ALT 2014.07.17 Chat

  Terri Agnew:Welcome to the ALAC Leadership Team (ALT) Mid-Month Meeting on Thursday 17th July 2014 at 19:00 UTC

  Terri Agnew:meeting page:https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/0xdSBg

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:Hello Terri

  Kathy Schnitt:Hello Terri

  Terri Agnew:Hi everyone

  Heidi Ullrich:Hi All!

  Maureen Hilyard:Hi everyone

  Terri Agnew:as a reminder, please mute your phone when not speaking

  Maureen Hilyard:Olivier, I have a work meeting in 90 minutes, may have to leave after an hour. Sorry

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Hello everyone

  Alan Greenberg:Will be on the bridge in  a moment.

  Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, Alan

  Julie Hammer:It's usually 1-3am!

  Heidi Ullrich:ATLAS II /At-Large/ALAC Action Items: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/als2/pages/99321302/ATLAS+II+Action+Items

  Heidi Ullrich:8. Review of Arrangements of Working Groups on NTIA IANA & ICANN Accountability - Olivier Crepin-Leblond (15 minutes)

  Heidi Ullrich:to be moved to item 3.

  Maureen Hilyard:Thought youd like that recommendation Holly

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:there seems to be some feedback

  Alan Greenberg:Unbearable noise!

  Maureen Hilyard:I have lost sound

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:putting it mildly

  Maureen Hilyard:I did hear the screeching before it all cut out

  Terri Agnew:We will reconnect AC link in a moment

  Terri Agnew:AC line has been reconnected

  Alan Greenberg:The ghouls are still there

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:yep, unfortunately

  Gisella Gruber-White:@ ALL those ONLY on the AC, we will dial-out to you

  Julie Hammer:I'll Dial in and talk then

  Heidi Ullrich:Maureen, are you back?

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:what happened to the adobe?

  Gisella Gruber-White:Adobe Audio is coming back again

  Gisella Gruber-White:APOLOGIES for this inconvenience - this is a first on AC!

  Gisella Gruber-White:Gremlins ...

  Gisella Gruber-White:We are dialling the AC again

  Terri Agnew:AC has been reconnectd

  Julie Hammer:I am now on the line

  Maureen Hilyard:Hi I can hear adobe now.. but nothing on the phone which is my normal connection. Can someone ring me again?

  Terri Agnew:Will do Maureen

  Maureen Hilyard:Sounds reasonable to me, Julie

  Heidi Ullrich:The AI has been revised: At-Large staff to follow up with ICANN Security Staff on the possibility of preparing a Beginner's Guide on the Domain Name Security.

  Ariel Liang:This is the Public Comment that we are talking about: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/b0keBg

  Ariel Liang:Enhancing ICANN Accountability

  Heidi Ullrich:I believe it was discussed on Monday at: Hot Topic 2 - ICANN Accountability and Globalization (16:25-16:45) (Moderator: Olivier Crépin-Leblond)

  Holly Raiche:Also action item on Holly to suggest to Julie SSAC publications that would be useful for end users

  Holly Raiche:Ariel - woudl you scroll down on the screen to show where we are up to in the meeting

  Heidi Ullrich:Second to last AI :)

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:One AI missing - to incorporate the text from Thomas Lowenhaupt submission in TG5 re: end user organisations involvement in "city" TLD applications in a wiki page for new gTLD recommendations for 2nd round

  Ariel Liang:@Holly - Terri and Kathy are managing the screen and it seems the page is in the right position now

  Evan Leibovitch:This is much more confused than need be

  Evan Leibovitch:There are two questions

  Heidi Ullrich:@Dev, in which meeting was this AI set?

  Evan Leibovitch:"now that the GAC is considering a liaision with the GNSO, should the ALAC discuss this with that GAC?"

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:On the Thursday session

  Heidi Ullrich:Wrap up?

  Evan Leibovitch:2: "In case this happens, how would we proceed to advance this and choose someone?

  Evan Leibovitch:2: "In case this happens, how would we proceed to advance this and choose someone?"

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:yes, in the review of the AIs, it was cited then

  Alan Greenberg:@Evan presumably how we fill other Liaison roles. call for volunteers along with private discussions.

