AC Chat: 2017-03-28 ALAC Monthly Teleconference

 Gisella Gruber: (3/28/2017 21:01) Welcome to the ALAC Monthly Teleconference on Tuesday, 28 March 2017 at 21:00 UTC
  Gisella Gruber: (21:01) Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/bEfvBQ ]
  Javier Rúa-Jovet: (21:57) Hi to all.  
  Javier Rúa-Jovet: (21:58) sounds fine
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (21:59) Hello all
  Gisella Gruber: (22:00) Welcome to everyone!
  Maritza Aguero: (22:00) Hello to all!
  Javier Rúa-Jovet: (22:00) Get me some of those Megs Olivier!
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:00) wow indeed!
  Alberto Soto: (22:00) Hola a todos, hello everyone!
  Javier Rúa-Jovet: (22:01) Hola Beto!
  Silvia Vivanco: (22:01) Hello all
  Alberto Soto: (22:01) Hola!!
  Javier Rúa-Jovet: (22:01) Wait, who had the 50 Megs?
  Julie Hammer: (22:01) Hi Sorry a bit late...slow internet today!
  Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: (22:03) bonsoir à tous
  Heidi Ullrich: (22:03) Welcome All. I will be on AC/Audio for only 30 mins and then audio only for another 30 mins today. Apologies for any inconvenience
  Gisella Gruber: (22:04) Bonsoir Abdeldjalil
  Alberto Soto: (22:04) @isella, good French!
  Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: (22:05) bonsoir Gisella
  Barrack Otieno: (22:06) Bonsoir a tous
  Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: (22:07) bonsoir Barrack !
  Javier Rúa-Jovet: (22:07) sound choppy gisella
  judith hellerstein: (22:09) me too.  I will be on adobe for 40 minutes and then on voice for 20 minutes
  judith hellerstein: (22:10) I can be back on audio for the last 20 minutes if that is helpful
  Maureen Hilyard: (22:10) What does IRP stand for :)
  Heidi Ullrich: (22:11) @Maureen: Independent Review Panel ("IRP")
  Maureen Hilyard: (22:12) Thanks Heidi..
  Remmy Nweke [@ITRealms]: (22:13) Hi everyone
  Gisella Gruber: (22:13) Liz Orembo has joined the AC
  Liz Orembo: (22:15) Hello all!
  Alan Greenberg: (22:16) You can find the ICANN Bylaws at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_governance_bylaws-2Den&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=dPSlg6hng2zt8Z-TU6jrTvaqWKOQaYqsP8dEmOxNiu8&s=hing5MdF1inqnPFwfUYp_N6CuMCvsB16GuEIdW1DbMA&e=
  Holly Raiche: (22:20) What are the criteria for selecction of membership on the IRP
  Alan Greenberg: (22:20) Getting to that.
  Alan Greenberg: (22:21) Initial vetting will e done before it gets to us.
  Holly Raiche: (22:22) Will the Panel members be paid?
  Alan Greenberg: (22:23) You bet!
  Javier Rúa-Jovet: (22:24) ....and I suspect not unwellpaid...
  Holly Raiche: (22:25) Sounds like a haven for lawyers - (not a bad thing)
  Maureen Hilyard: (22:26) says the lawyer...
  Holly Raiche: (22:26) non-practicing.   but...
  Javier Rúa-Jovet: (22:26) Lawyers are awesome.  The best kind of people.
  Maureen Hilyard: (22:26) How many do you know?
  Holly Raiche: (22:26) @ Javier - how smart a comment!
  Maureen Hilyard: (22:27) LOL!
  Javier Rúa-Jovet: (22:27) Ha!!
  Gisella Gruber: (22:28) Louis Houle has joined the AC
  Alberto Soto: (22:28) I`m a  lawyer...
  Maureen Hilyard: (22:29) Apply, Alberto.. :)
  Louis Houle: (22:29) Bonjour
  Alan Greenberg: (22:29) Alberto, we will forgive you for that.   ;-)
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:30) thanks David
  Alberto Soto: (22:30) Alan, My thanks to all
  Gisella Gruber: (22:31) Leon has joined the audio bridge
  Leon Sanchez: (22:33) Hello everyone
  Leon Sanchez: (22:33) my apologies for the late arrival
  Holly Raiche: (22:33) Hi Leon
  Leon Sanchez: (22:34) Hi Holly! ;-)
  Maureen Hilyard: (22:35) The Late Lawyer Leon S :)
  Maureen Hilyard: (22:35) Late (in time) ;)
  Leon Sanchez: (22:36) LOL
  Leon Sanchez: (22:36) I hope it's just in time!
  Maureen Hilyard: (22:36) We've been having an interesting conversation about lawyers, Leon.
  Alberto Soto: (22:37) We are two Leon!
