Zoom chat: 2021-03-03 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

15:37:15 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 03 March 2021 at 13:00 UTC
15:37:40 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/rDHxBQ
15:46:34 From Jose R. Lebron - 6487 to Everyone : Hello, good morning
15:53:12 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Hello all, welcome! Welcome to our presenter Emily as well. :)
15:53:26 From Emily Barabas to Everyone : Thank you, Evin. Good to be here.
15:53:55 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone : hello everyone
15:58:53 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : hello everyone
16:01:30 From 6- CAPDA Michel TCHONANG LINZE CAPDA CMR to Everyone : Hi everyone
16:01:31 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Welcome, All.
16:02:51 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:05:29 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone : hi everyone! sorry to enter a bit late.
16:06:51 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN70 Mentor) to Everyone : Good morning, afternoon or evening to all ICANN70 Fellows and NextGen on the call.
16:06:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Lots on the Agenda today!
16:07:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Welcome @Emily
16:07:45 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN70 Mentor) to Everyone : Hello to all! / Saludos a todos!
16:12:24 From Eduardo Diaz to Everyone : It took almost two years to start this PDP - wow!
16:13:11 From Emily Barabas to Everyone : https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/final-issue-report-pdp-transfer-policy-review-12jan21-en.pdf
16:17:18 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : Apologies for arriving late (urgent gardening!)
16:17:25 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Wow. Too bad the whois records aren't accurate and complete...
16:20:23 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN70 Mentor) to Everyone : Wonder when would this PDP be completed! Will the replacement of the WHOIS be in place? Yes @Jonathan, more questions than answers come to mind!!!!
16:23:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : the 4 phases A through to D completed in the last review actually took different lengths of time and if memory serves some ran in parallel it is a commitment if considerable time however but managable
16:24:32 From Eduardo Diaz to Everyone : According to this the “real” work has not started yet. So between this and the work of the EPDP/GDPR it will become a chicken vs egg duel. Who comes first?
16:25:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : This is the Issue report phase @ED with the Charter still being finalised
16:25:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thx @ Emily
16:26:12 From Eduardo Diaz to Everyone : Interesting report by Emily. Thanks.
16:36:44 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : I see that the PDP will be using the new PDP 3.0 rules, which in my opinion are a sad phantom of the old PDP rules that made PDPs open to everyone.
16:36:53 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Transfer of .org TLD is not at all related to this PDP which is about transferring registrations.
16:37:49 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : The current transfer policy is at the 2nd level
16:39:03 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : The Board must approve new policies (that is in the ICANN Bylaws) but is not involved in carrying them out once approved.
16:43:42 From Emily Barabas to Everyone : I’m afraid I don’t have a slide on that available
16:44:58 From Justine Chew to Everyone : Alternates @CLO
16:45:57 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you Emily
16:46:00 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Thank you Emily
16:46:01 From Justine Chew to Everyone : Thanks @Emily
16:46:03 From Emily Barabas to Everyone : emily.barabas@icann.org
16:46:04 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : thank you Emily
16:46:08 From Satish Babu to Everyone : Thanks Emily!
16:46:13 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : thanks @Justine yes mental blank time after midnight @Justine
16:46:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thank you @Emily
16:46:24 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : See: Google Doc (comment-only): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FhuRPVDoe9-SMctb9PggBB49UNQWewoz0JI8kjLvgXc/edit?usp=sharing
16:47:22 From YIK CHAN CHIN to Everyone : thanks
16:48:35 From Justine Chew to Everyone : Insert comment
16:51:59 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone : no I am following the IGO with Yrjö and the discussion till now is more about legal perspectives related to IGO and UDRP and local jurisdictions
16:52:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thanks @Vanda
16:53:30 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : If you have difficulty reading the screen, open the PPT directly on: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/download/attachments/99692972/EPDP-2021-03-March.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1614776861758&api=v2
16:53:48 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Are these slides available in their original PPT format?
16:55:51 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : IMHO it feels like the process is a way to find any reason NOT to publish the data
16:56:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Seems wise if we always have both the PDF and the original PPT available on the Agenda/ file archives @JZ perhaps need to ensure that in the future...