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:better wording of the AI :  to incorporate the text from Thomas Lowenhaupt submission in TG5 re: end user organisations involvement in "city" TLD applications on a wiki page for At-Large recommendations for the 2nd round for new gTLDs

  Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, Dev. Ariel has confirmed she is using the revised AI

  Evan Leibovitch:Heck, I'm the ALAC/NCSG liaison and *I* wasn't aware this was going on.... so it's being done in stealth at best.

  Evan Leibovitch:(or I was out of the loop.... whatever :-P )

  Terri Agnew:Apologies, we are looking into message

  Maureen Hilyard:Oops.. I've been disconnected cos I didn't do something...

  Terri Agnew:We are dialing back out to you Maureen  and Tijani

  Terri Agnew:Apologies, announcement was due to a technical fault

  Terri Agnew:Tijanni and Maureen are back on audio

  Heidi Ullrich:WG portal: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99704599/At-Large+Working+Groups

  Evan Leibovitch:There is very little sync between the ATLAS thematic groups and existing WGs

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:we are going to fold the TGs into WGs

  Evan Leibovitch:+1

  Maureen Hilyard:Nothing more from me.. great discussion

  Evan Leibovitch:Regulatory or FC already have most of the people who would be interested

  Holly Raiche:Maybe have a specific task within the Regulatory WG?

  Evan Leibovitch:works for me

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Just a thought : I think the At-Large Ad-hoc WG on IANA Functions Stewardship needs to be given more focus as it would be the WG for At-large to join if they are interested in these issues

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:a call for members has been sent out

  Maureen Hilyard:@Dev but theoretically we are supposed to be part of both WGs right? however, as an ICANN WG perhaps it has been covered by a lot of other groups - Evan just said something similar

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:agree with Evan re: FCWG

  Holly Raiche:Agree with Evan - I'll send the email from Rinalia that has all of the documents the Board is looking at - as a basis for the Wg reading!

  Maureen Hilyard:I too agree with Evan's summation

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:@maureen - I'm thinking if this diagram is shared with all of At-large, it would look confusing to them

  Evan Leibovitch:No problem with what Tijani is asking for. FCWG isn't particularly tasked with other things that would be lower priority. ;-)

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TIoybiLttBkaGlsWL0rGGrJ5cYZKAbW7lh8cEOSEd8I/edit#gid=824207369

  Holly Raiche:The TG 4 membership could be tasked to join!

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:Heidi, sorry I didn't hear you

  Maureen Hilyard:@Dev I agree.. especially when some sections don't exist yet

  Heidi Ullrich:@Tijani, we could hear your side-conversation. I believe you've been muted.

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:yes, sorry for that

  Heidi Ullrich:no worries!

  Maureen Hilyard:Sorry everyone. I have to leave now for the day job :( (10.12am)

  Holly Raiche:Bye Maureen

  Terri Agnew:goodbye Maureen

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:take care Maureen

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks Maureen

  Holly Raiche:My suggestion for a task is to provide input into the ICANN Accountability WG

  Evan Leibovitch:Now Alan, don't be too pedantic. "fold in " is a matter fo covenience for this coversation

  Holly Raiche:What Alan is suggesting is what I assumed would happen - send an invite with the relevant description of the purpose of the group

  Heidi Ullrich:@Olivier, could we have an AI on this issue, please?

  Evan Leibovitch:I suggest sending a message to ALL ALSs .. not just the TG4 people ... to join FCWG if they have an interest on the accountability issue.

  Holly Raiche:@Evan - agree.  My suggestion was to include them - amongst others

  Ariel Liang:Policy Development page: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/BQAeBg

  Ariel Liang:Satish's Statement: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/V0seBg

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:;-)

  Holly Raiche:I think he is saying that the statement has already gone through ALAC processes.  For the future - it will be the basis for the work of the new WG

  Holly Raiche:And sorry folks but I have to leave

  Heidi Ullrich:Bye Holly!

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Bye Holly - have a good day!

  Evan Leibovitch:Bye Holly!

  Heidi Ullrich:Hi All, I'm stepping away to heat my lunch. Ariel will be leading this item from staff.

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/alacpolicydev/pages/102648647/At-Large+Introduction+of+Two-Character+Domain+Names+in+the+New+gTLD+Namespace+Workspace

  Evan Leibovitch:I agree with Alan. Let's create a statement based on Dev's reading of the issue, and accept (and maybe expect!) that we will get some "no" votes.

