ROP DMDT 16.08.2012 AC Chat

  Nathalie  Peregrine: Welcome to the Duties and Metrics Drafting Team on Thursday 16 August 2012 at 1800 UTC

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Draft Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/3_XuBQ

  Alan Greenberg:Nathalie, the document that should be up in the window is the one pointed to in the agenda.

  Alan Greenberg:Are there summary mintes from the last meeting.  Not posted on the agenda - no transcript either. https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99542234/ROP+Duties+and+Metrics+DT+Meeting+24.07.2012

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Hello Alan, thank you for this, I'll get the document posted now.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:No transcript received yet from previous meeting.

  Heidi Ullrich:Hi Alan, the chat for that meeting is available at: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99541982/ROP+DMDT+24.07.2012+AC+Chat+Transcript

  Alan Greenberg:yes. But weren't minutes taken during the call. That is what shows up in summary minutes I thought.

  Heidi Ullrich:I don't believe any notes were taken during this call. Apologies

  Heidi Ullrich:There were staff bandwidth issues.

  Yaovi Atohoun:Salut a tous

  Heidi Ullrich:Hi Yaovi.

  Heidi Ullrich:The two penholders, Alan and Eduardo, have been given hosting rights

  Rudi Vansnick:bonsoir Yaovi

  Heidi Ullrich:We will review, Alan.

  Yaovi Atohoun:Bonsoir Rudi

  Eduardo Diaz:I was

  Heidi Ullrich:It won't anymore!

  Heidi Ullrich:no

  Eduardo Diaz:no

  Rudi Vansnick:officers is the most common naming as far as i see in icann

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Dev Anand Teelucksingh haas joined the AC room

  Eduardo Diaz:CAn you give an example?

  Rudi Vansnick:ssac

  Yaovi Atohoun:I have a comment when we reache "Staff". (My hands may take time to come up on time)

  Heidi Ullrich:Hi All, the transcript from the 24 July DMDT call is being posted on the 24 July DMDT agenda page.

  Rudi Vansnick:if i'm not wrong the members in the SSAC are not called liaison

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:we have an SSAC liaison. She was appointed by the SSAC as a full member of the SSAC

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Darlene Thompson has joined the call

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:in the context of ICANN Liaisons are non voting delegates / members of something

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:GNSO WOrk Group liaisons are the exception as they can hold the power to vote in a poll or call for consensus

  Yaovi Atohoun:thank you

  Heidi Ullrich:Appreciated, Alan ;)

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:So Non-liasion appointees in a ICANN WG/body have the same priviledges as other members in that WG/body?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes as do ALAC liaisons to a WG... BUT there are mandated rolls and expections in association with such an apointmemt defined by WG external to ALAC definitions already

  Darlene Thompson:I think that's appropriate

  Eduardo Diaz:Does that include the Chair?

  Rudi Vansnick:we have only 5 officers so no reason to redefine

  Carlton Samuels:I will have to leave the Adigo audio bridge but will follow here.  Need to multitask; I have to sit in on a faculty meeting

  Heidi Ullrich:Yaovi dropped. Adigo is dialing him back.

  Rudi Vansnick:that are nomcom rules

  Carlton Samuels:Please let Adigo know I will deliberately drop off in 2 mins.

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Carlton, Adigo are informed

  Carlton Samuels:Thakns Nathalie. Much obliged

  Nathalie  Peregrine:My pleasure!

  Rudi Vansnick:do we have to realign our wording to the respective other constituencies (NomCom for instance) ?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:we need to avoid clashes where we are aware of them

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:the Rule re ALAC Chairs and NomCom service is unique to us

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:hand up

  Darlene Thompson:Rather than just saying SOI you should also include the wording COI

  Darlene Thompson:I like the way that the paragraph defines SOI, including conflicts of interest

  Rudi Vansnick:so far i have not seen for nomination and election in RALO's as a ALAC member the SOI requested

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:putting SoI and CoI in the same bundle Conflict being an Actual issue  the Statement being just a more general explanation terms comon use terms

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:for a job or indication that you want to be considered for a roll we should use Expression of Interest. EOI  as should ICANN

  Darlene Thompson:It can also be a pen holder

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes Darlene indeed

  Rudi Vansnick:i consider each alac member being a leader as they have been chosen to represent a RALO for instance

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:++++ to OCL on this point

  Darlene Thompson:++++ too for Olivier

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:heat hear tp Darlene

  Darlene Thompson:"Actively participate" won't work.  You will have people saying "Well, I showed up to EVERY meeting and commented."  How do you refute that?  We need to be more specific.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:exactlyDarlene this is where expectations need to be clear for all parties and for metrics

  Darlene Thompson:+++ CLO

  Eduardo Diaz:It will be in the transcript, eventually.

  Silvia Vivanco:I am taking the minutes

  Rudi Vansnick:is this call recorded ? i do not see the red bullet

  Darlene Thompson:Say it again and again to hammer it home

  Darlene Thompson:I have the red bullet

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@rudi: recorded on Adigo

  Rudi Vansnick:ok

  Darlene Thompson:I didn't get that.

  Darlene Thompson:I don't agree

  Rudi Vansnick:so we are now only talking about Leadership in WG not in other context ?

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Active Engagement?

  Rudi Vansnick:@Darlene : +1

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:active engagement?

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:and those people who are working very hard taking a leadership role in a WG are not even funded to go to ICANN meetings! So they work hard and can't even Chair their own WG meeting in person at an ICANN meeting.

  Rudi Vansnick:EXACTLY Olivier

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I think it is very unfair to those people who are not ALAC, to see people on the ALAC doing a little a possible while they really are the ones doing the hard work.

  Eduardo Diaz:@Olivier: +1

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Darlene +1

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:ALAC should never be "dead wood"

  Heidi Ullrich:the categories as set out in the ICANN Outreach Initiative are: observer, contributer, leader, ambassador

  Darlene Thompson:Its NOT "the leader"  It can be rapportear or pen holder

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:wow - I was dropped from the call

  Heidi Ullrich:See Outreach initative meeting: http://prague44.icann.org/node/31795

  Rudi Vansnick:thank you to Alan, very good work

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:listening via ADIGO. No need to call me back for this.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:heidi will those of us in the next planning meeting. just stay on this call / AC room? ..

  Nathalie  Peregrine:No Cheryl, an operator will dial out to you once this call closes

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:ok noted

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:thanks everybody

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh 2:Thanks everyone

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh 2:bye

  Rudi Vansnick:bye

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye all

  Heidi Ullrich:Cheryl: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/_a819976787/rop-wg/

  Heidi Ullrich:for the next call

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:links are not live in AC for Mobile apps

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:thanks for the link.