4 September 2012
- Berry Cobb
The next meeting of the Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part C PDP Working Group is scheduled for Tuesday 4 September at 14.00 UTC for 60 minutes.
007:00 PST, 10:00 EST, 11:00 Buenos Aires/Rio de Janeiro, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET, 17:00 Khartoum (EAT), 19:00 Karachi (PKT)
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The contents of the AC chat can be found at the bottom of this email.
Attendees:
James Bladel –RrSG co-chair
Michele Neylon – RrSG
Roy Dykes – RySG
Avri Doria – NCSG co-Chair
Angie Graves – CBUC
Kevin Erdman – IPC
Hago Dafalla – NCUC
Barbara Knight – RySG
Phil Corwin – CBUC
Mike O'Connor – ISPCP
Rob Golding – RrSG
Simonetta Batteiger – RrSG
Alain Berranger – NPOC
Volker Greimann- RrSG
Jonathan Tenenbaum - RrSG
ICANN Staff:
Marika Konings
Berry Cobb
Glen de Saint Géry
Apologies
Bob Mountain – RrSG
Chris Chaplow - CBUC
Paul Diaz – RrSg
Oliver Hope - RrSG– Operator called and no response
Proposed Agenda
- Agenda Review
- Roll Call / SOI
- Finalization of public comment review tool - COMPLETE
- Update on IRTP Process Diagram (Mikey) - Postponed to 11 September
- Start deliberations on open items identified (see http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpc/msg00343.html)
- Next steps / Confirm Next Meeting
For review
Adobe Chat Transcript:
Berry Cobb: IRTP Part C WG Meeting - 4 September 2012
Nathalie Peregrine: Rob Golding has joined the call
Simonetta Batteiger: I did not mean to say there is no use for them
Simonetta Batteiger: They're used in the dispute process, but if you read what their wording is, it does not at all apply when a registrant changes
Barbara Knight-RySG: I agree Simonetta but I think that we need to also take into consideration that the IRTP was not intended to govern a change of registrant.
Barbara Knight-RySG: Hence the FOA would not contemplate the change of registrant
Rob Golding (Othello): We already expire EPP/Auth codes, and I already mentioned that FOA's became pointless when registries went to EPP - it was replaced by the auth code
Simonetta Batteiger: @Rob: can you explain this again?
Simonetta Batteiger: @Michele: do you really "exchange" FOAs?
Simonetta Batteiger: I think you only use Auth Codes, right?
Nathalie Peregrine: Avri Doria has joined the call
avri: Apologies for being late - got delayed at a Drs appt.
Simonetta Batteiger: no, that's not what I'm saying...
Rob Golding (Othello): transfer-process: 1. unlock the domain, 2. get epp code, 3. submit details at new registrar, 4. registrar sents to registry (by EPP, which validates the EPP), 5. magic happens
Rob Golding (Othello): so in reality the FOA is the EPP key
Michele Neylon: gaining and losing registrars send notifications
Michele Neylon: notification => FOA
Rob Golding (Othello): never understood why *gaining* registrar sends emails to registrant, as registrant is the one "orderin"g teh transfer and providing the EPP code
Barbara Knight-RySG: Registries do not have any visability into the FOAs unless a dispute is raised.
Rob Golding (Othello): registries *trigger* the FOA's by telling the losing/gaining registrars about the transfer request
Simonetta Batteiger: Somebody said in Prague, that FOAs predate EPP codes, and have since in essence become obsolete...
Simonetta Batteiger: they used to be required to get a transfer done
Simonetta Batteiger: that's no longer true since the introduction of EPP codes
Simonetta Batteiger: but they're still in use due to them being required in IRTP
Bladel: And because legal=types don't trust EPP codes?
Simonetta Batteiger: significance is one thing - their actual use another...
Mikey O'Connor: and inclusion in policy
Simonetta Batteiger: I think making the language applicable to both use cases (registrar transfer only, and registrant transfer, too) would be what I would think should be done...
Rob Golding (Othello): yes, losing registrar FOA shoudl be kept
Simonetta Batteiger: FOA as notification tool that needs a confirmation step (at some point) is not a bad idea
Simonetta Batteiger: but that in essence makes the EPP code the transfer authorization password, while the FOA is more of a notification/confirmation step
Rob Golding (Othello): @mikey - No! Let's not mix change of regitsrant and change of registrar. Please.
Mikey O'Connor: the puzzler is identifying the registrant Rob.
Mikey O'Connor: it's relatively easy in thick WHOIS registries -- much harder in thin
Volker Greimann: try identifying the registrant when he has given you incorrect information ;-)
Rob Golding (Othello): Isn't that the job of the current registrar ? And my own opinion is that we shoudl all have thick-whois for all tlds
Simonetta Batteiger: @James: I liked your summary attempt - maybe we can type this up from the transcript?
Berry Cobb 2: I can take that action Simonetta
Barbara Knight-RySG: I agree with 30 days as well
Mikey O'Connor: 30 is fine here
Rob Golding (Othello): 30 days for gaining registrar
Michele Neylon: 30 works for me
Simonetta Batteiger: there was a comment against uneven times
Simonetta Batteiger: so I would not pick 45
Rob Golding (Othello): losing registrar FOA of 5 days (ISTR the registry auto-naks the transfer request or auto-acks it at 5 days anyway)
Volker Greimann: i like 60 since it lines up with the post-transfer transfer lock
Simonetta Batteiger: so 30 or 60 sounds like it will be better...
Rob Golding (Othello): i need to drop-off call for a few mins, will remain in chat
Mikey O'Connor: this is the problem in the thin registry only -- we don't know if the registrant has changed
Simonetta Batteiger: right, but then there is a requirement for a new FOA anyway
Simonetta Batteiger: and that could be "given" by the new registrant
Volker Greimann: why don't we Mikey? The whois is updated in case of a change of registrant...
Volker Greimann: thick registry or thin, the onöy difference is where the whois data is kept
Volker Greimann: only
Simonetta Batteiger: need to drop off soon...
Mikey O'Connor: this is also back to the "no reliable way to exchange registrant information" problem that the thick WHOIS drafting team will be wrestling with
Mikey O'Connor: my hand is up to plead with people to join the use-case call tomorrow
Simonetta Batteiger: what time?
Simonetta Batteiger: I'm really booked tomorrow...
Michele Neylon: Mikey - can you email us details?
Simonetta Batteiger: I have a conflict. :-(
Simonetta Batteiger: need to drop off now...
Rob Golding (Othello): @mikey - can you email me the use-case call details