4 March 2015
- Mary Wong
The next meeting of the new IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group is scheduled on Wednesday 04 March 2015 2014 at 17:00 UTC (09:00 PST, 12:00 EST, 17:00 London, 18:00 CET).
For other times: http://tinyurl.com/mqwq5qd
Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/crp/
Agenda:
- Roll call/updates to SOI
- Update on research on sovereign immunity (WG Chairs/staff)
- Discussion of differences between the UDRP and URS (All)
- Next steps/next meeting
Documents for Review:
Updated amended language for UDRP Para 4 & WIPO Overview 2.0.docx
MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-04mar15-en.mp3
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-igo-ingo-crp-access-04mar15-en.pdf
Attendees:
George Kirikos - Individual
Petter Rindforth – IPC
Phil Corwin – BC
Kristine Dorrain- Individual
Mason Cole – RySG
Val Sherman - IPC
Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP
Paul Tattersfiled – Individual
Jay Chapman – Individual
Jim Bikoff – IPC
Kathy Kleiman - NCUC
Mike Rodenbaugh - IPC
Apologies:
Imran Ahmed Shah – NCUC
Lori Schulman - NPOC
David Maher - RySG
ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Steve Chan
Berry Cobb
Terri Agnew
Adobe Connect chat transcript for Wednesday, 04 March 2015:
Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the 4th March 2015
George Kirikos:Hi everyone.
George Kirikos:Hey Jay & Val.
Jay Chapman:Hi George. Hello All.
Val S:Hi George!
George Kirikos:I'm playing with colours. :-)
George Kirikos:Hi Phil.
Philip Corwin:Hello all
Val S:Jim Bikoff and David Heasley will be joining us a little late
George Kirikos:I'm always reminded of the Truman Show quote.... Good morning, and in case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and good night!
Terri Agnew:Welcome Paul Tattersfiled
Kristine Dorrain-NAF:I can't hear anyone. Are we live?
George Kirikos:Yes, we are, Kristine.
Terri Agnew:Mike Rodenbaugh has joined audio
Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Ok, I'll start over. BRB
George Kirikos:You might try 1-866-692-5726 if you're having audio probs.
George Kirikos:(code = IGO)
Terri Agnew:@Krisitne, please let me k now if you would like a dial out on telephone
George Kirikos:She might be 'K'?
George Kirikos:Or, that might be Kathy.
Val S:Jim is now on the audio bridge
Terri Agnew:Kathy Kleiman has joined
K:Sorry All, it jumped in - this is Kathy (Kleiman)
Kathy Kleiman:@Mary, what is his name?
Terri Agnew:Kristine Dorrain has rejoined
George Kirikos:Certainly there's more than 1 person in the world qualified to opine on that legal concept.
Petter Rindforth:When can we have the report from the Expert?
Mary Wong:@Petter we hope to get his agreement to assist us within the next couple of days, and a report within the next week or two max.
Petter Rindforth:Perfect!
George Kirikos:Did ICANN legal get a chance to do a Westlaw search, or other search, for relevant legal precedents?
Kristine Dorrain-NAF:No one warned me about that, but sure. :)
Terri Agnew:Osvaldo Novoa has joined
Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I am late
Mary Wong:@George, we did some research on sovereign immunity generally, including the two Vienna Conventions (1969 and 1986) to better understand the nature, history and scope of the principle.;However, we haven't done specific research on IGO uses or waivers of that protection in any specifi c instance/
Kathy Kleiman:@George: what is the "express lane limit" you are referring to?
George Kirikos:"express lane"? Where did I mention that?
George Kirikos:Oh, maybe you mean the WORD limit?
George Kirikos:(length of responses?)
George Kirikos:It was in the "No express length limit", in this document (which wasn't actually correct).
George Kirikos:Bottom of page 3 of the document on screen.
Kathy Kleiman:Tx George!
George Kirikos:We can't scroll the document, it seems, but if I change the scale to 50%, and use the arrows, I can flip pages.
Philip Corwin:I can scroll
George Kirikos:Odd, for some reason I can't (maybe an Opera/Flash issue).
Paul Tattersfield:You should be able to save it George and use it in an external viewer
George Kirikos:Good artists copy, great artists steal? :-)
Terri Agnew:@George , adobe prefers Firefox browser. I wil email you a link to check to make sure you have updated plug in's
Paul Tattersfield:Kathy +1
George Kirikos:Thanks, Terri. It used to work, but I read the document this morning, in any event.
George Kirikos:Most new gTLD domains won't get any traffic, so there's nothing for the alleged cybersquatter to monetize.
George Kirikos:http://domains.adrforum.com/decision.aspx (change ruleset to "URS" to see past decisions).
George Kirikos:Only 255 cases at NAF.
George Kirikos:who.* is reserved, though, so one couldn't do a gripe site in any event. currently.
Mary Wong:Yes, it's reserved on an interim basis pending resolution of the different advice/recommendations from the GAC and GNSO on IGO acronym protections on a preventative basis (rather than curative, which is the province of this WG).
George Kirikos:Unlimited Appendices/Exhibits, to breach the word limits in a sneaky way. :-)
George Kirikos:(at least at WIPO)
Paul Tattersfield:In a 3 member panel is the selected panelist an advocate for the complainant or defendant?
Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Yes, but you risk angering your panelist if you do that.
Kristine Dorrain-NAF:No, no advocates.
Kathy Kleiman:Tx Kristine!
Paul Tattersfield:Thanks Kristine
George Kirikos:Some folks have filed multiple UDRPs for the same name, though.
George Kirikos:(after time has passed, citing 'new evidence', etc.)
Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Yes, but lots of those get denied under Res Judicata.
Kathy Kleiman:res judicata makes sense...
George Kirikos:255 cases on NAF's website.
George Kirikos:Scroll up for the link.
George Kirikos:Usually 4,000+ UDRPs/year (2K each for NAF/WIPO).
Kathy Kleiman:Very useful session - tx you!
Mary Wong:Yes, thank you Kristine and Jim!
Paul Tattersfield:Thank you Kristine very helpful today
Val S:Thanks Phil, Kristine, and all!
Petter Rindforth:Yes, we still wait for their real response
Mary Wong:The IPC and ISPCP responses are posted to the WG wiki.
Mary Wong:We'll follow up with the remaining SG/Cs and the GAC Secretariat.
Jay Chapman:Thanks, all! Good day
George Kirikos:Bye everyone. Have a nice day.
Paul Tattersfield:Thanks all, bye
Mary Wong:Thanks phil and everyone!