AC Chat: 2018-07-18 Consolidated Policy Working Group Call
- Yesim Saglam
- Aleksey Khapchenko
Ā Ā Yesim Nazlar: (7/18/2018 18:06) Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 18 July 2018 at 16:00 UTC.
Ā Ā Yesim Nazlar: (18:07) Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/7PLvBQ
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (18:47) hi all
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (18:47) yes
Ā Ā Yesim Nazlar: (18:48) Welcome Vanda!
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (18:48) thanks I am on listen on option
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (18:49) wit is early , just connected to not forget..
Ā Ā Alfredo Calderon: (18:54) Hello to all! Same as Vanda, just to not forget. Another meeting in 1 hour.
Ā Ā Yrjƶ LƤnsipuro: (18:55) Evin/Yesim, please enable the Adobe Connect audio!
Ā Ā Sebastien: (18:55) Hello can we have the use of the mic from Adobe room?
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (18:57) Hello all! IT has noted the AC Room has been having some audio issues.
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (18:57) Please let us know if you are having trouble hearing.
Ā Ā Sebastien: (18:58) Evin we want to be able to speak with ACR
Ā Ā Yrjƶ LƤnsipuro: (18:58) +1
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (18:59) @Sebastien noted
Ā Ā Yrjƶ LƤnsipuro: (18:59) Thank you Evin
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:00) Hello all, welcome
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (19:01) Olivier?
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:01) Good morning everyone
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:01) Hello Olivier!
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (19:02) Hello everyone!
Ā Ā Satish Babu: (19:02) Hi all
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:02) Hello!
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:03) Good to have you here :)
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:04) Happy birthday, @Tijani!
Ā Ā Yrjƶ LƤnsipuro: (19:04) Happy Birthday, Tijani!
Ā Ā Satish Babu: (19:04) Yes
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:05) Action Items: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/EfvvBQ
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:05) (From previous call)
Ā Ā Sebastien: (19:08) Not sure during nother summer weekly is not to much
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:08) happy birthday Tijani, lots of joy and successĀ Ā together with healthĀ Ā in your life!
Ā Ā Holly Raiche: (19:09) Could we have a time that isn't AWFUL for Australia
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (19:09) Happy to move to australia for the summer...
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:09) Its 6am for me and I can live with that but it would be 2am for Cheryl and Holly
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:09) At-Large website: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__atlarge.icann.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=ZpVaIPzSG-a4ICIWxa2XjV7x2M_GGLAzBftfP5QFSJw&s=w3H4YFA1O9CUmMfiG-Qv9GlKPIhPlBZM65s3yXFNfE4&e=
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:10) Policy Summary page on At-Large website: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__atlarge.icann.org_policy-2Dsummary&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=ZpVaIPzSG-a4ICIWxa2XjV7x2M_GGLAzBftfP5QFSJw&s=bXi3H5ds2iUNuRTh5bmYV5cE8OApgmxlpD-uMWoeqXA&e=
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:10) totally agree with Holly ... a better timeĀ Ā for each one each time is fair
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:10) Policy Developemnt wiki for At-Large: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/BQAeBg
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:10) How to best link the two
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:11) @Holly Sounds like a great development for locating appropriate material
Ā Ā Joel Thayer: (19:12) Did the sound go out? I can't hear anything on my end.
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:12) Alan has raised his hand
Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond: (19:12) sorry dropped
Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond: (19:12) I gave he floor to ALan
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:12) @Joel we will grant you microphone access
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:13) Thanks @Olivier
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:13) @Joel.. Holly was very quiet, but could just be heard by some
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:13) Policy Summary: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__atlarge.icann.org_policy-2Dsummary&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=ZpVaIPzSG-a4ICIWxa2XjV7x2M_GGLAzBftfP5QFSJw&s=bXi3H5ds2iUNuRTh5bmYV5cE8OApgmxlpD-uMWoeqXA&e= Policy wiki: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/BQAeBg
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (19:14) @Jonathan sounds good
Ā Ā Joel Thayer: (19:14) Thank you! It's back on.
