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29 May 2013 Meeting

29 May 2013 Meeting

Owned by Berry Cobb
May 30, 2013

When: Wednesday, 29 May 2013. 16:00 UTC / This is a 120 Minute Session.

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http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-20130529-en.mp3

On page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#may

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/

Attendees:
Jim Bikoff – IPC/IOC
Chuck Gomes – RySG
Alan Greenberg – ALAC
Catherine Gribbin – Red Cross
Stephane Hankins – NCSG
David Heasley – IOC
Debra Hughes – Red Cross
Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC
Judd Lauter – IOC
Christopher Rassi - Red Cross
Mike Rodenbaugh - CBUC
Greg Shatan – IPC
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit – ISO
David Roache-Turner - WIPO
Mason Cole - GNSO Council vice chair – RrSG
Apologies:
Mary Wong - NCUC
Thomas Rickert – NCA –Working group chair
Wolfgang Kleinwächter – NCSG
Avri Doria – NCSG
David Maher – RySG
Elizabeth Finberg - RySG

ICANN Staff:
Berry Cobb
Brian Peck
Marika Konings
Julia Charvolen

Proposed Agenda – IGO-INGO WG Meeting – 29 May 2013 @ 16:00 UTC (120 Min):

1. Roll Call / SOI Update
2. Review Initial Report
3. Discussion of Next Steps
4. Confirm next meeting (5 June 2013 @ 16:00 (120 MIN))


Action Items
1. None

Berry Cobb:Welcome to the 29 May 2013 IGO-INGO WG meeting.
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I can
Julia Charvolen:Good!
Berry Cobb:FYI, Thomas will not be able to join us for the call today. If someone is willing to step in as Chair, it would be much appreciated. Else, Brian can lead the WG review of the report for today.
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I would support Brian's acting as such.
Alan Greenberg:Probably best for Brian to do it. Presuming we get a few more people on the call.
Alan Greenberg:Unless someone else wants to take off their advocate hat...
Mason Cole:the operator is telling me there's no conference with PDP for the passcode
Mason Cole:oh now he found it
Alan Greenberg:Mason, it is all a plot to keep you off of the call.
Greg Shatan:On hold at the Conference Calling Centre
Berry Cobb:FYI #2, I was not able to incorporate David's & Masons comments into this version of the Draft Initial Report. I will do so after this session.
Mason Cole:Alan, no doubt.
Mason Cole:No worries, Berry. My fault for being tardy.
Judd Lauter (IOC):David Heasley is on the call as well
Julia Charvolen:Thank you noted!
Alan Greenberg:Staff, please do NOT grant speakers rights to those with a hand up. It removes the speaking queue order!
Julia Charvolen:David Roache Turner joined the meeting
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I agree with that point Alan.
Berry Cobb:The red-highlighted changes are from CMT.
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Good!
Berry Cobb:This list came from our 1st spreadsheet when we divided by sub-team. I will supply defintions for the two identified by Alan.
Kiran Malancharuvil:It's gorgeous
Kiran Malancharuvil:well spotted Alan
Greg Shatan:Council Council Counsel Council Concil
Mike Rodenbaugh:ok i think i fixed my audio...
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):There is no consensus for full name consensus. At least from the comment received so far.
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):full name protection
Kiran Malancharuvil:I agree with Mike that it needs to be parsed out.
Kiran Malancharuvil:I have the same recollection as Mike actually.
Kiran Malancharuvil:I think every option needs to be on the table, including protection of full names and not, protecitn of acronyms and not
Berry Cobb:The Matrix is only WG deliberations and none of that matrix is reflected in this report. Only the options.
Kiran Malancharuvil:so lets put all the options in and move on
Berry Cobb:Without any consensus.
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I agree that options should be provided. Agree with the introduction, Alan.
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):And with Kiran's last comment.
Berry Cobb:Noted and we will make the change in the rev.
Berry Cobb:next rev
Mike Rodenbaugh:thanks B
Mike Rodenbaugh:so there seems to be nobody stating (anymore) that there should be protection for acronyms at top level...
Mike Rodenbaugh:so why don't we say that in the report?
Kiran Malancharuvil:I don't think everyone has spoken Mike. Can we just be satisfied at this point to put all the options in?
Mike Rodenbaugh:UNICEF and UNESCO have other means to prevent top level registration
Mike Rodenbaugh:ok, thanks for that further background. I appreciate it as a new member of the WG.
Alan Greenberg:The focus of this call should be to ensure that the draft report reflects the views of WG participants, NOT to advocate for one position or another.
Kiran Malancharuvil:agreed Alan
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Fully agree Alan
Mason Cole:+1 Alan
Julia Charvolen:If you are not speaking please mute your line, thank you
Debra Hughes:My apologies...I need to leave the call for another meeting.
Kiran Malancharuvil:I have to dip off the call as well. Sorry. Will look forward to the fully integrated version with comments.
David Roache-Turner:A general structural point - IGO and INGO recomendations should really be split in general - the entities are different classes, as we have often discussed, and conflating the two categories (apples and oranges) for purposes of recomendations contributes to the confusion; it also makes it much more difficult for the casual reader tounderstand what is being considered for recomendations in each case; the absence of such spilt also makes it much more diffilut to reflect differencesin group deliberations on each.
Berry Cobb:Correct. Per the Chair's guidelines, we tried to be as objective as possible...to expedite delivery to the community. Positions about the options/recommendations would delay release and where the positions about any could be posted in public comment forum.
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Agree with Greg and David on iliciting supportive rationale from comments
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Agree with Alan
David Roache-Turner:on a pragmatic levl, would simply suggest including an option for "rationale (if any)" under each question
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):It's a pity we didn't separate these into (1) who is protected (2) what is the protection itself and (3) and what is protected.
Berry Cobb:To minimize the number of variibles was the reason. To do otherwise, we would have 40 or so rows.
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):I can understand that. I wonder if there is a way to do that conceptually. In the introduction perhaps, as Alan suggested.
David Roache-Turner:+1 chuck
Berry Cobb:To reiterate from 2nd level matrix. This procedure most likely is only required if any Identifiers are placed on a reserve list vs. a Clearinghouse model.
Berry Cobb:Option #8.
Mason Cole:I have to leave the call now -- speak to everyone online and on the next call on June 5.
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Right.
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Just need to be careful with the language, but of course all options should be included.
David Roache-Turner:Just to note re that last exchange - IGO names and acronyms are not trademarks for purposes of the UDRP, URS, TMCH (as also indicated in our comments on the draft report)
Berry Cobb:I'll be sure to fold those in to the next rev, Chuck.
Greg Shatan:David R-T: Aren't they protected by statute or treaty and thus eligible for TMCH?
David Roache-Turner:yes, as IGO names and acronyms, but not as word marks as such, which the URS requires for standing
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):This highlights the importance of being careful with language..
Claudia MacMaster Tamarit (ISO):Thank you all. And of course in particular to Brian and Berry for digesting all these comments.
Alan Greenberg:Indeed, and doing it in record time!