8 September 2014
- Mary Wong
The next meeting of the new IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group- Monday 08 September 2014 at 19:00 UTC
12:00 PDT, 15:00 EDT, 20:00 London, 21:00 CET
For other times: http://tinyurl.com/pnpaz8t
Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/crp/
Agenda:
- Roll Call/Updates to SOI
- Chairs’ Introduction
- Briefing on Status of Previous IGO-INGO PDP Working Group Recommendations
- Update from 4 September GNSO Council Discussion on Next Steps for the Remaining IGO-INGO PDP WG Recommendations
- Scheduling Future Meetings
- Next Steps
Documents for Review:
Briefing Note on Status of Original IGO INGO Consensus Recommendations 2 Sept 2014
MP3 Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-20140908-en.mp3
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-igo-ingo-crp-access-08sep14-en.pdf
Attendees:
Imran Ahmed Shah – NCUC
Phil Corwin – BC
George Kirikos - Individual
Jay Chapman – Individual
Jim Bikoff – IPC
Nat Cohen – BC
Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP
Paul Tattersfield – Individual
Petter Rindforth – IPC
Val Sherman – IPC
Griffin Barnett – IPC
Mason Cole – RySG
Reg Levy – RySG
Kathy Kleiman-NCUC
Kristine Dorrain – Individual
David Heasley – IPC
Alexander Lerman – no SOI
Apologies:
John Mcgrann – RrSG
David Maher - RySG
ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Steve Chan
Nathalie Peregrine
Adobe Chat Transcript:
Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the 8th September 2014
Nathalie Peregrine:Audio has been enabled in the AC room
Jay Chapman:Hi Nathalie. Where will I find a dial-in number for audio?
Nathalie Peregrine:on the email invitation
Nathalie Peregrine:where are you based?
Jay Chapman:got it. the email was curtailed
Nathalie Peregrine:ok great!
Reg - M+M:Is audio dial-in only?
Mary Wong:@Reg, thre's audio in the Adobe Connect room as well.
Mary Wong:And you can also turn on your mic for speaking purposes in AC.
Val Sherman:Hello All. Also dialed in, along with Griffin Barnett and David Heasley
Reg - M+M:Okay, just no one's speaking right now :)
Reg - M+M:thanks!
Nathalie Peregrine:noted!
Mary Wong:You're most welcome!
Reg - M+M:I am a new member in the sense that this is my first call—but my SOI is updated.
George Kirikos:Will this be a 1 hour call, or 90 mins?
Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa and Alexander Lerman have joined the ca;;
Nathalie Peregrine:@ Gearge, 60 mins
George Kirikos:Great, thanks.
Nathalie Peregrine:Imran Ahmed Shah has joined the call
George Kirikos:Q: Has this been acknowledged by the entire board, or just the subset of the board in the New GTLDs Committee?
George Kirikos:(there was some debate on that on the GNSO Council mailing list, so it was unclear)
Kristine Dorrain-NAF:sorry to introduce myself and run but I had short notice on this meeting and have a conflict. See you all next week!
Petter Rindforth:yes, you are correct
Imran Ahmed Shah:I suggest that we the WG members should be provided with the access to the databases to have a look onto them before the discussion about recommendations or discussion starts.
George Kirikos:Do you mean the TMCH database, Imran? Or some other ones?
Imran Ahmed Shah:yes also the other databases like yearbook of IGO, IGNO and others
George Kirikos:Right, I suggested those, although they're very expensive -- hopefully ICANN can either buy it, or ask for it to be free (since we're using it for "academic" or "research" purposes)
Imran Ahmed Shah:yes,
Imran Ahmed Shah:I agree that we will need to review for policy development process
George Kirikos:The Doodle poll was fairly even --- conceivably we could rotate the dates/times?
Mary Wong:@George, if possible we'd like to avoid that as from past experience that's proven more confusing than we'd thought :)
George Kirikos:Ok. :)
Imran Ahmed Shah:It is fine for me to both Mon or Tue same time
Imran Ahmed Shah:altou its 00 mid night, but some times its ok
Kathy Kleiman:Mondays are good for me.
Reg - M+M:fine for me
George Kirikos:I'll be fine with this time, personally, for most weeks.
George Kirikos:(can't speak for others who aren't present, though)
Jay Chapman:next Mon works - not all will
Imran Ahmed Shah:And what will be the agenda of next meeting?
George Kirikos:Can we have the draft work plan well in advance of the next meeting?
George Kirikos:(if we're just seeing it for the first time next Monday, we won't be able to put forth meaningful comments/analysis)
Imran Ahmed Shah:yes, it will be helpful to review
Mary Wong:@George, the idea is to share it with the WG as much prior to Monday as we can :)
George Kirikos:Thanks, Mary.
Kathy Kleiman:But that is not knowledge now held by this WG
Mary Wong:Staff can circulate the documents that Jim mentioned for this WG's review.
Kathy Kleiman:@Mary: great
George Kirikos:Correct about the IOC. THe question is, if they're exercising the rights, why change the status quo?
Imran Ahmed Shah:I do not agree that without looking onto the data and information, we will be preparing right policy
George Kirikos:(and that's part of the scope of this group, i.e. IGO/INGOs concerned about immunity, etc.)
Kathy Kleiman:But what analysis has been done of the scope of protection of an IGO with a very general name, e.g., World Health Organization?
George Kirikos:Yes, Kathy. e.g. for ISO, there are registered TMs for gloves, etc.
Kathy Kleiman:The concern is that many similar organizations, with similar missions, and no intent to infringe, easily overlap in these highly descriptive names.
George Kirikos:So, part of our work should be an examination, i.e. going out and getting all the data, to measure the extent of the problems, concurrent uses, etc.
Mary Wong:One distinction between an IGO and an INGO is the different "hurdles" each has with using the UDRP and URS. For instance, IGOs have a jurisdictional immunity issue that INGOs do not have - this was in the Issue Report as a basis for the Council to initiate the PDP.
Mary Wong:@George, we are hoping that NAF and WIPO can assist us in that regard (data etc.)
George Kirikos:By, for example, surveying all IGOs/INGOs directly, we can actually get more scientific data, rather than ad hoc data like we currently have from a few voices.
George Kirikos:(if we have the budget to go out and send a mass mailing, for example)
George Kirikos:Looks like we're close to 4 pm.
George Kirikos:Bye everyone.
Imran Ahmed Shah:Thansk
Kathy Kleiman:Tx!