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AC Chat 2017-01-24 Finance and Budget Subcommittee WG Teleconference

AC Chat 2017-01-24 Finance and Budget Subcommittee WG Teleconference

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Ā  Yesim Nazlar:Welcome to the ALAC Subcommittee on Finance and Budget (FBSC) Call on Tuesday, 24 January 2017 at 15:00 UTC

Ā Ā Yesim Nazlar:Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/wkPvBQ

Ā Ā Ali AlMeshal:hello

Ā Ā Yesim Nazlar:welcome Ali!

Ā Ā Alberto Soto:Hello all, hola a todos!!

Ā Ā Sebastien:Lacralo is on the ES channel

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:He is talking about the members

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:Alberto is not a member but a participant

Ā Ā Sebastien:Afralo is in Nairobi?

Ā Ā Alan Greenberg:Tijani is in Nairobi.

Ā Ā Alberto Soto:yes

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:Great We now have lacralo

Ā Ā Harold Arcos:Hello everyone, apologies for late conection

Ā Ā Taryn Presley:Taryn Presley, ICANN Finance is in attendance.

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Hi to all

Ā Ā Wale Bakare:Hi all

Ā Ā Yesim Nazlar:Humberto has joined us on ES

Ā Ā Andrei Kolesnikov:I'll run out of coverage shortly -

Ā Ā Andrei Kolesnikov:On the move..:

Ā Ā Robert Hoggarth:I am here Alan and I can hear you

Ā Ā Robert Hoggarth:( i may not be able to speak in about 30 minutes)

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:Great so now we are only missing afralo

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):De

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:I have no issue with delegation to alan and Staff

Ā Ā Andrei Kolesnikov:me too

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:In NARALO we had all ourĀ Ā proposalsĀ Ā submitted to staff for feedback before the submission date

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Hello sorry for being late

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:We are satisfied they they fly or not

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Schedule and cancel if needed.

Ā Ā Alfredo Lopez:Estoy a favor de tener otra reunion

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:I thinkĀ Ā we need to a fast first cut then a shorter list is created and if they should proceed with modifications

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:A small extension would be good if a proposal needs a bit more work before it goes forward

Ā Ā Alberto Soto:Another meeting,+1 Javier

Ā Ā Ali AlMeshal:I agree with an extension

Ā Ā Harold Arcos:Extension and another meeting +1

Ā Ā Humberto Carrasco:I agree extension + 1 other meeting

Ā Ā Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:I agree also

Ā Ā Andrei Kolesnikov:#1 is ok

Ā Ā Ali AlMeshal:@Yesim , APRALO GA is listed under ALAC

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Number 1 is ok

Ā Ā Taryn Presley:Correction to "Action Items". The extension is to 10 Feb.

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Number 2 is good

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:The impression from the surveys and comments from people they are pleased with the feature

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):some of us have no choice but to use the stream as ACĀ Ā still has unsupported content in some OS... so yes it's an important feature for use even if not bandwidth limited

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Its a tangible example ofĀ Ā how ICANN is more inclusive

Ā Ā Heidi Ullrich:@Ali, Alan asked to move the APRALO GA to the ALAC as it is part of the multi-year budget for GA's and Summits submitted by the ALAC.

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):seems fine to me Ali....

Ā Ā Ali AlMeshal:thanks Heidi

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:#3Ā Ā ALSĀ Ā discretionary funding forĀ Ā LOCALĀ Ā activities

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:A form has been created forĀ Ā requests.

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:ThisĀ Ā is not CROPP

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Local eventsĀ Ā support ie. a few hundred dollars per event

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:This lack of clarity on the process was raised on the O&E call

Ā Ā Humberto Carrasco:Alberto is right

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:this is why we have a form on the type of request. I assume the local organizers submit a detailed invoice supporting the costs ie. food etc at a specific outreach event

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:I agree with Glenn that is what i thought

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:One of the outcomes was to clarify the process by having an explaination put on the wiki and list the RALO requests made

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:ie.Ā Ā Internet Day in Puetro Rico with the ISOC PR chapter orĀ Ā ISOC QuebecĀ Ā brown bag seminar series

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:I think the staff is putting a llink on eachĀ Ā of the RALO pages of this funding window

