AC Chat 2017-01-24 Finance and Budget Subcommittee WG Teleconference
- Terri Agnew
- Aleksey Khapchenko
- Yesim Saglam
Yesim Nazlar:Welcome to the ALAC Subcommittee on Finance and Budget (FBSC) Call on Tuesday, 24 January 2017 at 15:00 UTC
Yesim Nazlar:Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/wkPvBQ
Ali AlMeshal:hello
Yesim Nazlar:welcome Ali!
Alberto Soto:Hello all, hola a todos!!
Sebastien:Lacralo is on the ES channel
judith hellerstein:He is talking about the members
judith hellerstein:Alberto is not a member but a participant
Sebastien:Afralo is in Nairobi?
Alan Greenberg:Tijani is in Nairobi.
Alberto Soto:yes
judith hellerstein:Great We now have lacralo
Harold Arcos:Hello everyone, apologies for late conection
Taryn Presley:Taryn Presley, ICANN Finance is in attendance.
Javier Rua-Jovet:Hi to all
Wale Bakare:Hi all
Yesim Nazlar:Humberto has joined us on ES
Andrei Kolesnikov:I'll run out of coverage shortly -
Andrei Kolesnikov:On the move..:
Robert Hoggarth:I am here Alan and I can hear you
Robert Hoggarth:( i may not be able to speak in about 30 minutes)
judith hellerstein:Great so now we are only missing afralo
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):De
Javier Rua-Jovet:I have no issue with delegation to alan and Staff
Andrei Kolesnikov:me too
Glenn McKnight:In NARALO we had all our proposals submitted to staff for feedback before the submission date
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Hello sorry for being late
Glenn McKnight:We are satisfied they they fly or not
Javier Rua-Jovet:Schedule and cancel if needed.
Alfredo Lopez:Estoy a favor de tener otra reunion
Glenn McKnight:I think we need to a fast first cut then a shorter list is created and if they should proceed with modifications
Maureen Hilyard:A small extension would be good if a proposal needs a bit more work before it goes forward
Alberto Soto:Another meeting,+1 Javier
Ali AlMeshal:I agree with an extension
Harold Arcos:Extension and another meeting +1
Humberto Carrasco:I agree extension + 1 other meeting
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:I agree also
Andrei Kolesnikov:#1 is ok
Ali AlMeshal:@Yesim , APRALO GA is listed under ALAC
Glenn McKnight:Number 1 is ok
Taryn Presley:Correction to "Action Items". The extension is to 10 Feb.
Glenn McKnight:Number 2 is good
Glenn McKnight:The impression from the surveys and comments from people they are pleased with the feature
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):some of us have no choice but to use the stream as AC still has unsupported content in some OS... so yes it's an important feature for use even if not bandwidth limited
Glenn McKnight:Its a tangible example of how ICANN is more inclusive
Heidi Ullrich:@Ali, Alan asked to move the APRALO GA to the ALAC as it is part of the multi-year budget for GA's and Summits submitted by the ALAC.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):seems fine to me Ali....
Ali AlMeshal:thanks Heidi
Glenn McKnight:#3 ALS discretionary funding for LOCAL activities
Glenn McKnight:A form has been created for requests.
Glenn McKnight:This is not CROPP
Glenn McKnight:Local events support ie. a few hundred dollars per event
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:This lack of clarity on the process was raised on the O&E call
Humberto Carrasco:Alberto is right
Glenn McKnight:this is why we have a form on the type of request. I assume the local organizers submit a detailed invoice supporting the costs ie. food etc at a specific outreach event
judith hellerstein:I agree with Glenn that is what i thought
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:One of the outcomes was to clarify the process by having an explaination put on the wiki and list the RALO requests made
Glenn McKnight:ie. Internet Day in Puetro Rico with the ISOC PR chapter or ISOC Quebec brown bag seminar series
Glenn McKnight:I think the staff is putting a llink on each of the RALO pages of this funding window
Glenn McKnight:Worth reading the NCUC results of their Outreach at the IGF https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ncuc.org_ncuc-2Dat-2Digf-2D2016-2Da-2Dmodel-2Dfor-2Dthe-2Dpower-2Dof-2Dcivil-2Dsociety_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=e4WkpQ6yokbA6QFbQTr9r4IH0y5sfp_gKWoaagyr7tQ&s=S-4nLEFBpP7qjF0HK7xNU4CBEMj_ycs8yd9KTci80uI&e=
Glenn McKnight:Despite our 23 participants at the IGF we were invisible at the event vs the NCUC efforts
Maureen Hilyard:The Outreach and Engagement team is tasked with an outreach role and input into every other event that ICANN runs. This application should get priority for support for outreach. Individual workshop applications focus more on their workshop session involvement BUT with support of this application as well
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:+1 Maureen
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:yes I agree with Judith we must have our own booth
Andrei Kolesnikov:concrete focused sessions at the local events, on ralo's ground is a way.
