AC Chat: 2017-11-28 ALAC Monthly Teleconference
- Yesim Saglam
- Aleksey Khapchenko
- Gisella Gruber
Gisella Gruber:Welcome to the ALAC Monthly call on Tuesday 28 November 2017 at 21:00 UTC
Gisella Gruber:Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/q_fvBQ
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:Hi barack
Chokri Ben Romdhane:bonsoir gisella on commence quand?
Gisella Gruber:Bonsoir Chorkri! Dans 35minutes
Gisella Gruber:Good evening all
Gisella Gruber:we have another 35min to go
Barrack Otieno:Hi Kris, hi Gisella good to e-see you all, just waiting for the call to start
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:we have some time ....and good to see all again
Gisella Gruber:Chokri - merci de me faire savoir si vous souhaitez participer en francais
Chokri ben Romdhane:je continue en anglais pour cette fois
Chokri ben Romdhane:merci
Gabriel BOMBAMBO:GISELLA, bonsoir
Gisella Gruber:Welcome to all those who have joined!
Heidi Ullrich:Welcome, All!
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:holly knows how to have fun
Krishna Seeburn - Kris::)
Vanda Scartezini:hi everyone. wonderful spring time around here...
Wale Bakare:Hi all
Ricardo Holmquist:Good day everyone
Holly Raiche:@Ed - how is Puewro Rico now phone, other services?
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:please unsync agenda
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:thanks!
Eduardo Diaz:@Holly: getting better. I move to an apartment that I have in the COndado area (turistic area) that has all services up and running. Services around the island are coming back little by litlle but everyday you see improvements
Holly Raiche:Good news Ed
Eduardo Diaz:Thnaks for asking
Javier Rúa-Jovet:Hi!
Holly Raiche:Welcome Javier
Javier Rúa-Jovet:Hi Holly!
Raymond Mamattah (Ghana):Thanks
Alberto Soto:Hola a todos, hello all!!
Glenn McKnight:hOLA Alberto
Javier Rúa-Jovet:Hola Beto!
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:hello from Chad / bousoir Depuis le Tchad
Alberto Soto:Hola Javier!!
Maureen Hilyard:Hi everyone
judith hellerstein:Hi Abdeldjalil how was IGF Chad
Sarah Kiden:Hi everyone
wafa Dahmani:hi everyone
Javier Rúa-Jovet:Hi Sara
Javier Rúa-Jovet:Hi Wafa
wafa Dahmani:Hi Javier
judith hellerstein:Glad to hear this Eduardo
wafa Dahmani (ccnso liaison):nice to e-meet u Javier
Javier Rúa-Jovet:same Wafa!
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:hello Judith thanks it was well wonderful shortly we will share the report on IGFREGIONALS list
wafa Dahmani (ccnso liaison):@abdeljalil how to join the IGFREGIONALS list
Javier Rúa-Jovet:I forbid you, Gisella, from having perfect pronunciation in more than 4 languages.
Holly Raiche:Bad luck Javier!
Javier Rúa-Jovet:what no prizes!????
Holly Raiche:(I am always wonderfully surprised at how weell every name is pronounced!
Javier Rúa-Jovet:No comment
Holly Raiche:Ten elephant stars for Gisella
Vanda Scartezini:agree Javier, impressive!!! I thought only hungarians could speak all alnguages with few accent.
Sarah Kiden:Thumbs up, Gisella!
