ROP DM DT Meeting 2012.09.20 AC Chat

Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Duties and Metrics Drafting Team call on Thursday 20 September 2012 at 2000 UTC

Nathalie Peregrine:Meeting page: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/uefuBQ

Matt Ashtiani:ICANN no. 36 | 25-30 October 2009 | Seoul

Eduardo Diaz:!Hola a todos! I am dialing the bridge in a moment...

Matt Ashtiani:¡Hola Eduardo! ¿Como esta?

Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Hello everyone!

Eduardo Diaz:@dev - Hoal

Eduardo Diaz: Imean Hola

Matt Ashtiani:The current document can be downloaded here - https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/download/attachments/99542969/PositionDescription-final-20091012.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1348120936968

Carlton Samuels:Hiya all. Can't speak because I'm in a meeting. Will follow online

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:hand up

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:hand up AGAIN

Holly Raiche:That makes sens to me - it would be very helpful to have all the rules in one place, so documents such as this are part a more general RoP

Eduardo Diaz:ok

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes. sure

Carlton Samuels:Refer the document always with the term 'as amended'.

Carlton Samuels:That way you always mean the very last one standing

Holly Raiche:Matt - would you put this in the Sandbox of DMDT so tht we can review it

Yaovi Atohoun 2:pk

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:oops dropped

Nathalie Peregrine:re dialling

Dev Anand Teelucksingh:have control

Eduardo Diaz:here: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99543739/At-Large+Rules+of+Procedure+Duties+and+Metrics+Drafting+Team+Sandbox#comment-36209697

Carlton Samuels:20th Sep more like it!

Heidi Ullrich:Hi All, I have to go onto another call.

Heidi Ullrich:I'll stay in the AC, though.

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/display/atlarge/New+SOIs

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:agree Tijani

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:there are also non ALAC members in Working Groups

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:they are At-Large members

Dev Anand Teelucksingh:hmm....should RALO leaders (chair, secretariat) have an SOI?

Carlton Samuels:Alan, can you say again what I did not vote for?

Carlton Samuels:Sends the message better if you say 'balls'!

Carlton Samuels::-)

Carlton Samuels:@CLO: She speaks for me here!

Carlton Samuels:+1

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:great

Holly Raiche:Carlton- it was whether a person who is appointed to serve the rest of a vancy creatd by a member retiring should serve only for the rest of that term or can be appointed for longer. What we voted for is that the person filling the ret of a term only is appointedforthe rest of THAT term

Carlton Samuels:OK. Thanks Holly. I agree

Carlton Samuels:Not to be there!

Carlton Samuels:That piece 'working to bridge tralalalala is not necessary!

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Dev: re: hmm....should RALO leaders (chair, secretariat) have an SOI? //// I do not know if this would be in the ALAC RoPs. I certainly hope that the RALOs will, and that the definition provided by Alan here would in fact include RALO leaders since they will be increasingly encouraged in taking part in WGs

Eduardo Diaz:Sorry but I got disconnected from the bridge

Eduardo Diaz:I am back

Carlton Samuels:Yes Holly! +1

Carlton Samuels:@Holly's suggestion: +1

Nathalie Peregrine:we're dialling him back

Tijani BEN JEMAA:dropped

Nathalie Peregrine:we're calling you again Tijani

Holly Raiche:Hi - what I often see is s/he

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:as they is the norm

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:in French & English, "they" is gender specific too

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Ils or Elles

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:sorry French, not English

Tijani BEN JEMAA:not yet

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:so "they" would solve the English version. Not in French

Nathalie Peregrine:@Tijani, it's ringing with no answer say Adigo

Tijani BEN JEMAA:no, it didn't here

Tijani BEN JEMAA:no, sorry

Nathalie Peregrine:Can we have an alternative numberN

Alan Greenberg:https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/download/attachments/99542969/PerfMgmt-22Oct09.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1348121235014

Nathalie Peregrine:Tijani is back

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:re: masculine/feminine, in French the norm is to use "He or She" ie. the full form, with "ou" in between. It does make documents longer

Carlton Samuels:I understand we need to keep the trains running on time. But I have never been a fan of "metrics" in this kind of work that says you showed up so many times, you voted so many times, there's a lad, take a pin.

Carlton Samuels:I don't how you measure input and effectiveness to the business we are commited with these kinds of numbers

Carlton Samuels:There you go, a metric for how much one thinks!!

Carlton Samuels:Good one Alan!

Carlton Samuels:@Alan: Well said!

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:hand up at the close of current list please

Carlton Samuels:This is my experience. I'm here because I want to engage and do something. Some people come and decide that this is not their cup o tea. They should have the good common sense to withdraw!

Carlton Samuels:I will not be interested in EVERY subject. Or, I do not believe my position is severally different from others who have declared. Under those circumstances I may remain silent!

Carlton Samuels:@Eduardo: In some instances the 'kick you out" could actually be because you're doing SOMETHING right!

Carlton Samuels:@OCL: The proper answer is 'revert to your rep and confront him/her"!

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I have Carlton. Like flogging a dead horse.

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Some leaders at the moment barely spend 1 hour a month on At-Large stuff. Maybe 2.

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:that is blatant disrespect for the position.

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I know the concern is that some people will shiver at having a few red marks by their name, but the metrics I, as a Chair, need, is that for those people that only have red by their name.

eduardo diaz:@Cheryl: Are we the only volunteers in ICANN?

Olivier Crepin-Leblond:they get (s)elected and then I don't hear of them. Ever.

Carlton Samuels:@Alan: We have a bigger problem. Because in my RALO there is a widely held position that the RALO is 'sovereign'!

Carlton Samuels:This is a matter that must be addressed explicitly somewhere!

eduardo diaz:@Carlton: Let's see who wins the LACRALO postion for the nomcom.

Carlton Samuels:@Eduardo: Um, I forgot about that.

Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Yes, perhaps the metric needs to be disclosed before ICANN meetings

Carlton Samuels:@Eduardo: The logical extension of that idea of 'sovreignty' is an expectation is that an 'advice' from LACRALO must be accepted without objection!

Carlton Samuels:Thank you all. Everyone looking at me as thye paass

Carlton Samuels::-)

Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye all