting my
hand. I was just going to suggest one thing. Because the Asia
Pacific region is the first region that has completely run out of
IPV4 addresses, I was going to suggest that one of your speakers,
at least one of your speakers would be an expert in IPV6 and
would be able to say a few words about this. I think it’s possibly a
significant thing, and I just wondered if you’d considered someone
like Joey Ito or someone in the region. Jeff Houston is very much
involved in IPV6 in this part of the world. It’s just a suggestion.
Thanks.
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Charles Mok: That’s a good suggestion. Thank you. Let us then move on to our
next item. Let me go back. Okay, report and update. Let’s see. The
Chair’s report update from ALAC member and liaison, and the
ALS applications. Pavan, do we have any update on the first point
in this point #6? No Pavan? Maybe he –
Pavan Budhrani: Hello. Yes, I’m right here. For that one, it’s just a report from
Charles, yourself, on the current affairs of APRALO that we can
have the ALAC members, maybe Edmon, could give some updates
about the latest stuff going on.
Edmon: Of course, there’s Cheryl there, too. I guess for ALAC-wise, there
has been quite a number of activities. There’s a meeting coming up
tonight. I don’t know – hello? (inaudible 24:51)
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (inaudible 24:51) lost to Cheryl.
Edmon Chung: A lot of time was spent on pulling up on the new (inaudible 25:00)
with the (inaudible 25:03) from the last meeting which has been in
– through the chat, I guess Cheryl lost audio.
Since the San Francisco meeting, the first couple of weeks in the
ALAC have been focused very much on the new GTLB work in
response to the GAC Score Card. I think a lot of work has been
ongoing on the JAS Working Group, the Joint Applicant Support
Working Group as well, and number of other statements, some of
which we have discussed here as well.
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The PEDNA, the Post Exploration – I forgot the long name. Post
Exploration Domain Policy. A number of other items, as well.
Since Cheryl has lost audio, than that’s somewhat the update. The
next meeting is later on today – I think later on today, or
tomorrow.
Charles Mok: I think today, yes.
Heidi Ullrich: It is today.
Edmon Chung: We’ll have more updates in the next meeting.
Charles Mok: If that’s the case, actually, I don’t think that – we’re sort of in an
interim situation. I really don’t have any formal Chairman’s report
at the moment between myself and Fouad as the interim persons
for APRALO. I guess we’ll probably have to skip that and go on to
the ALS applications, see if there are any updates from Seth.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Sorry. I’m now unmuted. If you don’t mind, Charles, just
(inaudible 27:16).
Charles Mok: Cheryl, yes, please.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Just to remind people of the community briefing on the Security,
Stability and Resiliency Budget that I absolutely (inaudible 27:29)
time for APRALO ALSes. It would work out, I guess, somewhere
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between our midnight and our 4:00 AM today, depending on what
part of the time zone world you’re in. For me, I think it’s a
convenient 3:00 AM.
I will be there. I’m assuming Edmon will be, as well. It would be
very important that when this goes for public comment, as it will
be, that if we can get some more input in from our ALSes, that
would be extremely useful. The reason being that the Security,
Stability Resiliency Budget and the actions affect us all,
particularly in re-emerging and developing markets and spaces
which are very much focused on the Asia Pacific region as well as
other parts of courses of the world.
We do have a strong vested interest in this, as I’m sure you all
know. I don’t expect many ALSes to turn up, but that’s no reason
for us not to perhaps reach out to the ALSes and get them
involved.
Charles Mok: Thank you, Cheryl. Back to Seth about the ALS applications.
Seth Greene: Thank you, Charles. There are two pending, of course. Net Mission
Asia has given staff the liaison from the region. Some difficulties
with the due diligence. I have to say I’m not sure of the details, but
the solution seems to most likely be that Marilyn will be collecting
the remaining information on her own that’s going to be needed
and she’ll circulate that to APRALO as soon as it’s available so
that the RALO can give us advice.