Gisella Gruber:Thank you :-)
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:@Wafa plus facile faut rejoindre le mailinglist https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__intgovforum.org_mailman_listinfo_igfregionals-5Fintgovforum.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=xTkgOD5YHJXddpImgr0TA9xArUuSVeZ8acAAH_bYQ74&s=mOi-A-WVm5wTCfpmZdCNEyGieLmnIJtQ7JgCvlguP0A&e= ou Aussi envoyer une requête au secrétariat de IGF au AGENGO@unog.ch
Glenn McKnight:The NARALO newsletter will add a section on Policy Briefs
wafa Dahmani (ccnso liaison):@abdeljalil thx
Ariel Liang:Wiki for the statement: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/92oeBg
Ariel Liang:pls scroll to the bottom
Glenn McKnight:What is the normal Generally Accepted Accounting Practices for reserves. GAAP
judith hellerstein:Yes always impressed by this
Gisella Gruber:@ All - if you have a question or comment, please raise your hands in the Adobe Connect room or alternatively, please type into the AC chat and we will make note of this
Glenn McKnight:Interesting can't seem to use the Private chat feature in Adobe today
judith hellerstein:@glenn it works for me
Glenn McKnight:yes it works, one sec
Alberto Soto:@Glenn, it works for me too
Glenn McKnight:nope tried to judith. I did get hers
Glenn McKnight:Cheryl is hard to understand
Javier Rúa-Jovet:choppy sound
Heidi Ullrich:@Cheryl, very choppy audio
Glenn McKnight:a bit better
Glenn McKnight:she is fine now
Javier Rúa-Jovet:bit better
Javier Rúa-Jovet:choppy again
Holly Raiche:Sound quality not good
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:my question @ What are the importance of having the reserve fund for internet users? if yes how they will impact us ?
Vanda Scartezini:better now
Gisella Gruber:@ Cheryl - we are disconnecting you and dialling out to you again as very bad audio
judith hellerstein:@cheryl can you post it in the chat the link to it. As I could not really hear her
Glenn McKnight:GAAP sets the standard
Glenn McKnight:1 year isn't unusual
Ariel Liang:Background doc about the reserved fund: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_draft-2Dreserve-2Dfund-2D12oct17-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=xTkgOD5YHJXddpImgr0TA9xArUuSVeZ8acAAH_bYQ74&s=sS-ohZXKt1ApS3trjnjKGKw8HOdx8LT5qNnNaO-4_qk&e=
Gisella Gruber:Welcome Justine!
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:RIRs have been working on 24-36 months
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:thanks Ariel for the link
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):I apologise for audio I doubt it will be improved much but I can try with a headset if needs be
Wale Bakare:Are we really talking about financial practices based on, individual not-for-profit organization or we need to benchmark on the future projection and financial climate, let say, in next 15 years?
judith hellerstein:HI Sebastien-- I agree with you
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:that is fact alan
Holly Raiche:It shouldbe in erms of months - not an amount
Maureen Hilyard:Thank you for the summaries Alan.. maybe its my line but I had difficulty hearing Sebastian important issues distinctly
bartlett morgan:disagree with Sebastian on fixed number
judith hellerstein:alan-Yes that is what they did recently with the budget
Heidi Ullrich:ALAC Members are the 15 members of the AT-Large Advisory Committee
Bastiaan Goslings:I agree with Alan
Javier Rúa-Jovet:I disagree with absolute number
Alberto Soto:I agree with Alan
wafa Dahmani:please mute when you are not speaking
Bastiaan Goslings:I think number of staff is another topic / discussion
Hadia Elminiawi:agree with Sabastian
Vanda Scartezini:my experience is working with a percentage of the full income
Sebastien (ALAC):We have to use the tool whe can! @Bastiaan
judith hellerstein:I agree with Holly
Vanda Scartezini:she said IS
judith hellerstein:That is what I believe
Vanda Scartezini:Ig ree with Holly too
Gisella Gruber:Beran Dondeh and Julie Hammer have joined the call - welcome!
BERAN DONDEH GILLEN:Hello everyone
BERAN DONDEH GILLEN:apologies for being late
Ariel Liang:I;m not on mute
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):Judith it took me a short time to find the link to the streaming of the GNSO Council calls which is the only link to the discussion regarding GNSO Council input on the Reserve Fund it is at 2100 UTC on Nov 30th https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__stream.icann.org-3A8000_GNSO.m3u&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=xTkgOD5YHJXddpImgr0TA9xArUuSVeZ8acAAH_bYQ74&s=dpnGEYRiuLNWeG_Ec8dBCWXWzaFV50Kfo46ZnLmunjQ&e=
Holly Raiche:Could we please see the policy page
Gisella Gruber:Welcome Leon!