  Maureen Hilyard: (22:37) Thanks David
  Leon Sanchez: (22:37) Thanks David!
  Gisella Gruber: (22:37) At-Large Policy Advice Development Page:https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/BQAeBg
  Javier Rúa-Jovet: (22:40) @Alberto you are a lawyer and almost every other profession.  What have you NOT studied??
  Alberto Soto: (22:41) @Javier, Not so much
  Maureen Hilyard: (22:44) I'l put my hand up to look at the Use of Names of Countries and Territories as Top Level Domains
  Leon Sanchez: (22:44) I can work with you too on this Holly and Alan
  judith hellerstein: (22:44) have to leave the AC.  Will try to get back on audio in a few minutes for 10 more minutes and then try to logg back in at 6:40pm edt
  Holly Raiche: (22:44) Thanks folks - we now have a great team
  Javier Rúa-Jovet: (22:45) Volunteer v Voluntold
  Gisella Gruber: (22:45) @ Judith - thank you noted
  Maureen Hilyard: (22:45) @Olivier makes sense you are involved because of the work you have done already
  Javier Rúa-Jovet: (22:47) I have situation.  Must leave call. Apologies.
  Gisella Gruber: (22:47) @ Javier - noted thank you. Hope all is well
  Alberto Soto: (22:48) I can not volunteer until the second Internet provider connects to me. Practically I do not have internet. It would be next week. Although I'm not young
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (22:51) Good way to get the FBSC involved
  Holly Raiche: (22:52) I'd be happy to be involved in this as well
  Gisella Gruber: (22:58) ALS Application Tracking page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__atlarge.icann.org_als-2Dapplication-2Dtracking&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=dPSlg6hng2zt8Z-TU6jrTvaqWKOQaYqsP8dEmOxNiu8&s=iPqRQOp3pDI31CjZ7j2LXnEVMbB8swsS28M-anY9xG4&e=
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (23:00) Technology Taskforce : https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_atlarge_At-2DLarge-2BTechnology-2BTaskforce-2BMonthly-2BReports&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=dPSlg6hng2zt8Z-TU6jrTvaqWKOQaYqsP8dEmOxNiu8&s=C4dLQjkctxiDJwWS4r1wy3jniX_ccz2_voNxPWG_w3g&e=   ; Outreach and Engagement : https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99611295/ALAC+Subcommittee+on+Outreach+and+Engagement+Monthly+Reports
  Leon Sanchez: (23:05) I agree with what Alan posted to the list and I support moving forward as proposed by Alan
  Maureen Hilyard: (23:06) @Holly...Arrogance?
  Ariel Liang: (23:07) Just a quick follow-up on the previous topic about the GeoNames public comment (https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/_WMeBg ) - Wafa and Maureen will work together to draft a Statement
  Holly Raiche: (23:08) @ Maureen - yes, arrogance.  Alan asked if they would be willing to negotiate - and they in essence, said no
  Leon Sanchez: (23:08) To me the rationale is clear. We made a statement based on the information available at the moment. Relevant information has been brought to our attention and that new information considerably modifies the situation under which we drafted our statment, hence it is reasonable to change our views
  Louis Houle: (23:08) Must go. Bye for now.
  Holly Raiche: (23:08) Happy to discuss wording - but I strongly support the statement being made
  Maureen Hilyard: (23:09) @Holly.. even though they said that, they have in fact made major attempts to talk the whole issue out together
  Holly Raiche: (23:09) @ Maureen  -agree- they have since - I think they were a bit surprised that we felt strongly
  Alberto Soto: (23:09) No
  Wafa Dahmani: (23:10) me too
  Wafa Dahmani: (23:10) I abstain
  Alberto Soto: (23:11) Bastiann already said yes by mail
  Alberto Soto: (23:12) I confirm yes
  Alberto Soto: (23:12) exactly Alan
  Gisella Gruber: (23:12) Glenn McKnight has joined the AC room
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (23:12) Yes to time stamp!!!
  Glenn McKnight: (23:13) Some of the comments  are pretty  harsh
  Remmy Nweke [@ITRealms]: (23:13) @Cheryl +1
  Glenn McKnight: (23:14) @Maureen are you glad you didn't  say the blood sucking lawyers
  Maureen Hilyard: (23:14) Today was the cut off day for APRALO feedback
  Glenn McKnight: (23:14) Quote from the Jurassic Park movie...
  Leon Sanchez: (23:15) I love the quote from Bee movie
  Maureen Hilyard: (23:15) @Glenn... I wouldn't say that Glenn..