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The due diligence for the Internet society called Cada Chapter is
just beginning actually, so that’s still basically ahead of us. That’s
actually the information as it is now, Charles.
Charles Mok: Thank you. I lost my screen.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes. All we’ve got is the chat space, is all I can see. As exciting as
the chat is, it’s not everything there is in the Adobe Connect Room.
While we’re fixing and bonding screens and things, can I ask – the
issues with the due diligence, is it a matter of material that is being
put in the application not checking out, not being easily accessible,
or is there some missing bits in the application?
Seth Greene: Actually, Cheryl, I think I have the answer to that. I’m not sure. If
I’ve understood Marilyn’s e-mail correctly, than so far all of the
information that’s been confirmed has actually stood up from the
application. It’s not an issue of any contradictions. I think it’s just
an issue of it being slow so far in actually confirming the
information that’s in the applications.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Okay, got it.
Seth Greene: I’m also attempting to fix the Adobe Chat Room but so far,
obviously, have not succeeded. I wonder if Mikeus (sp) would
appreciate our calling him right about now.
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Of the host, does anyone – ah, it just…on my screen, at least, it just
somewhat got fixed. Is that what everyone else is seeing right
now?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Oh, that’s fixed now. Thank you.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Now?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Well done. Yippee! Indeed, Olivier. Yippee!
Giselle Gruber: Yes, correct.
Charles Mok: Yippee. Yes, I saw that, too. I need to find my agenda, which is
lost.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: You were up to item #7, which is the ExCom Request for
Feedback on APRALO Communications Needs. Something was to
be done by May 6. Seth was going to lead us through that section.
Seth Greene: With your permission, Charles, yes, during the last ExCom
meeting it was requested that each of the RALO’s consider a
couple of questions. Largely to come out of the fact that we have
an ongoing offer from ICANN Communications to collaborate
with At-Large. That, so far, led to some successful podcasts as I
understand it, as well as some other material.
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At this point, if I’m reporting this correctly, the ExCom would like
the RALOs themselves to get more involved in this collaboration.
Two questions that it’s asked the RALOs to get back to it with, and
it very much asked specifically for feedback on this. I think an
estimate of a timeline here might be, let’s say, during the next two
weeks before the next – not tomorrow, but the next ExCom
meeting following that.
That’s #1 - what is the APRALO’s communication needs at this
point? Are there any specific materials that it feels would most
benefit its’ region? Secondly, to what extent at this point does
APRALO feel prepared to actually collaborate with
communications, whether it’s in making a podcast, collecting
people maybe from the RALO to be interviewed for a podcast?
That’s just one example, of course.
May I ask Olivier, Cheryl, did I summarize that fairly accurately,
or somewhat accurately?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes, you did. I’m happy with that. I’ve also got my hand up when
–
Charles Mok: Yes. You’ve got a hand up, Cheryl.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Okay. Thank you for that, Seth. A couple of things, I’m working
backwards from what you raised. I think APRALO should be very
keen to be involved in contributing interviewees, and voice, and
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then suggestions on topics and matters for the podcasts and the
outreach material.
Our voices are the most diverse in language and culture. The
opportunity to bring a sampling of that into the materials that are
being now prepared by ICANN I think is an enormous opportunity
and one that I would encourage us not to miss out on.
In terms of what we could be working with right now, we certainly
should be looking at making sure that our At-Large Structures
know what materials are already available. I doubt that the rank
and file, let alone the leaders of our ALSes, know what is in the
outreach material that is currently available, both the podcasts and
the online stuff, but also the hard copy.
The one that comes immediately to mind, of course, is the
excellent materials on IPV6 and IPV4, the need to transition to
IPV6 from IPV4, that they’ve prepared. That would be very
relevant to a number of our ALSes now. That’s just one that comes
off the top of the head.
The other thing in terms of our communication need, and now I’m
speaking specifically from my At-Large Structure’s point of view,
but it may be worthwhile asking the other At-Large Structures. My
At-Large Structure, the Internet Society of Australia, is particularly
keen to build on the page that is (inaudible 36:36) in the APRALO
space on the Wiki.