Leon Sanchez:Hello everyone!
Leon Sanchez:Apologies for lateness
Leon Sanchez:I am hearing
Vanda Scartezini:everyone
Hadia Elminiawi:yes alan
Gisella Gruber:@ All - APOLOGIES to all - we are dealing with the audio issues
Heidi Ullrich:At times it takes a bit of time to sort audio issues. Thanks for your patience.
Holly Raiche:Could we please have he ability to move the agenda
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):all but the Staff a
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):Accountability one are a
Javier Rúa-Jovet:Hola León!
Leon Sanchez:Hola Javier! Ya falta menos para ir a Puerto Rico!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):are already in drafting mode Tijani
Hadia Elminiawi:@tijani I can be on the jurisdiction
Maureen Hilyard:Hi all - dropped AC for a minute.. missed some conversation
Ariel Liang:https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/N2seBg
Holly Raiche:Happy to have a look
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):though that seems set to at least 2 people as well
Gisella Gruber:Matthew Rantanen has joined the AC room - welcome Matthew!
Javier Rúa-Jovet:Así es, Leon!
judith hellerstein:I will contribute my thoughts to WS2 Diversity
Vanda Scartezini:Tijani, jurisdiction I can hold a pen fi I can work with other colleague too
Matthew Rantanen:@Gisella, FYI I was on the Adigo Bridge from the beginning, but could not speak for some reason. please count me as present. Thanks
Gisella Gruber:@ Matthew - you are on our list :-)
Hadia Elminiawi:@ vanda would love to work with you
Matthew Rantanen:Thank you very much. Happy to be back to the Adobe connect
Bastiaan Goslings:I think I am gpping to be busy here
Vanda Scartezini:ok - which is the dead line?
Ariel Liang:CCT-RT related public comment: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/Y2seBg
Ricardo Holmquist:@Bastian: you are going to comment on the Staff one?, if so i can help
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):we should get operating standards for ICANN Specific Reviews
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:i'll work with holly
Gisella Gruber:on the phone: Abdulkarim Ayopo Oloyede
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):yes
Ariel Liang:Abdulkarim Ayopo Oloyede
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):excellent
BERAN DONDEH GILLEN:Abdulkarim
Hadia Elminiawi:I'll work with Vanda on the jurisdiction
Barrack Otieno:ok
Vanda Scartezini:hadia, dead line?
Hadia Elminiawi:not sure I think december 15
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):as I said in the ALT call I can't hold pen but can assist
Bastiaan Goslings:Nobody has written anything
Bastiaan Goslings:(as far as I know)
Glenn McKnight:@javier can you email a briefing not on policy issues pending for the NARALO newsletter
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):and of course you can all make your own comments
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):that would aid drafting
judith hellerstein:Thanks alan
BERAN DONDEH GILLEN:Please put me down for Diversity to aid Judith
judith hellerstein:What about several of the decertifications for naralo
judith hellerstein:there are several groyps that do not exist
Glenn McKnight:they have been sent months ago
Matthew Rantanen:Is there a deadline to submit a new NARALO ALS?
Glenn McKnight:No deadline
judith hellerstein:yes but they have not been added to the system
Glenn McKnight:America Online VIBUG, ISOC Disabled and Special Needs were submitted months ago
Evin Erdogdu:Please refer to Decertification Workspace: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_atlarge_At-2DLarge-2BStructure-2BDecertification-2BWorkspace&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=xTkgOD5YHJXddpImgr0TA9xArUuSVeZ8acAAH_bYQ74&s=WhfHoHV3Co18u_ARCDSm6ckp7DvOuTLKgAo86TU4bqE&e=
Silvia Vivanco:Judith please send the relevant data to add to the due diligence (if there is new info)
Glenn McKnight:Yes we will followup with Silvia
Evin Erdogdu:Thank you, Judith and Glenn
Silvia Vivanco:Thank you Glenn, please send us any new data to support decertification
Glenn McKnight:Good point Alan
judith hellerstein:thanks alan
Glenn McKnight:We will followup with Silvia on the list
judith hellerstein:I agree with tijani
Glenn McKnight:@Silvia we should setup a call when free
Silvia Vivanco:@ Glenn sure
Julie Hammer:Nothing from me
Glenn McKnight:No update on new NARALO ALS or Unaffiliated members
Glenn McKnight:We are working on some leads from our last CROP trip
Sebastien (ALAC):AI Add a column with the total number of Countries & Territories by region
Glenn McKnight:News Two of the NARALO ALS is holding ICANN 60 Readouts. Judith can talk about here event last night . ISOC SFC is pending on Dec 5th
Glenn McKnight:@ Judith are you going to speak on the Readout>
judith hellerstein:if people are interested. I can
Glenn McKnight:The readouts are good idea. I spoke with Marita to help her in Ottawa
judith hellerstein:The Outreach groups should also work with ther other consituencies Outreach and engagement
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:@ Alan agree with you
Sarah Kiden:I agree with Alan's proposal
Eduardo Diaz:I recommend to hava only one Chair and a one Secretary as leaders of this group
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):That really doesn't assist woth Regional balance though Eduardo
Holly Raiche:Whatever he structure,, there should be at least one representative from each RALO
judith hellerstein:as I understand the co-chairs were sleected to make sure all regions were represented
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):The co-Chairs *should have rotated roles in leadership
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):Correct Judith
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:I will support tijani
Glenn McKnight:The co chairs were organized by region
Glenn McKnight:its only 4 cochairs
judith hellerstein:I agree with the idea of having co-chairs for each region
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:so we need to sort out the communications issues
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):There was never meant to be a Snr Chair, I suspect it was a wiki listing artifact OCL where an Interim Chair ended listed as Chair
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):There was never meant to be a Snr Chair, I suspect it was a wiki listing artifact OCL where an Interim Chair ended listed as Chair \
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):lets face it our wiki's are often in need of update hardly suprising
Glenn McKnight:More important issues is having a plan and communication across the community
Maureen Hilyard:@Cheryl Especially the wikis relating to our WGs - they are of out of date
Eduardo Diaz:I think we need a charter fro this group so everyone knows what to expect and its role within it
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):No the Co Chairs have specific responsabilities including ensuring the Regional Outreach plans are synched
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):indeed Maureen!
Ricardo Holmquist:Agree with Alan proposition, also, with one chair, 4 co chair. The chair rotating every x months
Eduardo Diaz:@Cheryl: can you point out where are these responsabilities set?
Maureen Hilyard:As a member of the O&E co-Chair group, each of us liaising with our RALOs, we got along really well and coordinated as Cheryl said according to our own responsibilities. The co_Chairs could have changed by the RALOs if they wanted a change
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):AGree with you OCL
Bastiaan Goslings:@Maureen: hahaha, 'As a member of the O&E co-Chair group'
Eduardo Diaz:@MAureen: if it is working, why it is being discussed here?
Sarah Kiden:Probably working for some RALOs
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):Because Alan nted the Chair as well as CoChair listing in the Wiki
judith hellerstein:I agree with olivier
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):No Alan we did not intend ti have a Snr Chair
Maureen Hilyard:@Eduardo the responsibilities were set at the O&E meetings.. which other members attended and contributed to.. and the meetings were shared among the group
Glenn McKnight:Can we move on the issue of the past chair issue
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):DITCH the Chair notation off the wiki then
Glenn McKnight:wasting time
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:we can discuss during OE CALL about that
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):seems so Glenn
judith hellerstein:I think the RALOs should be able to name as many people as possible. why limit it to 2 people
Eduardo Diaz:@MAureen: if that is the case they should have been written somewhere for people like me.