Heidi Ullrich:+1 Alan - we could have a larger area and ''divide i' through the use of pop up, etcs.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:The idea for 5 persons is for one from each region
Glenn McKnight:Booth is one one aspect of the proposal
Andrei Kolesnikov:among global industrial events: igf is the one. booth ok
Robert Hoggarth:IGF thoughts/proposals are another topic that should be considered for ALAC or RALO comments on the main budget. Excellent strategy suggested by Alan on the "multi-year" strategy
Glenn McKnight:no mic
judith hellerstein:I can speak if you want
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:not one ready
Maureen Hilyard:@Rob I think that because the proposal came from a working group itself and is based on the work it is tasked to do, it is one of the reasons why it should be given some priority. AP and AF could work in with this application although their purposes are a little different - so the differences need to be acknowledged somehow
Glenn McKnight:Look at the numerous ATLAS 2 recommendations. Tracking results is clear. Future Metrics of ALS's, and our MOU obligations for Policy comments.
judith hellerstein:@maureen I agree with you
Javier Rua-Jovet:gone
Javier Rua-Jovet:audio gone
Wale Bakare:Why not "Policy Evaluation and Review"?
judith hellerstein:Ariel says that there is no process for her to collect who makes comments
Ali AlMeshal:sorry will disconnect for a while
Maureen Hilyard:Javier are you on the phone bridge?
judith hellerstein:without her going to each comment and writing down the names
Javier Rua-Jovet:i'm back
judith hellerstein:Also they only go back 2 years
Javier Rua-Jovet:Im on Adobe Connect
Maureen Hilyard:@Olivier, we are always being asked for metrics.
Maureen Hilyard:+1 Heidi
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agree Heidi
judith hellerstein:Yes I like this idea. Could work
Javier Rua-Jovet:+1 Heidi!
Glenn McKnight:We have a clear need to provide to our Membership how we are fullfilling our obligations
Glenn McKnight:We are constantly being chastized that we are not doing enough policy, when asked what policies we have done we get no results
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:No happy that we are having to run around the block another time. Too many times around the block.
Maureen Hilyard:Support
judith hellerstein:yes but possibly the proposal can be rewritten to better explain what it wants to do
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agree ð Alan
Maureen Hilyard:+1 Alan. APRALO would appreciate ALAC support
Heidi Ullrich:@Alan, I can ask Xavier directly today.
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:yes
Javier Rua-Jovet:i heard a rooster!!
judith hellerstein:it is maureen's rooster
Maureen Hilyard:sorry.. yes hes awake
Javier Rua-Jovet:HA!
judith hellerstein:Why is this not a cropp program
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):peak bodies
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):AP*
judith hellerstein:it is a fine project but it is just a cropp project
Javier Rua-Jovet:@maureen, so you know in Puerto Rican Spanish, the cockadoodledoo onomatopeia is "Kikirikí !!!"
Maureen Hilyard:@Javier LOL but thank you
judith hellerstein:in hebrew itis coo-koo-rico
Heidi Ullrich:+1 Alan
Glenn McKnight:We are getting rid our chickens due to rats
Javier Rua-Jovet:Ha!
Glenn McKnight:Big ones
Maureen Hilyard:Yuk!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Why
judith hellerstein:I agree with that.
judith hellerstein:I think this is not the purpose of special budget
judith hellerstein:+1 dev. that is what I think
Maureen Hilyard:+1 Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):AGREE
judith hellerstein:That is a good idea. we need to formalize the gse process
Maureen Hilyard:@Alan we believe that it is important to highlight that what ICANN is involved in is being supported at regional level
Glenn McKnight:The need for clear rules and checklists for proposals before submission will reduce the number and more clear and direct proposals
judith hellerstein:Allan that was my question
Erich Schweighofer:Sorry I have to leave for another meeting.
Glenn McKnight:I think the chance of the GSE supporting proposals opens the door wide
Robert Hoggarth:Thanks very mich for allowing me to participate in this call. Have to jump off for another call. Will look forward to following up with Heidi so that I don't miss any proposals. As usual, a tremendous amnount of work, professional thought and commitments to crafting this year's proposals. Cheers!