  Evan Leibovitch:The consensus method might suggest a single-purpose phone call for the purpose of debating this and possibly extracting a more full consensus.

  Evan Leibovitch:WE HAVE A PRECEDENT TO THIS.

  Alan Greenberg:OH! Yelling!

  Alan Greenberg:Is this an issue that warrants that much work?

  Evan Leibovitch:Just that I'm frustrated that we sound like we've never had an issue with disagreement before.

  Alan Greenberg:No, we have had such issues. But it takes a lot of work to address.

  Evan Leibovitch:"canada.com" is privately owned

  Evan Leibovitch:IIRC there was no request for permission

  Evan Leibovitch:France.com is a travel agency in Florida

  Evan Leibovitch:austria.com is a news site

  Evan Leibovitch:deutchland.com is held by a domain squatter

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:IMHO there is no logic to any of this

  Alan Greenberg:Question about Germany is a good one. GERMANT and DE are blocked and will remain so . Dev's ppoint, if followed would preserve the two letter code for a new country Kurdistan. But it would NOT block KURDISTAN until it becomes a country!

  Evan Leibovitch:registry.co.com does not have much to do with Colombia

  Heidi Ullrich:@Evan, Deutchland could be held likely with no problem, but Deutschland would be ;)

  Alan Greenberg:WE FORGOT TO DISUSSS AGENDA ITEM 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Report: Supporting the Domain Name Industry in Underserved Regions:   https://www.icann.org/public-comments/dns-underserved-2014-05-14-en

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Alan we'll get back to 4 in a moment.

  Heidi Ullrich:@Alan, that item was left open on purpose ;)!

  Heidi Ullrich:there is no item 4...

  Evan Leibovitch:Actually....   http://www.deutschland.com/ is ALSO held by a domain squatter!!!

  Heidi Ullrich:apologies...

  Alan Greenberg:@Olivier, please don't spend too much time on it!

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I'll try and go through Item 4 quickly. But please don't extrapolate too much on it

  Alan Greenberg:@Evan. No. There is no such prohibition on existing gTLDs

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Report: Supporting the Domain Name Industry in Underserved Regions:   https://www.icann.org/public-comments/dns-underserved-2014-05-14-en

  Terri Agnew:We will get announcement taken care of

  Ariel Liang:https://www.icann.org/public-comments/raa-data-retention-spec-2014-03-21-en

  Ariel Liang:https://www.icann.org/public-comments/dns-underserved-2014-05-14-en

  Terri Agnew:Tijanie, we will dial back out to you

  Ariel Liang:These are the two PCs fell through the cracks

  Terri Agnew:Apologies, announcement was due to a technical fault again

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:I'll also read this  Supporting the Domain Name Industry in Underserved Regions as this is important for the Caribbean

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:lol

  Terri Agnew:ATLAS II Declaration https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/1IXrBQ

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:I have to leave very soon

  Heidi Ullrich:The ATLAS II follow up the week of the 28th will be an ALAC call, correct?

  Terri Agnew:Tijani, thank you for letting us know

  Evan Leibovitch::-)

  Alan Greenberg:I will need to leave relatively soon

  Terri Agnew:Alan, thank you for alerting us

  Evan Leibovitch:I propose banning the ue of the term "return on investment" to describe volunteer activity.

  Terri Agnew:Board Candidate Evaluation Committee (BCEC) 2014 https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/Xwb8Bg

  Evan Leibovitch:Is there ANY OTHER volunteer group within ICANN that describes its work in this way?

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:we pay for you! :-)

  Evan Leibovitch:You couldn't afford me.

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:you're free :-)

  Terri Agnew:Board Member Selection Process Committee (BMSPC) 2014 https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/XQb8Bg

  Heidi Ullrich:ALAC Agenda of the 22nd  : https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99602118/ALAC+Monthly+Teleconference+-+2014.07.22

  Alan Greenberg:7 is last. Ther e is no 4 and we already did 8

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:there's 9 & 10 after

  Terri Agnew:We can hear you Tijani

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:I can hear both

  Heidi Ullrich:@Tijani, can you hear us?

  Heidi Ullrich:Please see the ALAC  agenda

  Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, All!

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:take care all!

  Ariel Liang:Thanks everyone! Bye bye