12 November 2014
- Mary Wong
Analytics
The next meeting of the new IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group is scheduled on Wednesday 12 November 2014 at 17:00 UTC
09:00 PST, 12:00 EST, 17:00 London, 18:00 CET
For other times: http://tinyurl.com/oa85fcg
Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/crp/
Agenda:
- Roll Call/Updates to SOI
- Continue deliberations on: (a) potentially differentiating between IGOs and INGOs; and (b) potentially differentiating the Red Cross and IOC from other INGOs
- Commence deliberations on the next Work Plan/Charter question: "Develop potential considerations (e.g. qualifying requirements, authentication criteria and appeal processes) for IGOs and INGOs that would be relevant to their use of dispute resolution proceedings” (if time permits)
- Next steps
MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-20141112-en.mp3
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-igo-ingo-crp-access-12nov14-en.pdf
Attendees:
George Kirikos - Individual
Jim Bikoff – IPC
Petter Rindforth – IPC
Val Sherman – IPC
Phil Corwin – BC
Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP
Mason Cole – RySG
Lori Schulman – NPOC
Gary Campbell – GAC
Alexander Lerman – no SOI
David Healsley - IPC
Jay Chapman – Individual
David Cake – NCUC
Nat Cohen - BC
David Maher – RySG
Apologies:
Kristine Dorrain- Individual
Paul Tattersfield - Individual
ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Steve Chan
Berry Cobb
Nathalie Peregrine
Adobe Connect chat transcript for Wednesday, 12 November 2014:
Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the 12th November 2014
Gary Campbell:Hi Jay, Nathalie
Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Gary and Jay!
Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all
Val Sherman:Hello all
George Kirikos:Hi everyone.
Jay Chapman:Hi Everyone!
Alexander Lerman:Greetings all
Nathalie Peregrine:David Cake has joined the call
Nathalie Peregrine:Lori Schulman has also joined the call
Gary Campbell:Greg you have your hand up
Gary Campbell:George rather
George Kirikos:Right. I think that's what Paul's point was -- for the 3 major issues, i.e. having a TM, costs, and mutual jurisdiction, IGOs aren't necessarily 'special' either.
George Kirikos:And so, Paul was trying to say that there should be an overall principle involved, rather than different strokes for different folks....
George Kirikos:It's nice to have you on today's call, Gary (Gary's with the GAC).
Gary Campbell:Thanks George
George Kirikos:Thanks Jim.
Lori Schulman:I agree that we should focus on IGO's
Jay Chapman:Agree with you, Phil
George Kirikos:Yes, I think it makes sense to focus on IGOs, as the obstacles for INGOs don't seem different from other organizations.
George Kirikos:http://www.state.gov/s/l/38648.htm
Mary Wong:We are uploading it to the chat room
George Kirikos:A private action, indeed. So, the 'mutual jurisdiction/immunity' issue exists in the normal course of enforcement.
Nathalie Peregrine:Nat Cohen has joined the call
Nat Cohen:Hi everyone. Sorry for joining late.
George Kirikos:Welcome, Nat.
Nat Cohen:Hi George
Jay Chapman:Agree, Phil
George Kirikos:I have to always correct myself when I say "real world" -- I meant "offline" world, since the "online" world is definitely real! :)
Mary Wong:@George, :)
George Kirikos:Has that IGO coaltion been created yet?
George Kirikos:(i.e. we talked about sending out an invitation to all the IGO observers to the GAC)
Petter Rindforth:I fully support that, as a necessary step to move on
Mary Wong:@George, staf has that as an action item to take back to the Council
George Kirikos:lol I see Mary had to backspace/delete "real world" too ... :-)
Mary Wong:LOL - I did!!!!
George Kirikos:Registrant can even initiate a court filing during the UDRP itself.
George Kirikos:Does the General Counsel have access to Westlaw or other databases?
George Kirikos:(i.e. to do a text search on court cases involving 6ter)
Mary Wong:@George, I don't know (I wish I still did! :)
George Kirikos:CanLII.org is a free Canadian court ruling database, but I didn't find much.
Lori Schulman:I think that Google Scholar is free for case law research too.
George Kirikos:Good point, Lori.
Lori Schulman::)
George Kirikos:unifem.com is still not owned by the IGO.
Lori Schulman:In my experience IGO's and NGO's do not enforce in the same way as the Fortune 500.
George Kirikos:Only 1 match in Google Scholar for 6ter.
Lori Schulman:It's surprising what they don't own.
George Kirikos:(for the Federal Courts)
Petter Rindforth:Agree
Lori Schulman:When I say enforce, I mean in the name space.
Mary Wong:In my past life as an academic, Google Scholar wasn't very comprehensive or useful :(
George Kirikos:Yes, the paid databases are the place to check.. $$$$
Lori Schulman:Lexis requires a monthly subscription. It is not pay as you go as in the past. You need a subscription. My organization does not have one...unfortunately.
George Kirikos 2:Adobe froze.
Petter Rindforth:Good reason to skip that date
George Kirikos:Anyone else having Adobe issues? Keeps freezing up.
George Kirikos:Good to skip that date. I'd also skip December 24, 2014.
Nathalie Peregrine:@ George, my AC seems fine.
George Kirikos:(if we're sticking to Wednesdays)
Jay Chapman:agree with George, might add 12/31 as well
Lori Schulman:This is my second Adobe call today and it's been wonky all day especially the mobile app.
Nathalie Peregrine:{Please use Firefox and keep it updated as much as possible as this does tend to erase bugs
George Kirikos:It's been stable other days. First time it has ever froze up on me, in many uses.
Nathalie Peregrine:Update can be found here: • Open your Firefox Web Browser and navigate to the following URL:• https://arcps.adobeconnect.com/common/help/en/support/meeting_test.htm• On Step #4 of the Test – Please select “Install Add-in” Or “Update Add-in”
Alexander Lerman:Thanks all
George Kirikos:Bye everyone. Have a great day!
Jay Chapman:Thanks, Everyone. Goodbye!
Lori Schulman:ciao