Glenn McKnight:I think Judith questions the naming of this proposal
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye Rob
Glenn McKnight:it needs renaming
Javier Rua-Jovet:Agree. Makes no sense. An Indian School out of India???
Glenn McKnight:since its out of region
Glenn McKnight:in the AFRALO region
judith hellerstein:Yes Javier that was my question. does not seem right
Glenn McKnight:sorry APRALO
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):no it's AP
Glenn McKnight:yes typing error
judith hellerstein:Should not this be a cropp project
Heidi Ullrich:@Maureen, couldl this concept be in lncluded into the ICANN Academy?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:This also looks like a CROPP request
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):needs clean up
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it's not Outreach
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it is specially Capacity Building for Leadership
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Are there ICANN regional strategic plans for AP region ?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes
Maureen Hilyard:2
Maureen Hilyard:@Dev we are working on our strategic plan already
Glenn McKnight:Yes this one is aligned with the previous Oand E proposal
Glenn McKnight:ditto
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:@Maureen, then funding opportunities can be made more available from the strategic plans
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):add to coordinate with the other ones
judith hellerstein:People from euralo could use cropp to attend the igf
Glenn McKnight:how is this one different?
judith hellerstein:My question was what is the difference btwn this one and the one last year
Glenn McKnight:@judith i bet you
judith hellerstein:Also why cannot you use cropp for it
Ali AlMeshal:sorry I am back
judith hellerstein:welcome back, it seems you missed apralo discussions
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:+1 Olivier
Javier Rua-Jovet:Humberto Carrasco was on
Harold Arcos:Yes
Javier Rua-Jovet:Humberto seems to have left
Glenn McKnight:On the first NARALO proposal i will ask Ed and Javier to speak about the NA school of IG
Javier Rua-Jovet:Ok
Harold Arcos:Humberto is on
Javier Rua-Jovet:Ah yes, saw him now
Javier Rua-Jovet:Hola Humberto!
Humberto Carrasco:I am here,
Humberto Carrasco:Alberto proposed this program
Yesim Nazlar:Tijani Ben Jemaa has joined us on the AC - we're also dialing out to him now
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:This activity "Creatling leaders in LACRALO" seems to be able to be folded into the Capacity and O&E WGs
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):needs work
Glenn McKnight:I don't understand the proposal
judith hellerstein:@dev--Yes that is what i thought
Glenn McKnight:Problem capacity building doesn
Glenn McKnight:t work on leadership development or enhancement
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:CROPP could be used for attending the preparatory IGF
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes Heidi
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes Alan as I said needs work... but now there is time
Harold Arcos:Yes @Dev seems O&E proposal.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):ditto for this one
Glenn McKnight:rich
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Unforunately very unrealistic
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):very unrealistic expenses wise
Javier Rua-Jovet:Good. Take a 2nd look.
Glenn McKnight:Rule number one is that the RALO membership should be aware of the proposals
Glenn McKnight:We had a call to all the NARALO members who were submitting to have a purpose staff call to discuss the rules and their proposals
Glenn McKnight:It provided a level of critical feedback.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):hugely revised or withdraw
Glenn McKnight:All the proposals should have been submitted to staff in advance of the cut off date.
Javier Rua-Jovet:Yes, Glenn, due process has been good.
Glenn McKnight:Seems that we dont have consistency
Glenn McKnight:#1 ralo support #2 no Outreach and engagement
Glenn McKnight:A clear checklist should be on the proposals that the authors understand the critieria before submission
Humberto Carrasco:I will continue now, only by phone. I have to close my computer
judith hellerstein:NARALO leadership did not get a chance to review the proposals before they were submitted so could not have a chance to approve/reject them beofre this call
Javier Rua-Jovet:Ciao Humberto!