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Worth reading the NCUCĀ Ā resultsĀ Ā of their Outreach at the IGFĀ Ā https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ncuc.org_ncuc-2Dat-2Digf-2D2016-2Da-2Dmodel-2Dfor-2Dthe-2Dpower-2Dof-2Dcivil-2Dsociety_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=e4WkpQ6yokbA6QFbQTr9r4IH0y5sfp_gKWoaagyr7tQ&s=S-4nLEFBpP7qjF0HK7xNU4CBEMj_ycs8yd9KTci80uI&e=

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Despite ourĀ Ā 23 participants at the IGFĀ Ā we were invisible at the event vs the NCUC efforts

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:The Outreach and Engagement team is tasked with an outreach role and input into every other event that ICANN runs. This application should get priority for support for outreach. Individual workshop applications focus more on their workshop session involvement BUT with support of this application as well

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:+1 Maureen

Ā Ā Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:yes I agree with Judith we must have our own booth

Ā Ā Andrei Kolesnikov:concrete focused sessions at the local events, on ralo's ground is a way.

Ā Ā Heidi Ullrich:+1 Alan - we could have a larger area and ''divide i' through the use of pop up, etcs.

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:The idea for 5 persons is for one from each region

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Booth is one one aspect of the proposal

Ā Ā Andrei Kolesnikov:among global industrial events: igf is the one. booth ok

Ā Ā Robert Hoggarth:IGF thoughts/proposals are another topic that should be considered for ALAC or RALO comments on the main budget.Ā Ā Excellent strategy suggested by Alan on the "multi-year" strategy

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:no mic

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:I can speak if you want

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:not one ready

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:@Rob I think that because the proposal came from a working group itself and is based on the work it is tasked to do, it is one of the reasons why it should be given some priority. AP and AF could work in with this application although their purposes are a little different - so the differences need to be acknowledged somehow

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Look at the numerousĀ Ā ATLAS 2 recommendations.Ā Ā Tracking results is clear.Ā Ā FutureĀ Ā Metrics ofĀ Ā ALS's,Ā Ā and ourĀ Ā MOU obligations for Policy comments.

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:@maureen I agree with you

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:gone

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:audio gone

Ā Ā Wale Bakare:Why not "Policy Evaluation and Review"?

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:Ariel says that there is no process for her to collect who makes comments

Ā Ā Ali AlMeshal:sorry will disconnect for a while

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:Javier are you on the phone bridge?

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:without her going to each comment and writing down the names

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:i'm back

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:Also they only go back 2 years

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Im on Adobe Connect

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:@Olivier, we are always being asked for metrics.

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:+1 Heidi

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agree Heidi

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:Yes I like this idea. Could work

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:+1 Heidi!

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:We have a clear need to provide to ourĀ Ā MembershipĀ Ā how we are fullfilling ourĀ Ā obligations

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:We are constantly being chastized that we are not doing enough policy,Ā Ā when asked what policies we have done we get no results

Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond:No happy that we are having to run around the block another time. Too many times around the block.

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:Support

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:yes but possibly the proposal can be rewritten to better explain what it wants to do

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agree Ć°ĀŸĀ‘ĀĀ Ā Alan

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:+1 Alan. APRALO would appreciate ALAC support

Ā Ā Heidi Ullrich:@Alan, I can ask Xavier directly today.

Ā Ā Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:yes

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:i heard a rooster!!

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:it is maureen's rooster

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:sorry.. yes hes awake

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:HA!

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:Why is this not a cropp program

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):peak bodies

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):AP*

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:it is a fine project but it is just a cropp project

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:@maureen, so you know in Puerto Rican Spanish, the cockadoodledoo onomatopeia is "KikirikĆ­ !!!"

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:@Javier LOL but thank you

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:in hebrew itis coo-koo-rico

Ā Ā Heidi Ullrich:+1 Alan

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:We are getting rid ourĀ Ā chickensĀ Ā due to ratsĀ Ā 

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Ha!

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Big ones

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:Yuk!

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Why

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:I agree with that.

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:I think this is not the purpose of special budget

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:+1 dev. that is what I think

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:+1 Alan

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):AGREE

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:That is a good idea. we need to formalize the gse process

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:@AlanĀ Ā we believe that it is important to highlight that what ICANN is involved in is being supported at regional level

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:The need for clear rules and checklists for proposalsĀ Ā before submission will reduce the number and more clear and direct proposals

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:Allan that was my question

Ā Ā Erich Schweighofer:Sorry I have to leave for another meeting.