17:01:56 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : i have to leave as i have another call
17:02:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Excellent observation @Hadia
17:02:18 From alberto soto to Everyone : And it does not violate the European directive
17:02:44 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : @Olivier true
17:04:38 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : Thanks @Alan - helpful response
17:08:15 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone : great point Lutz
17:08:26 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Thanks Lutz
17:12:22 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Are we skipping item 4 - ICANN 70 talking points?
17:12:43 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : We already went over it Alan, will circulate on the list and go into more detail next week.
17:12:54 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : See: Google Doc (comment-only): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FhuRPVDoe9-SMctb9PggBB49UNQWewoz0JI8kjLvgXc/edit?usp=sharing
17:12:55 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond to Everyone : We did Item 4 already @alan :-)
17:13:48 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : @Christopher, as you remember, at the beginning of WT 5, contracted parties wanted to roll back even 2012 AGB, and keeping it is a sort of defensive victory
17:15:48 From Marita Moll to Everyone : can we have a link to the advice google doc please
17:16:19 From Justine Chew to Everyone : @marita, the link is on the agenda wiki
17:16:34 From Marita Moll to Everyone : Okay -- thanks @Justine
17:16:48 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Read ICANN Vice President, IGO & Government Engagement, Elena Plexida’s follow up blog on European Union initiatives relevant to the Domain Name System (DNS) and DNS Service Providers >> https://go.icann.org/3kEr8n7
17:24:53 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : they DID say it was just an "example" but makes sense to call them out
17:30:05 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : It's "without undo delay" in geological terms...
17:31:06 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : It does
17:31:07 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone : "Running a recursive resolver" for OTHERs
17:31:25 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Concerning the proposed insistence on the data of the beneficiary Registrant it requires a balance. The beneficiary registrant chooses to use a Proxy service for some reason, in some cases valid and essential for the beneficiary registrant. There could be an alternate framework for proxy services - a) a way by which the proxy services are "accredited" or otherwise maintain their proxy infrastructure to certain stantands, b) a recognition that a proxy service is a privacy service and that it doesn't confirm to the principles of their service to disclose the beneficiary registant's data 3) the proxy service can maintain the privacy of their clients to a certain degree, but 4) be willing to disclose the details in extarordinary circumstances, the degrees of the circumstances might be prone to interpretation during definition of what is extraordinary
17:32:37 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : @Lutz, that is likely what they meant, but not what they said.
17:33:04 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : What if the Registry offers an ethical proxy service under such a framework?
17:33:48 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : i.e what if voluntary Registries offer such a service to expected standards of balance to their own Registrants
17:33:49 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : ?
17:36:32 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : "recursive resolvers with the exclusion of the individual end-user" should solve it.
17:37:22 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : ... end-user's personal resolver"
17:40:43 From Marita Moll to Everyone : It is a good idea to address the generalities where we can -- at this point. I think it was a genuine attempt to get us on board
17:40:58 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : The Registry / Registrar distinciton is not sufficient. There is an underlying assumption that a Registry is larger and a Registrar is relatively small; And it is assumed that all Registries operate their services inhouse, which is not the case.
17:41:20 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : and gTLD Registries are organized very differently from ccTLD registries
17:42:51 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : In some cases the data is not managed by the Registry, and the case of Registrars, the data may not always by handled by the Registrars, there could be external services involved, and in some expceptional scenarios, the Reseller could be more powerful than the Registrar, may be, just may be.
17:42:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thanks @Alan
17:43:01 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Thanks Alan
17:45:17 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : 17:00 UTC - next Wednesday
17:45:18 From alberto soto to Everyone : No problem
17:45:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Bye for now then
17:45:35 From alberto soto to Everyone : Thanks, bye bye!!
17:45:36 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Thanks all bye
17:45:36 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : thank you
17:45:37 From YIK CHAN CHIN to Everyone : thanks!
17:45:37 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Thank you Alan, Olivier and everyone.
17:45:45 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : ok
17:45:52 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : Thanks and bye to all
17:46:06 From Anne Marie Joly Bachollet to Everyone : bye