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:15) @Holly.. I agree we have to make it easy for people to be able to comment or at least learn more about a particular policy topic
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (19:15) +1 Maureen & Holly
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:15) https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/BQAeBg
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (19:16) +1 Maureen & Holly, but how??
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:17) @Alberto.. i think that Alan is trying to explain the problem and what needs to be fixed
Ā Ā Sebastien: (19:17) Can this topic take care by Holly, Alan, OCL and Jonhatan and not to the whole group?
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (19:18) True - Reliance in mostly on the wiki
Ā Ā Sebastien: (19:18) We better use our time (as a whole group) on substance
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (19:18) @Maureen, just in case, I have a weapon available ...
Ā Ā Bastiaan Goslings: (19:18) @Seb: +1
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (19:18) The sound is so far
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (19:18) can bearly hear you
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:19) @Sebastian - the communication of policy is important to this group. At least lets get this discussion done now and then we can move on
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:19) @Alberto.. cant wait to hear about this secret weapon :)
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (19:19) is it helpful to do soething like this: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cpwg.wiki_policy&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=ZpVaIPzSG-a4ICIWxa2XjV7x2M_GGLAzBftfP5QFSJw&s=xcx-TP4Rq4E-9wjAPW4V7FC1QVfts2NKJrFoLakTSBE&e=
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:20) agree Holly
Ā Ā Yrjƶ LƤnsipuro: (19:20)Ā Ā We need a tool that everyone can use. The alternatie: a zillion of emails
Ā Ā Alfredo Calderon: (19:20) <Comment>Please, this is something that can be resolved offline <Comment>
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:20) it is relevant to make as clear as possible
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (19:20) I'm NO fan of email for discussions
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:20) @Jonathan Ditto
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (19:21) @ Jonathan, I do not either, it's better in the wiki, you can follow the thread of the discussion
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (19:22) I'll work on it with staff
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (19:22) There is another meeting butted against this one so we have a hard stop.
Ā Ā Holly Raiche: (19:22) @ Jonathan - great - and happy to help if needs be
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:23) @GregĀ Ā I like that idea.. keeping the threads togetherĀ Ā as we already do...
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (19:26) +1 Jonathan
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (19:27) Most people (but not all!) can access Google Docs.
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (19:27) google docs are great and provides more room for collaboration
Ā Ā Holly Raiche: (19:28) @ Hadia - agreed, but they are necessarily easy for everyone to use - some people have difficulty
Ā Ā Holly Raiche: (19:29) Also - maybe ask the tchnology team for advice on collaboration
Ā Ā Satish Babu: (19:29) Agree on a Policy Anchor/Policy Champion on a per-RALO basis for important projects...
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:29) +1 Satish
Ā Ā Holly Raiche: (19:30) One person from EACH RALO ?
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (19:30) + alan and satish
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (19:30) I suggest you get a list of At Large participants in Sub Pro, etc.
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:30) from our RAlO I am attending all and work on it and normally share with colleagues in LACRALO
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (19:31) Me too Vanda
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:31) @Jonathan I agree
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (19:31) If we do not have one person per RALO who is willing to take this on, then we cannot expect substantive involvement from each RALO.
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:32) yes Alberto in our RALo we are normally working in several policies and sharing our thoughts around
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (19:32) Perhaps if there is no one for a RALO, it is a message that this ralo does not want to have a coordinated involvement.
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (19:32) I think this is a good idea, speaking as a RALO participant (as an ALS representative).Ā Ā Filling that middle Olivier refers to is crucial.
Ā Ā Greg Shatan: (19:33) With apologies, I must be going.
Ā Ā Holly Raiche: (19:33) Sorry - I misunerstood - I agree - One person as liaison from each RALO - to manage policy input
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:33) Thanks for coming Greg
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (19:33) Thank you @Greg noted
Ā Ā Yesim Nazlar: (19:34) Thanks for joining Greg!
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:34) ALberto and I already do this inside lacralo as well other colleagues
Ā Ā Holly Raiche: (19:35) So have Jonathan, OCL and a rep from each RALO? as a management group?