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:I think the chance of the GSE supporting proposals opens the door wide

Ā Ā Robert Hoggarth:Thanks very mich for allowing me to participate in this call.Ā Ā Have to jump off for another call.Ā Ā Will look forward to following up with Heidi so that I don't miss any proposals.Ā Ā As usual, a tremendous amnount of work, professional thought and commitments to crafting this year's proposals.Ā Ā Cheers!

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:I thinkĀ Ā Judith questions the naming of this proposal

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye Rob

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:it needsĀ Ā renaming

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Agree.Ā Ā Makes no sense.Ā Ā An Indian School out of India???

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:since its out of region

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:in the AFRALO region

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:Yes Javier that was my question. does not seem right

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:sorryĀ Ā APRALO

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):no it's AP

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:yes typing error

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:Should not this be a cropp project

Ā Ā Heidi Ullrich:@Maureen, couldl this concept be in lncluded into the ICANN Academy?

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:This also looks like a CROPP request

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):needs clean up

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it's not Outreach

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it is specially Capacity Building for Leadership

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Are there ICANN regional strategic plans for AP region ?

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:2

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:@Dev we are working on our strategic plan already

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Yes this one is aligned with the previousĀ Ā Oand E proposal

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:ditto

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:@Maureen, then funding opportunities can be made more available from the strategic plans

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):add to coordinate with the other ones

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:People from euralo could use cropp to attend the igf

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:how is this one different?

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:My question was what is the difference btwn this one and the one last year

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:@judithĀ Ā i bet you

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:Also why cannot you use cropp for it

Ā Ā Ali AlMeshal:sorry I am back

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:welcome back, it seems you missed apralo discussions

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:+1 Olivier

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Humberto Carrasco was on

Ā Ā Harold Arcos:Yes

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Humberto seems to have left

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:On the firstĀ Ā NARALO proposal i will askĀ Ā Ed and Javier to speak about the NA school of IG

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Ok

Ā Ā Harold Arcos:Humberto is on

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Ah yes, saw him now

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Hola Humberto!

Ā Ā Humberto Carrasco:I am here,

Ā Ā Humberto Carrasco:Alberto proposed this program

Ā Ā Yesim Nazlar:Tijani Ben Jemaa has joined us on the AC - we're also dialing out to him now

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:This activity "Creatling leaders in LACRALO" seems to be able to be folded into the Capacity and O&E WGs

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):needs work

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:I don't understand the proposal

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:@dev--Yes that is what i thought

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Problem capacity building doesn

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:tĀ Ā work on leadership development or enhancement

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:CROPP could be used for attending the preparatory IGF

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes Heidi

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes Alan as I said needs work... but now there is time

Ā Ā Harold Arcos:Yes @Dev seems O&E proposal.

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):ditto for this one

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:rich

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Unforunately very unrealistic

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):very unrealistic expenses wise

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Good.Ā Ā Take a 2nd look.

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Rule number one is thatĀ Ā  theĀ Ā RALO membership should be aware of the proposals

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:We had a call to all the NARALO members who were submitting to have a purpose staff call to discuss the rules and their proposals

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:It provided a level of critical feedback.

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):hugely revised or withdraw

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:All the proposals should have been submitted to staff in advance of the cut offĀ Ā date.

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Yes, Glenn, due process has been good.

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Seems that we dont have consistency

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:#1 raloĀ Ā supportĀ Ā #2 no Outreach and engagement

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:A clear checklist should be on theĀ Ā proposalsĀ Ā that the authors understand the critieria before submission

Ā Ā Humberto Carrasco:I will continue now, only by phone. I have to close my computer

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:NARALO leadership did not get a chance to review the proposals before they were submitted so could not have a chance to approve/reject them beofre this call

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Ciao Humberto!

Ā Ā Heidi Ullrich:@Harold, each RALO has access to itheir own AC room.

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:Only Loris/eduardos proposals were reviewed before hand by the NARALO leadership.Ā Ā others were not

Ā Ā Humberto Carrasco:@Judith,. Niether LACRALO

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:JudithĀ Ā we had a purpose call which all the submitters provided an abstract

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):that's clearer than in this existing proposal...Ā Ā needs to make objectives clear as to what is seeking support

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Ok. Eduardo, ALfredo and I made sure to discuss our roposal as much as possible

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:yes you did and we thank you for this

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:as did loris

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:we have afralo as well

Ā Ā Yesim Nazlar:sorry, the internet is very slow here in the hotel

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Ed and Javier will comment

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:no sound

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:yes

Ā Ā Eduardo Diaz:mi audio is bad will conect again

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):indeed Alan treatment needs to be the same for these IGS'S

Ā Ā Eduardo Diaz:Hopefully I am back

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:ok can be clarified

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Understood

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:its in PRĀ Ā forĀ Ā economicĀ Ā reasons

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Naming convention asĀ Ā INSIGĀ Ā can change

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Cool

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:@Ed and Javier will you guysĀ Ā make the modifications

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:1. naming conventionĀ Ā 2Ā Ā Number of students

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:@EdĀ Ā PIR are also potential sponsors

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Yes well do what it takes ! I think its a good event.

