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11 September 2013 Meeting

11 September 2013 Meeting

Owned by Berry Cobb
Sept 11, 2013

When: Wednesday, 11 September 2013. 16:00 UTC / This is a 120 Minute Session.

Adobe Connect Link:  http://icann.adobeconnect.com/r1onj8cflqp/

http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-20130911-en.mp3

On page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#sep

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/

Attendees:
Griffin Barnett – IPC/IOC
Jim Bikoff – IPC/IOC
Elizabeth Finberg - RySG
Chuck Gomes – RySG
Alan Greenberg – ALAC
Ricardo Guilherme – RySG / UPU
Stephane Hankins – Red Cross Red Crescent
David Heasley – IPC/IOC
Judd Lauter – IOC/IOC
Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP
Sam Paltridge – OECD
Christopher Rassi – Red Cross Red Crescent
Thomas Rickert – NCA –Working group chair
Greg Shatan – IPC
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit - ISO
Joanne Teng - WIPO
Berly Lelievre Acosta - WIPO

Apology:
Guilaine Fournet - IEC
Mason Cole - RrSG

ICANN Staff:
Berry Cobb
Mary Wong
Julia Charvolen

Proposed Agenda – IGO-INGO WG Meeting – 11 September 2013 @ 16:00 UTC (120 Mi

1. Review Agenda & Changes to SOI’s
2. Status of Consensus Call
3. Review draft Final Report (recommendations, impact on incumbent gTLDs)
4. Review Work Plan
5. Confirm next meeting, 18 September 2013 @ 16:00 UTC

 

Adobe Chat Transcript 11 September 2013:

 Berry Cobb:Welcome to the 11 Sept 2013 IGO-INGO conference call.

  Osvaldo Novoa:Hello Berry, sorry I sent the document so late but the ISPCP conferencen ended just over an hour ago.

  Berry Cobb:@Osvaldo, thank you.  I will incorporate into the master responses document.

  Julia Charvolen:Sam Paltridge and Greg Shatan joined the call

  Julia Charvolen:Berly Lelievre-Acosta joined the meeting

  Berry Cobb:@Berly.  Thank you for pointing out my mistake in the draft final document.  

  Berly Acosta:No worries, Berry.

  Julia Charvolen:Christopher Rassi joined the call

  Julia Charvolen:Please mute your lines if you are not speaking

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I agree with Thomas' interpretation.

  Julia Charvolen:Alan Greenberg joined the call

  Alan Greenberg:On now.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):!

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):@

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):sorry, meant to type plus 1

  Julia Charvolen:Please mute your lines if you are not speaking

  Alan Greenberg:@Chuck +1

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Agree with Greg.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):We agree, which is why in our minority statement we empasized protections for all IOs, under one set of criteria.

  Chuck Gomes (Verisign):I don't think it is fair to characteristize all of the self-interested groups in our WG as only lobbying for their own interests.

  Judd Lauter:raising hand on behalf of Jim

  Greg Shatan:@Chuck: I didn't mean to say that (and I don't think that's what I said).  I am happy to note that many who participated did so in full, regardless of whether they showed up as an "interested party." -- both in our meetings and in the consensus call.  i would just hope that all those who participated would do so fully, right down to the consensus call.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Jim, ISO-IEC has also advocated for all international organizations, from the beginning.  And we explicitly included this in our minority statement.

  Chuck Gomes (Verisign):@ Greg - I didn't think you meant that Greg but wanted to clarify that some of the self-interested groups have been very constructive in ways beyond their interests.

  Greg Shatan:@Chuck -- agree 100%.

  Julia Charvolen:Please mute your mics

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Alan, that makes sense to me.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Is a divergence of view, opposition.  Or simply neither support or opposition.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):If that's that case, INGOs receive only 2 do not support.  So I don't really see this distinction.

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):point 4 is consensus

  Berly Acosta:Agree

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):as far as use of the TMCH is concerned, point 5 would at the very least be "divergence"

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I have to agree with Alan.  Is the criteria that more than 5 support is consensus or it is 1 or less do no support?

  Berly Acosta:There is no concensus on IGO point 5

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):once more: NO consensus on point 5

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):no, they did not

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):the GAC advice was clear about both names and acronyms

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):+1 Berly

  Chuck Gomes (Verisign):@ Berly - Thanks for clarification.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I'm not sure that the communique said that.