  Maureen Hilyard: (23:15) Thanks for everyone for their work on the Review.. ALAN especially
  Leon Sanchez: (23:15) I'll look for the quote and see if I can paste it
  Glenn McKnight: (23:15) Work work
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (23:15) brilliant work Team yes thanks
  Glenn McKnight: (23:15) sorry   great  work, Kudos to Maureen
  Leon Sanchez: (23:16) Here it is
  Leon Sanchez: (23:16) enjoy https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_4GaMo9vzz78&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=dPSlg6hng2zt8Z-TU6jrTvaqWKOQaYqsP8dEmOxNiu8&s=opoBEG8EXfJYhppj4CK7icZ9_po3BR6Ea6WgNqq6qjQ&e=
  Holly Raiche: (23:16) @Agree - once the ITEMS report is in, there will be PLENTY of meetings!
  Glenn McKnight: (23:16) Leon great clip
  Leon Sanchez: (23:17) Love it Glenn
  Barrack Otieno: (23:18) I have to leave as well, thank you all
  Ariel Liang: (23:20) The other comments submitted to the At-Large Review Draft Report public comment proceeding: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__forum.icann.org_lists_comments-2Datlarge-2Dreview-2Ddraft-2Dreport-2D01feb17_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=dPSlg6hng2zt8Z-TU6jrTvaqWKOQaYqsP8dEmOxNiu8&s=eYEH0mGTiB3msc-0XZ3o5jpcGXkUYsHQBvg1RgZAd6o&e=
  Gisella Gruber: (23:20) Thank you Barrack
  Holly Raiche: (23:23) Please - people have already voted!
  Leon Sanchez: (23:26) you mean the hands are old
  Gisella Gruber: (23:29) Andrei Kolesnikov has joined the AC room
  Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (23:29) you won't get a dead horse to run by flogging it
  Glenn McKnight: (23:29) Hi Andrei
  Glenn McKnight: (23:29) @olivier it provides  sadistic pleasure to the farmer
  Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (23:31) $96.1M's worth of flogging is a lot of sadistic pleasure
  Leon Sanchez: (23:31) I agree with Holly
  Leon Sanchez: (23:32) and I understand there's a diference but why should ICANN subsidize failed business? Registries made their bet. They lost. So sad
  Alan Greenberg: (23:32) Completely agree Leon.
  Leon Sanchez: (23:33) That's a good thing to do with those funds instead. Foster developing countries applications if there's a next round
  Holly Raiche: (23:33) Absolutely agree with Leon.  We do need to respond, but I'd support the necessary research that we have called for.
  Leon Sanchez: (23:33) +1 Holly
  Wafa Dahmani: (23:34) @Leon dont u think that ICANN should support the registries to make a sustainable business you know more they buy more incomes to ICANN
  Holly Raiche: (23:34) Agree with OCL - and maybe go back to SSAC and impact of new gTLDs - they have had things to say
  Wafa Dahmani: (23:34) @Leon sorry more they sell
  Leon Sanchez: (23:35) @Wafa yes to support them sell better. No to using money from a fund to cover their losses. ICANN didn't tell them to invest in any new gTLDs so it was their risk alone
  Leon Sanchez: (23:36) @Wafa imagine if every time a business failed we could go back to someone and say "give me money to cover my losses"
  Wafa Dahmani: (23:36) @ Leon right agree on that point
  Leon Sanchez: (23:36) there wouldn't be enough money to save all failed businesses ;-)
  Remmy Nweke [@ITRealms]: (23:36) @Leon that will be an interesting bail out
  Glenn McKnight: (23:37) @ Naralo  election timetables  has historically started Nominations  in April
  Wafa Dahmani: (23:37) @Leon totally agree
  Wafa Dahmani: (23:37) :)
  Remmy Nweke [@ITRealms]: (23:39) @chairman Alan: I hope all of the RALO selection have been programmed to end or conclude at a similar time
  Glenn McKnight: (23:39) Folks your pictures are availble to download,  over 2100 pictures with 1500 views
  Glenn McKnight: (23:40) Other Tourism and Blockchain pictures and videos  also available.  Oliver, Cheryl  the  Blockchain videos  are  here
  Glenn McKnight: (23:41) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_playlist-3Flist-3DPLHeYfhcpf4QREQt85PWUALXhHmNJDvPk9&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=dPSlg6hng2zt8Z-TU6jrTvaqWKOQaYqsP8dEmOxNiu8&s=rVNmJKvjc-2JdbZDTVTMz8sVShnHdgbY8Ar6T0GNDNA&e=
  Glenn McKnight: (23:41) PLaylist of the Blockchain videos
  Glenn McKnight: (23:42) For  NARALO GA  update
  Glenn McKnight: (23:42) Here is the links
  Glenn McKnight: (23:42) https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/NARALO/pages/110237743/NARALO+General+Assembly+2017
  Glenn McKnight: (23:43) Logistics, Agenda, Post Survey, etc
  Glenn McKnight: (23:43) The  NARALO GA corresponds with the  NA   RIR  at  ARIN 39
  Maureen Hilyard: (23:45) @Cheryl +1
  Ariel Liang: (23:45) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_post-2Dcopenhagen58-2Dpolicy-2Dreport-2D28mar17-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=dPSlg6hng2zt8Z-TU6jrTvaqWKOQaYqsP8dEmOxNiu8&s=HfTggJnWcSE7u68US_xUDpghYc9QFW4rTRof0Uk5WUo&e=