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Ok alan!Ā Ā will be cleaned up!

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Its an innovative way to communicate

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:It should move to communicatios

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):fine by me but yes as ALAC

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Indeed, its a interesting idea - At-Large often faces similiar challenges

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:OK by me

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:perhapsĀ Ā this and otherĀ Ā innovative communicationsĀ Ā should be considered but not limited to this idea

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Memes, infographics etc

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):ahhh yes needs clean up to a

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):account for global nature.Ā Ā could be. ALAC

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:It should be part of communication already

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:There are videos done by ICANN giving an overview of Adobe Connect

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:the TTF also has done a one pager about Adobe Connect

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yup

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):withdraw I suspect

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Yes agree

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):that makes sense A

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:has some interesting ideas but I don't support it

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:I also do not support this

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:i propose withdraw it

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:Again this is another example of people not reading the rules of proposals

Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond:At some point we were told by the Speaker's Bureau that this was going to be extended to trusted community members. It appears that this project is also stalled somewhere.....

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:How did this get through without NARALO having seen it first?

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:ItĀ Ā didn't get submitted to us on theĀ Ā orientation call

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:easily because they did not tell us they were submitting it

Ā Ā Tijani BEN JEMAA:I don't have phone

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:It came out of left tree

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:@maureen, similiar to the LACRALO ones - only Johnny's proposal was sent to the list

Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond:Perhaps re: Speakers Bureau we should ask what has happened to it..... I am curious as to why things appears to be undoing themselves

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:I hope next year we have more notice and a clear proces to avoid this type of proposals

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Agree re: Speakers Bureau - this seems to have fallen by the wayside

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:ObviousĀ Ā those who communicated wellĀ Ā had better proposals

Ā Ā Tijani BEN JEMAA:The second is about African IGF

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:I rather see fewer proposals for discussion

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:@Glenn and Dev APRALO applications were submitted to and by the Leadership team.. as I assumed was supposed to the the process.

Ā Ā Tijani BEN JEMAA:II agree to work with the others about IGF

Ā Ā Eduardo Diaz:The majority of all these request are IGFĀ Ā related

Ā Ā Tijani BEN JEMAA:I can't speak

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):a

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Maureen webs

Ā Ā Tijani BEN JEMAA:On the second,Ā Ā it's not outreach

Ā Ā Tijani BEN JEMAA:I's not outreach

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:It shuold be funded by GSE and not speical budget

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):GRRR.Ā Ā SHOULD read we also reviewed at our. RALO call

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:We will do our "cleaning up" quickly!

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:@javierĀ Ā Ed is reworking yourĀ Ā proposal please contact him

Ā Ā Alfredo Lopez:No entendi, hay plazo todavia para enviar propuestas ?

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:@javier it has only one orĀ Ā two changes

Ā Ā judith hellerstein:The week of feb 6 is not very good.Ā Ā I would prefer the week beofre

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:yep Im doingĀ Ā the initial cleaning up and then Ed and Alfredo take a look

Ā Ā Glenn McKnight:bye all

Ā Ā Javier Rua-Jovet:Bye.Ā Ā Great call.

Ā Ā Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, All!! Thank you to the inpretors!

Ā Ā Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Thanks all

Ā Ā Maureen Hilyard:Thanks for hanging in there to help us through this process. Bye all

Ā Ā Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):who needs sleep. NOT like I am driving a few hundred k later today

Ā Ā Kaili Kan:Thank you.Ā Ā Bye!

Ā Ā Harold Arcos:Thanks to interpreters

Ā Ā Olivier MJ CrĆ©pin-Leblond:This sounds like a cat and mouse game, more than anything else....

Ā Ā Alberto Soto:thanks, bye!!!

Ā Ā Harold Arcos:Bye all

Ā Ā Ali AlMeshal:bye all

Ā Ā Alfredo Lopez:Gracias