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:36) Holly it is normal in our ralo
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:36) Alberto myself and for other groups other colleagues do the smae
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (19:36) Yes Vanda, butĀ Ā we have to change the communication strategy with the ALSs to improvetheĀ Ā participation.
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:37) alberto - we could haveĀ Ā Emeritus group trying to do this kind of task communicating with all
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (19:37) ok
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (19:38) ok
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:38) But at the same time the point is to involve as many people who are focusing on each policy issue as possible.. the more people we can involve from within each RALO is also an issue
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (19:39) True maureen
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (19:39) Agree completely
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:39) @Alan.. but that's because they don't understand what the policy is about...what it involves
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:39) it is true. ALAN, hard to convivnce people to comment
Ā Ā Satish Babu: (19:39) +1 Maureen...once we have a policy anchor, his/her immediate challenge would be to stimulate participation from individuals + ALS members...
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:40) even some responding directly to us ... but it is another job to add their comments to the wiki...
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:40) @Jonathan.. yes we want to get more information out there..
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:40) +1 Satish
Ā Ā Holly Raiche: (19:42) May I please have a dial out - I was cut off - tks
Ā Ā Yesim Nazlar: (19:42) @Holly: redialing you now
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (19:42) We have 18 minutes left.
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:43) outreach will satrt at top of the hour
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:44) Sounds good
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (19:45) holly i can bearly hear you
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (19:48) yes tijani
Ā Ā Yrjƶ LƤnsipuro: (19:50) Alan +1
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:50)Ā Ā almost the same persons are workingĀ Ā on policy, and mjority is trying to align with all groups
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (19:51) +1 alan
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (19:51) AGree completely. We're not disagreeing
Ā Ā Derek Smythe: (19:53) End user: Are victims of DNS abuse, areas where UDRPs do not apply. Third party rights.
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (19:54) MOST of the time
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (19:54) @Olivier - the principles suggested are great but perhaps a little bit of wordsmithing might be needed (by a small group) to ensure that everyone feels comfortable with what is there
Ā Ā Satish Babu: (19:55) Is "Type of Activity" too limited in scope? Would it be a "role" or "position" or "interest"?
Ā Ā Yrjƶ LƤnsipuro: (19:56) A suggestion for 6 b: At-Large seeks commen ground with other groups on isses where coordination/cooperation will further the interests of end users
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (19:58) Yrjo, interesting to have points of cooperation
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (19:58) Clearly we will not have time to talk about the EPDP which may be convened as soon as next week. How do we cover that?
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (19:58) exactly
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (19:58) a "hat" is a good analogy
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (19:59) Yes Tijani, but when the interests of registran end user differ from the vast majority conflict, we need to make a choice.
Ā Ā Alan Greenberg: (20:02) I agree Sebastien. Just because you happen to be making money, that does not mean your needs are not aligned with other end users.
Ā Ā Jonathan Zuck: (20:02) agree
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (20:02) outreach will startĀ Ā and we need to leave
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (20:02) +1 Sebastain
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (20:02) agree Sebastien
Ā Ā Vanda Scartezini: (20:03) thank to all will leave to join outreach group
Ā Ā Bastiaan Goslings: (20:03) thanks a lot
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (20:03) Thank you -
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (20:03) Thank you all! Looking forward to the next CPWG call.
Ā Ā Bastiaan Goslings: (20:03) ciao!
Ā Ā Godon Chillcott - Greater Toronto Area Linux Users Group: (20:04) Thanks, Jon and looking forward to the next draft.
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (20:04) thanks all
Ā Ā Alberto Soto: (20:04) Bye!! Thanks!!
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (20:04) it was quite an optimistic agenda
Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard: (20:04) GReat OLivier
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (20:04) yes olivier
Ā Ā Godon Chillcott - Greater Toronto Area Linux Users Group: (20:05) Thanks again and bye for now.
Ā Ā Hadia Elminiawi: (20:05) bye
Ā Ā Evin ErdoÄdu: (20:05) Thank you all for your participation!
Ā Ā Yesim Nazlar: (20:05) Thank you all!
Ā Ā Kaili Kan: (20:05) thanks!