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We would very much like to have the Region’s permission to start
having one, two, or perhaps three people – not me, in addition to
me, that can have Confluence logging in and edit rights, and start
building sub-pages under that page which is being prepared by IT
already. We’d also respectfully request that we can be amongst the
first of the At-Large Structures to start utilizing an Adobe Connect
Room that would be specifically linked off that parent page, the
one that is our ALS page.
I would be very surprised if we were the only At-Large Structure
interested in that, but we are very keen to start making use of that
tool. Clearly, it’s up to the Region whether or not an ALS can say,
“Here are the three or four names that we would like to make
editors of our sub-pages on our (inaudible 37:46).” That was it
from my point of view.
Charles Mok: Thank you, Cheryl. Olivier, did you have something you might
need to add, also?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Thanks, very much, Charles. Actually, Cheryl has gone through it
very well. I think she’s very eloquent in describing those things, so
no thanks. Nothing else to add, thanks.
Charles Mok: Thank you. Any further discussion on this item?
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Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Can I ask a question of staff, perhaps Charles? Who in the Region
– or perhaps Pavan can answer the question? Who in the Region
has edit rights on the APRALO consort of pages and/or the
individual ALS pages? Has anybody been allocated, or can people
like me and Olivier do whatever we damn well please?
Okay. Well, that’s important to know. If all the APRALO writs
have editing privileges, that would mean that the voting person in
each ALS has been approached to be given a Confluence log-in, or
not?
Charles Mok: I, myself, do not recall.
Heidi Ullrich: Cheryl, this is Heidi.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I think maybe we need to do a bit of an IT tidy on that. Can we
have that as an Action Item that perhaps in the not too distance
future, but in advance of the next meeting, we sort out as a Region
who gets what, why and how. You’ve heard my requests,
specifically, from my ALSes perspective anyway.
Heidi Ullrich: Cheryl, this is Heidi.
Charles Mok: Heidi, please.
Heidi Ullrich: This is Heidi. Hi. Yes, my memory, if it’s still working correctly is
that all ALS representatives or members for APRALO were given
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privileges to the APRALO pages. I’ll double-check that. We do
have an Excel sheet that has all of the privileges for each of the
Regions, so it won’t be very difficult to confirm that.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: For example, I’ve got something that I think the APRALO
leadership should have as not only have the knowledge of, but
have access to that spreadsheet. Should one of us go rogue, they
can pull the plug on us, for example.
Heidi Ullrich: We’ll send that to you.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: To Charles, Fouad and Pavan, yes.
Charles Mok: Yes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: It would be nice if Edmon and I had a copy from a courtesy point
of view –
Charles Mok: Yes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: – Charles, Fouad and Pavan are the leaders of APRALO.
Charles Mok: Yes. Okay, so we’ve finished point #7. The next point is #10 on
the agenda. The Confluence Update, which we’re already talking
about. Seth, anything you’d like to talk about there? Hello?
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Seth Greene: If the members of APRALO don’t know it yet, there’s been a big
effort going on to actually clean up and improve the Wiki pages,
including the APRALO pages. Broken links have been fixed.
There’s been reformatting done. Widow pages and orphan pages
have been fixed. Hopefully, people are beginning to notice that
there’s a little more functionality where it’s expected within the
overall Wiki.
The other item is that there is, as people in San Francisco heard, a
very good Confluence Wiki Manual that’s available now on the
Wiki itself. It answers a number of questions, and there’s a link to
that in the Link Pod in the lower left of the Adobe Connect Room.
There is a link to that Confluence Wiki Guide, the next to the last
one, if anyone would like to take a look.
That’s everything. Thank you, Charles.
Charles Mok: Thank you.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I’ve got my hand up again.
Charles Mok: Great.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Sorry, Charles. You mustn’t be seeing the little messages. You’re
supposed to get a message every time one of us waves our hand. I
don’t know what’s happening (inaudible 42:41).