Holly Raiche:Can we just agree to have each RALO represented and the group then decide its structure
Bastiaan Goslings:+1 Holly
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):Holly that was always the design
Glenn McKnight:@holly makes sense to me
Glenn McKnight:let the new group decide
Maureen Hilyard:@Holly that was what happened before and an agreement about the co-chairs was made by the O&E group.. but we can see that there needs to be a change
Hadia Elminiawi:+1 Holly
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:I agree with tijani that Ralo can appoint a member from their ralo even if different from RALO team
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):Amm APRALO certinly appointed Maureen
Maureen Hilyard:But people have to come to the meetings, and do the work when we are preparing for outreach at each ICANN meeting. Its has usually been left to the same people. The IGF outreach is an example
Glenn McKnight:I will be representing NARALO and we are seeking a second person from the membership
Holly Raiche:Nothing to add from me
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):Glenn as OCL stated the CoChairs from my observations as a regular attendee/member of the O&E committee works quuite well with each other , Sure having 2 more formal appointments to the Committee is fine but really I am unsure other thn a wiki edit needed what the problem(s) are
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):This is an excellent idea
Sarah Kiden:@Cheryly, I would think it is communication as Olivier earlier mentioned
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):the Policy Reboot I mean ;-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):well communication is something the O&E can work on and improve itself
Sarah Kiden:Agree
Maureen Hilyard:@Holly I agree too
Maureen Hilyard:Lots of things to organise to make it work, but the principle is good
Holly Raiche:So much better than a bunch of WGs that form and disband - just one group with experts who meet to address specific issues as they arise
judith hellerstein:that is what work stream 2 does
Maureen Hilyard:And by having regular reporting about what is happening in each WG, will encourge more participation I am sure
Holly Raiche:Agree with Mauren
Bastiaan Goslings:I too agree and think this is a very good idea
Hadia Elminiawi:+1 Alan
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:+ 1 alan
Maureen Hilyard:Lets go for it!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):But it did do some good base work
Vanda Scartezini:yeah maureen
Ricardo Holmquist:It won't make sense for me to change the rules twice in six months
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:agree with tijani
judith hellerstein:lets get started on it now
Vanda Scartezini: no wait is my point.
Sarah Kiden:We should start. No need to wait
Barrack Otieno:+1 Tijani
Heidi Ullrich:To what extent will the work of the ALS criteria group impact the ATLAS III prep (critiera for support)?
Heidi Ullrich:ATLAS III prep is being planned to start shortly.
Glenn McKnight:Need to give the ALS the heads up on the minimum performance criteria. This is critical for our ATLAS 3 involvement
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:AFRALO
Bastiaan Goslings:Good question, Heidi
Matthew Rantanen:Agreed +1 @Glenn
Vanda Scartezini:Heidi - IMO may help to define criteria
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):indeed Glenn
Glenn McKnight:Only active ALS should be going to to Kobe
Bastiaan Goslings:Kobe?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):I thought the ATLAS II venue had changed
Glenn McKnight:2019 ATLAS 3 IN jAPAN
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):III
Glenn McKnight:OK
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):That is what I thought Alan thanks you
Glenn McKnight:Montreal in November
Eduardo Diaz:That is next year!
Glenn McKnight:2018
Heidi Ullrich:2019
Glenn McKnight:Its went we do our second NASIG
Heidi Ullrich:2018 AGM is Barcelona
judith hellerstein:yes you mean late 2019 --2018 is barcelona
Eduardo Diaz:@Heidi: you are correct
Glenn McKnight:confused is ATLAS 2 in 2018 or 2019
Vanda Scartezini:yeah heidi, I do not beleive ATLAS could be there
judith hellerstein:in 2019
judith hellerstein:alan made a mistake
Glenn McKnight:Montreal is in 2018
Vanda Scartezini:Montreal???
Glenn McKnight:He hasn't rectified it
Heidi Ullrich:Evin will be the staff lead on this gorup
Eduardo Diaz:@Glenn: 2019
Glenn McKnight:no proceed
Javier Rúa-Jovet:no dissent here
Glenn McKnight:So Atlas 3 is in 2019 in Montreal?