  Berry Cobb:Or more inline with the TMCH, Claims notification would have to be permanent.  However, there is no support for permament claims notice.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):i. The GAC is interested to work with the IGOs and the NGPC on a complementary cost-neutral mechanism that would:a. provide notification to an IGO if a potential registrant seeks to register a domain name matching the acronym of an IGO at the second level, giving the IGO a reasonable opportunity to express concerns, if any; andb. allow for an independent third party to review any such registration request, in the event of a disagreement between an IGO and potential registrant.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):It says reasonable opportunity to express concerns ... not to give consent.

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):Claudia, pls dont forget the preceding provision:

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):The GAC understands that the ICANN Board, further to its previous assurances, is prepared to fully implement GAC advice; an outstanding matter to be finalized is the practical and effective implementation of the permanent preventative protection of IGO acronyms at the second level.

  Berry Cobb:The latest Board resolution only is protection until the BA meeting.

  Berry Cobb:for IGOs.  Full name and acronym per the list provided by the GAC

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):exactly

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):+1 Berly

  Berly Acosta:RIcardo +1, the CAG Advice should be read in full

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Ricardo, thank you.  I agree that practical and effective is very important.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):And this should be understand in the light of existing rights.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):There 6 supports for number 4 under INGOs.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):So I agree, that looks like consensus.

  Berly Acosta:"preventative protection of IGO acronyms at the second level" is also important

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):what is the objective basis for giving registrars a "higher" weight?

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Greg, does it?

  Alan Greenberg:We need an auditable bread-crumb trail in the process of evaluating level of consensus.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I agree Alan.  That being said, we are really behind Thomas on the general.

  Alan Greenberg:No question, but our results are going to be examined in great detail, especially where we differ with either the interim Boarf position or that of the GAC.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):And INGOS are some 3,000 by some accounts.

  Alan Greenberg:It is DEFINITELY not the count of members!

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I have come around to agree with you on that point, Alan.

  Berry Cobb:I will remove them from the master copy.  Thank you Greg

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):We are certainly OK with that.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I strongly agree with Chuck!

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):Divergence means "no strong support for a particular provision", many differences of opinion

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):it is not MINORITY

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):we have YES, we have NOs, we have "divergence of views"

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):the multiplicity of views means "Divergence"

  Greg Shatan:Can't count IPC as support or opposition.

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):I know that, Thomas

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Thank you for clarifying that Greg,  divergence means neither support nor opposition.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Here the majority is opposition.

  Berly Acosta:Ricardo +1

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I support considering this a minority view.  Only IGO and PI support

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):Thomas, can I talk again?

  Greg Shatan:This type of "divergence" looks like Minority View to me, with apologies to those who wish it were otherwise....

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I strongly agree with Greg.

  Alan Greenberg:Minority View - refers to a proposal where a small number of people support the recommendation. This can happen in response to a Consensus, Strong support but significant opposition, and No Consensus; or, it can happen in cases where there is neither support nor opposition to a suggestion made by a small number of individuals.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):But here is this a number of oppposing.  A majority.

  Berly Acosta:Agree with that sttement, Thomas

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Put another way, if the recommendation was NOT to block acronyms, we would have consensus.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):agree with Greg!!

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Yes, Alan.

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):exactly

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):formatting problem

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Alan!

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):We need to make it clear that only a minority suport blocking acronyms, then.

  Greg Shatan:I'm not suggesting that "minority views" should not be expressed, only that we can't adopt it a s a "level of support" by the group as a whole.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I strongly agree with you Greg.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Or we need to reword this recommendations to state that acronyms should not be blocked.  And only a minority disagrees.

  Greg Shatan:SSbSO = "most of the group supports"

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):Dear All, I have to leave now - tks for your contributions and great talking to you again. IGOs may have additional comments ato convey by email s previously discussed.

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):"to convey by email as"

  Ricardo Guilherme (UPU):bye all

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Yes, thank you so much Thomas!

  Alan Greenberg:I have an ATRT meeting next week and so will not be attending this WG, but I will try to get something in ahead of time.

  Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Thank you so much Berry.

  Alan Greenberg:I think that one meeting to review public comments and amend report is dreaming in technicolor.

  Chuck Gomes (Verisign):Thanks Thomas, Berry & all