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Charles Mok: I saw it. Yes, my screen is locking up, so I keep switching between
one and another. Please, yes, Cheryl.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I had two questions to Seth on this matter. One was, should an At-
Large Structure want to have the Confluence Wiki Guide, which is
excellent. I’m totally supportive of it. I think it’s fantastic. Should
they wish to have it available in a local language PDF, is it
possible for either the consideration for ICANN staff to consider
whether or not that fits into a language requirement, or if it’s fairly
small, I would have thought maybe just a few languages which
would be significant enough for us to do, anyway. If it’s a very
small language or script, in terms of global need, is it possible for
us to work on getting local language translations done and just
crosscheck with the languages team? How does one go about – if
we want to have it in a particular Indian dialect, for example? How
might we go about that? You probably may not be able to answer
it, but it’s a question that I’d like to put on notice.
The second point with the Confluence Wiki and the methods that
we can now make some use of these things is – if we’re going to
have these things that you got us as ALS mechanisms, are we in a
situation where changes to the individual ALS pages when they’re
done can be somehow copied or noted on the main APRALO
page? I would hate to think that one or an other ALS was laboring
away thinking that their material was being promulgated and the
Region didn’t know about it. A sub-section of that question, is it at
all possible for work done on the Confluence Wiki to be almost
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templated, or standardized? Are we looking to that, or are we as a
Region wanting to show the diversity? For example, ICANN
works in English. Is it possible for an ALS to have the sub-pages
of their Confluence Wiki space done totally in whatever script suits
them, or do they have to provide it in English, as well?
Seth Greene: Charles, may I?
Charles Mok: Yes.
Seth Greene: Cheryl, I think you’re right. A lot of those questions, and answers
to those questions, probably should be put to Christine in
Language Services. Heidi, would you say that’s correct? We could
make that an Action Item regarding the local dialects question.
Heidi Ullrich: Yes. On that issue, yes.
Seth Greene: Okay, terrific. I would think – Heidi, I’m also thinking if a local
ALS wanted to produce one of the pages in a language other than
English, one of it’s own trial pages. Is that what you’re talking
about, Cheryl?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes, absolutely.
Seth Greene: It would just be an issue of – assuming that the font characters
were the typical Western characters, I assume that it would
certainly be able to do that. Even if it wasn’t, I would assume that
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it would be easy to actually get whatever missing characters are
needed onto the page. I think that’s probably something we could
discuss with Roman.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Sorry, if I may just follow-on from that Charles.
Charles Mok: Please.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: It just (inaudible 47:05). A number of ALSes will be producing
materials that are designed in a local language or local script or
dialect, be it an online form, printed form, or whatever. I wouldn’t
want to see people not put it up. The fact that there is a PDF
version of something I absolutely, positively, cannot read because
I’m simply an Australian doesn’t bother me. The fact that an ALS
has put up a broad sheet on a particular topic. I can have a look at
it, and if need be, run it through some sort of translation tool to get
the gist of it, but if me and my ALS can go, “Wow, what’s
happening in that Indian ALS is just brilliant, and we’d like to do
something similar,” I think that’s extremely valuable, but I think
we probably need to establish that as a criteria, a yea or a nay, and
what standards, if any, we need to put on that.
Charles, if you could indulge me, I have a piece of any other
business that relates to this which I will hold until that goes to the
agenda.
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Charles Mok: Sure. Maybe we’ll come back to that in case there are any other
discussions on this point, #10, before we move on to AOB. Heidi,
do you have anything to add other than what you put on to the chat
room?
Heidi Ullrich: No. I’m typing though.
Charles Mok: Olivier, you have something you’d like to add?
Heidi Ullrich: Only for the ALSes, I believe that they belong with the ALSes so
they should be able to use any language that they wish on a trial
page. Given that the language of ICANN is English, I would
suggest that some English be used. Marilyn Vernon will be
reaching out in the next several months to the ALSes, starting with
APRALO, to ensure that they do have (a) that they’re aware of the
pages, and (b) that they have text of a somewhat similar content on
these pages.