Glenn McKnight:I will volunteer to the ALS criteria committee
Sebastien (ALAC):I guess it is the more probable Atlas III in Montreal in 2019
Vanda Scartezini:agree Sebastien
Glenn McKnight:As a CROP RT I have seen some basic misunderstanding of the applications .
Glenn McKnight:We haven't had any issues on CROP ie. Judith and I have been very proactive
judith hellerstein:I will also volunteer for als criteria
Javier Rúa-Jovet:no dissent here
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):indeed Glenn they often get caught in the RT process
judith hellerstein:yes but I need to go off adobe and go on the phone
Glenn McKnight:Some people expect miracles in very fast turn around
Gisella Gruber:Harold Arcos has joined the call - welcome Harold
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):I agree Tijani it is an assist
Glenn McKnight:Yes Tijani good point
Harod:Thanks @Gisella,
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):People can of course be *wrong* Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):pparently I often am ;-)
Maureen Hilyard:LOL
Glenn McKnight:its might have flaws but not broken
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:CROP is more use nowadays by RALO team for regional Event that ALS local event
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:than ALS local engagement or outreach
Gisella Gruber:@ Glenn - have muted your AC
Glenn McKnight:it was unmuted for one sec
Alberto Soto:I agree Alan
Bastiaan Goslings:All: fyi, I will have to leave this call in 15min time, it has been a very long day
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:but CROP is good initiative just we need to review
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:agree with @Tijani we can review CROP procedures to be so easy and simple
Glenn McKnight:for sure
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:If someone files a CROP request that just says "I want to go for a holiday at location X" - the CROP RT will respond that it does not fit the Outreach strategic plan of the region. So like it or not, the CROP RT does act as a gatekeeper in some cases. Because otherwise the CROP request will be made, published, and refused by Staff - and that will reflect badly on At-Large
Glenn McKnight:old
Glenn McKnight:As i stated some people don;t consider the extra issues ie. Visa etc. Adds time to the application.
Glenn McKnight:dates
Heidi Ullrich:The CROP has their own timetable. The RT is an additional decision by At-Large.
Glenn McKnight:Yes we know it has a timetable but the Visa issues can require longer time
Glenn McKnight:8 weeks can be too short in some cases
Eduardo Diaz:What is this group suppose to be reviewing?
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:If the RT does not act as a gatekeeper, the RALOs will need to act as gatekeepers and this then introduces potential internal RALO politics into the gatekeeping
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:needs to be transparent as well
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:but you need a gatekeeping on trip requests
Glenn McKnight:@oliver true
Maureen Hilyard:@OCL who is on the RT?
Glenn McKnight:Judith and I are for NARALO
Maureen Hilyard:cross RALO?
Heidi Ullrich:COP Workspace: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/COP22
Eduardo Diaz:@Olivier: so the reviews is to review applications and not the program. Correct?
Matthew Rantanen:You've got to have guidelines, and you then need someone to base the application against the guidelines, and then accept or reject... It
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:correct @Eduardo
Matthew Rantanen:It's just process
Glenn McKnight:yep
Maureen Hilyard:RT looks fair.. what is the problem?
Glenn McKnight:long story Maureen
Maureen Hilyard:Oh dear!
Matthew Rantanen:I applied for those extra ones
BERAN DONDEH GILLEN:we do have something in writing
BERAN DONDEH GILLEN:we can share with the list
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:Correct @MAtthew
Eduardo Diaz:How we are going to select the people if there is no criteria to selct them?
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:iam interest so I will apply soon :-)
Raymond Mamattah (Ghana):I want the travel opportunity
Eduardo Diaz:One of the meentes should be from the region where the meeting is being held
Sarah Kiden:Agree with you Eduardo. We need criteria.
Matthew Rantanen:+1 Eduardo
Glenn McKnight:I agree obviously with Ed
Heidi Ullrich:There is no funding available for 5 slots. The current program is being rebooted. Your input is useful to design the future program. Perhaps an Additional Budget Request could be considered to add additional travelers for FY19.
Harold Arcos:+1 @Eduardo
Eduardo Diaz:This should be managed by an adhoc group to submit a proposal on the criteria
Heidi Ullrich:There is a possiblity to have informal mentors/mentees if they are already supported.