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (23:45) that's the type of reporting g I was referring to Ariel
  Ariel Liang: (23:46) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_presentations-2D2012-2D08-2D27-2Den&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=dPSlg6hng2zt8Z-TU6jrTvaqWKOQaYqsP8dEmOxNiu8&s=yfONVILEh3QBcrkHfaOl3rWzr2O7-AfB0PFbWz7vSCc&e=
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (23:47) Indeed re: lack of links in PDFs
  Maureen Hilyard: (23:48) re ICANN 58 - it would be good to have somewhere where all the decisions and action items from the meeting could be listed in one space as Cheryl mentioned
  Ariel Liang: (23:49) @Maureen: actually we do have those pages set up. For the action items: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/VEjvBQ
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (23:49) I note that the meeting reports by At-Large Community during ICANN meetings seem to have fallen by the wayside - it could have been a good resource for the post icann report
  Glenn McKnight: (23:50) Here is the two  policy webinar presentations  from early today as  ebooks
  Glenn McKnight: (23:50) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__fliphtml5.com_bookcase_quly&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=dPSlg6hng2zt8Z-TU6jrTvaqWKOQaYqsP8dEmOxNiu8&s=r5EBde-sAbicfyW43Z6tZRj4NwiQY2rtvuY-a_a4eTM&e=
  Ariel Liang: (23:50) This page is supposed to document the decisions made in ICANN58: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/W6zxBQ  
  Ariel Liang: (23:51) They are linked from the landing page on the wiki: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/7_7vBQ
  Alberto Soto: (23:51) + 1 with the time!!
  Gisella Gruber: (23:54) NARALO GA: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/LxiSBg
  Silvia Vivanco: (23:55) Thank you Glenn and Judith for your great work organizing the NARALO GA
  Gisella Gruber: (23:55) Capacity Building Webinars 2017: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/gPvvBQ
  Glenn McKnight: (23:56) Forgot to menition we  created a  NARALO booklet  profile of each of the attendees
  Maureen Hilyard: (23:56) @Ariel.. I am actually talking about a formal Chair Report with all these bitsy workspaces linked to ONE record that anyone from At-Large or other sections of ICANN can actually see what we are doing.. David's post meeting booklet is too simplistic. GAC's communique was 32 pages.. yet David's booklet reduces this to 1 page.. what does that truly tell people about what the GAC did.. and similarly for us. People have a poor perception about ALAC and we need to make things look better (about what we really do) not down to 2 pages!
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (23:57) I agree Maureen
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (23:58) The Meeting reports supposed to be filed by Community members at ICANN58 : https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_atlarge_At-2DLarge-2BICANN-2B58-2BMeeting-2BReports-2BWorkspace&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=dPSlg6hng2zt8Z-TU6jrTvaqWKOQaYqsP8dEmOxNiu8&s=IQz66tpAyaohCIBtrR49Z5tYtoktW2bbVOXM0pjdOUA&e=
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (23:59) @Maureen, wouldn't the summary post report with proper working links be sufficient ?
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (23:59) Also, perhaps this can be a O&E topic for discussion
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (23:59) :-)
  Ariel Liang: (3/29/2017 00:00) @Maureen - thanks for that the feedback. The post meeting report is supposed to provide a high level summary and it has a template requirement for 1-2 pages each SO/AC. The content is linked to resources for further reading. Policy group is in process re-evaluating the template and see what improves it needs to make. So we will make sure to deliver your comment/input to the group
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (00:01) thanks everyone... Bye Bye . .. Talk again soon..
  Maureen Hilyard: (00:01) I'd like to set something up similar to the Durban report in 2013.. which was an At-Large report
  Alberto Soto: (00:01) thanks, bye, bye!!!
  Gisella Gruber: (00:01) Thank you all! have a good morning, afternoon or evening
  Wafa Dahmani: (00:01) thank u all
  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (00:01) thanks everyone ; take care all
  Remmy Nweke [@ITRealms]: (00:01) Thanks and bye all
  Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: (00:01) bye
  Ariel Liang: (00:02) thanks all
  Harold Arcos 2: (00:02) Thanks to interpreters
  Harold Arcos 2: (00:02) bye all
  Maureen Hilyard: (00:02) By Gisella and team :)
  Maureen Hilyard: (00:02) Bye