Heidi Ullrich:@Harold, each RALO has access to itheir own AC room.
judith hellerstein:Only Loris/eduardos proposals were reviewed before hand by the NARALO leadership. others were not
Humberto Carrasco:@Judith,. Niether LACRALO
Glenn McKnight:Judith we had a purpose call which all the submitters provided an abstract
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):that's clearer than in this existing proposal... needs to make objectives clear as to what is seeking support
Javier Rua-Jovet:Ok. Eduardo, ALfredo and I made sure to discuss our roposal as much as possible
judith hellerstein:yes you did and we thank you for this
judith hellerstein:as did loris
judith hellerstein:we have afralo as well
Yesim Nazlar:sorry, the internet is very slow here in the hotel
Glenn McKnight:Ed and Javier will comment
Glenn McKnight:no sound
Glenn McKnight:yes
Eduardo Diaz:mi audio is bad will conect again
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):indeed Alan treatment needs to be the same for these IGS'S
Eduardo Diaz:Hopefully I am back
Javier Rua-Jovet:ok can be clarified
Javier Rua-Jovet:Understood
Glenn McKnight:its in PR for economic reasons
Glenn McKnight:Naming convention as INSIG can change
Javier Rua-Jovet:Cool
Glenn McKnight:@Ed and Javier will you guys make the modifications
Glenn McKnight:1. naming convention 2 Number of students
Glenn McKnight:@Ed PIR are also potential sponsors
Javier Rua-Jovet:Yes well do what it takes ! I think its a good event.
Javier Rua-Jovet:Ok alan! will be cleaned up!
Glenn McKnight:Its an innovative way to communicate
Glenn McKnight:It should move to communicatios
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):fine by me but yes as ALAC
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Indeed, its a interesting idea - At-Large often faces similiar challenges
Maureen Hilyard:OK by me
Glenn McKnight:perhaps this and other innovative communications should be considered but not limited to this idea
Glenn McKnight:Memes, infographics etc
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):ahhh yes needs clean up to a
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):account for global nature. could be. ALAC
Glenn McKnight:It should be part of communication already
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:There are videos done by ICANN giving an overview of Adobe Connect
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:the TTF also has done a one pager about Adobe Connect
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yup
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):withdraw I suspect
Glenn McKnight:Yes agree
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):that makes sense A
Glenn McKnight:has some interesting ideas but I don't support it
judith hellerstein:I also do not support this
Glenn McKnight:i propose withdraw it
Glenn McKnight:Again this is another example of people not reading the rules of proposals
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:At some point we were told by the Speaker's Bureau that this was going to be extended to trusted community members. It appears that this project is also stalled somewhere.....
Maureen Hilyard:How did this get through without NARALO having seen it first?
Glenn McKnight:It didn't get submitted to us on the orientation call
judith hellerstein:easily because they did not tell us they were submitting it
Tijani BEN JEMAA:I don't have phone
Glenn McKnight:It came out of left tree
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:@maureen, similiar to the LACRALO ones - only Johnny's proposal was sent to the list
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:Perhaps re: Speakers Bureau we should ask what has happened to it..... I am curious as to why things appears to be undoing themselves
Glenn McKnight:I hope next year we have more notice and a clear proces to avoid this type of proposals
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Agree re: Speakers Bureau - this seems to have fallen by the wayside
Glenn McKnight:Obvious those who communicated well had better proposals
Tijani BEN JEMAA:The second is about African IGF
Glenn McKnight:I rather see fewer proposals for discussion
Maureen Hilyard:@Glenn and Dev APRALO applications were submitted to and by the Leadership team.. as I assumed was supposed to the the process.
Tijani BEN JEMAA:II agree to work with the others about IGF
Eduardo Diaz:The majority of all these request are IGF related
Tijani BEN JEMAA:I can't speak
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):a
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Maureen webs
Tijani BEN JEMAA:On the second, it's not outreach
Tijani BEN JEMAA:I's not outreach
judith hellerstein:It shuold be funded by GSE and not speical budget
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):GRRR. SHOULD read we also reviewed at our. RALO call
Javier Rua-Jovet:We will do our "cleaning up" quickly!
Glenn McKnight:@javier Ed is reworking your proposal please contact him
Alfredo Lopez:No entendi, hay plazo todavia para enviar propuestas ?
Glenn McKnight:@javier it has only one or two changes
judith hellerstein:The week of feb 6 is not very good. I would prefer the week beofre
Javier Rua-Jovet:yep Im doing the initial cleaning up and then Ed and Alfredo take a look
Glenn McKnight:bye all
Javier Rua-Jovet:Bye. Great call.
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, All!! Thank you to the inpretors!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Thanks all
Maureen Hilyard:Thanks for hanging in there to help us through this process. Bye all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):who needs sleep. NOT like I am driving a few hundred k later today
Kaili Kan:Thank you. Bye!
Harold Arcos:Thanks to interpreters
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:This sounds like a cat and mouse game, more than anything else....
Alberto Soto:thanks, bye!!!
Harold Arcos:Bye all
Ali AlMeshal:bye all
Alfredo Lopez:Gracias