Glenn McKnight:Ed, me and Matt suggested that the Mentor comes from the region
Eduardo Diaz:And maybe the process.
Matthew Rantanen:@Heidi, I've been one fo those, sort of...
Glenn McKnight:where the event is held
Maureen Hilyard:@Heidi.. but if additional budget requests are made for the onboarding program that has been an ICANN initiative, then that will be less money that will be available for RALO initiatives
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):Makes sense Alberto we shiuld be able to find a Mentor that is supported to attend
Glenn McKnight:Its logical that the person within region will meet more people and be more active within region
Heidi Ullrich:@Maureen, the ABR would help any addition to the core program
Heidi Ullrich:and the COP is for RALOs/ALSes
Eduardo Diaz:The mentor should be rotated through ALAC members as part of their duties of being in ALAC
Barrack Otieno:Good proposal
Heidi Ullrich:Past/current Mentors/Mentees could also continue their activities virtually
Barrack Otieno:Criteria just needs to be refined
Matthew Rantanen:+1 Alan
Matthew Rantanen:We experienced that in ICANN60
BERAN DONDEH GILLEN:Eduardo I like the proposal of rotating the mentor within ALAC
BERAN DONDEH GILLEN: Past/current Mentors/Mentees could also continue their activities virtually -- YES!
Heidi Ullrich:an At-Large mailing list or Skype chat for all current/former mentors/mentees might be useful to facilitate discussion
Ariel Liang:noted (with more elaborate details)
Eduardo Diaz:@Olivier: but everyone needs to be clear as to what criteria is going to be used for the selection
Gisella Gruber:@ Alan - nothing to add from me
Gisella Gruber:Abdulkarim wanted to make a comment
Gisella Gruber:now Sebastien
Gisella Gruber:Abdulkarim Ayopo Oloyede has asked for the floor
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:@Eduardo: I have asked this very question on the ALAC, Secretariat & the Outreach and Engagement working groups and so far nobody has suggested any criteria
Eduardo Diaz:@Olivier: :-(
Sarah Kiden:@Olivier, we were waiting for this call :-)
Glenn McKnight:yes, this has been going on for a while
Chokri ben Romdhane:ok good night thank you all
Heidi Ullrich:Please send a note to staff know if you would like to join the Sub-committee on Outreach and Engagement -
Ariel Liang:email is staff@atlarge.icann.org
Hadia Elminiawi:goodnight chokri
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-sc-outreach
Chokri ben Romdhane:thank you hadia
Holly Raiche:Support the idea
Sarah Kiden:Agree
Maureen Hilyard:support
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:I agree
Holly Raiche:Leave it up to the chairs
Hadia Elminiawi:leave it to tje chairs
Bartlett Morgan:is this a one off delegation?
Maureen Hilyard:Leave it to the chairs
Barrack Otieno:Leave it to the Chair
Holly Raiche:@ Bartlet - yes, most decisions are ALAC - but happy with this up to the Chairs
Glenn McKnight:bye all
Glenn McKnight:need to run
BERAN DONDEH GILLEN:bye Glenn
Hadia Elminiawi:bye glenn
Holly Raiche:Bye Glenn
Vanda Scartezini:good evening Glenn
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Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - AU):Thanks everyone lots covered today... Bye for now...
Ricardo Holmquist:bye everyone
Alberto Soto:Thanks, by bye!!
Heidi Ullrich:Thank you, everyone!
Matthew Rantanen:Ciao
Leon Sanchez:Great call
Bartlett Morgan:bye all
Vanda Scartezini:thank you all - excellent call!!
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:hhahahah
Sarah Kiden:Thanks everyone
Hadia Elminiawi:thank you and bye
Kaili Kan:Bye!
Leon Sanchez:bye all!
Leah Symekher:bye
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:bye bye
Silvia Vivanco:Thank you bye!
Gisella Gruber:Thank you everyone
Maureen Hilyard:thank you Gisella. bye all