Charles Mok: Olivier?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Thank you, Charles. I was just going to ask – first one comment,
which was I think that if ALSes wish to translate the Confluence
Guide to their local languages in order for their members to be able
to use the Community Pages and contribute to them, I think it’s a
fantastic thing. It’s a really good idea. Anything that can help
further input is something that I think is very good.
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The only question I have, and this one is directed at staff, is whether there is any copyright issue
with regards to the guide itself, or are ALSes able to translate it
and publish it in their local language?
Charles Mok: Yes. Heidi?
Heidi Ullrich: Yes, if I may. That’s a good question. Olivier, if I could have
Roman perhaps address that during tomorrow’s Executive
Committee meeting. He will be a guest speaker during that call.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Okay, perfect. Thank you.
Charles Mok: Okay. Thank you. Any further discussion on the Wiki? If not, than
we can move on to AOB. Cheryl, you first have something you
want to say here?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thank you very much, Charles. I appreciate that. It is related to
Wiki matters, but it really is about the old Wiki not the new Wiki,
so I was happy to leave it to any other business.
Just so you’ll all know, I got very excited when I was showing the
Confluence Wiki some moons ago now, because one of the things
that I was assured as Chair at that stage of ALAC was as the
migration was done, a number of pages which I knew I could no
longer access on the old Social Text Wiki may have been
unearthed and indeed orphaned.
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They had been particularly important parts of Asia Pacific
Regional At Large Organization history. For example, I have not
checked, but I certainly am going to do so, have we in fact
unearthed and discovered the original election pages? Going right
back to our very first set of elections, we had social text records of
those.
In 2009, in the latter part of 2009, those pages became
disconnected and/or disappeared. Now people assured me that they
hadn’t disappeared, they were just orphaned somehow. We were
supposed to unearth these darling little orphans as we migrated to
the Confluence page. If that hasn’t been successful, than I fear that
we have lost a serious amount of APRALO’s history. I would be
equally fearful for the other Regions as well.
Charles Mok: Okay. Any other AOB – thank you, Cheryl, first of all. Any other
business any one would like to bring up here? If not, then I think
we can come to the close of this call. I have to apologize, I’m new
at this. Thank you for bearing with me in the last hour. Yes, we
also need to – again, I also want to say that because this is the last
week of the nomination period for the Chair, Vice-Chairs, and the
Secretariat, we hope that more of the ALSes and so on, and our
participants from AP can come forward, get nominated, get into
the action, and get into the process. Again, Pavan will send out
another note on that.
If there’s no other business, then we can close this call on time.
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Heidi Ullrich: Charles? This is Heidi.
Charles Mok: Yes, Heidi. Please.
Heidi Ullrich: I think that we’ve missed an agenda item. That was the one,
Executive Committee Request for Feedback Regarding
APRALO’s Communication Needs.
Charles Mok: Okay. Sorry about that. Yes.
Heidi Ullrich: (inaudible 54:04)
Giselle Gruber: We didn’t miss it.
Heidi Ullrich: Oh, we didn’t?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: No, we did not. It may not have been as (inaudible 54:13) to your
desire, but it was addressed. (inaudible 54:16)
Charles Mok: We might have went through it too quickly, maybe. If there’s
anything that Heidi would want to add here? We did discuss this. If
there’s anything that Heidi needs to add here?
Heidi Ullrich: Okay, sorry. No. I just didn’t pick up on what the action, the
takeaways from that were. I’ll get back to Seth, apologies.
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Charles Mok: No problem. Anything else anybody might need to say before we
close the meeting? If not, have a nice rest of your day, whatever
time zone you’re at. Thank you.
Heidi Ullrich: Thanks, everyone.
Charles Mok: Thank you. Bye.
All: Thank you. Bye.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: You’ll be on the call later for ALAC?
Charles Mok: I will.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (inaudible 55:11). Don’t be like that. Bye.
Heidi Ullrich: Thank you, everyone.
Unknown: Thanks, very much. Bye-bye.
Unknown: Thank you.
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