ATLAS II debrief call 2014-09-12 Chat
- Kathy Schnitt
- Aleksey Khapchenko
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome to the ATLAS II Debrief Single Issue ALAC call on Friday 12 September 2014 at 13:00 UTC.
Kathy Schnitt:Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/PobrBQ
Siranush Vardanyan:good day to everyone
Heidi Ullrich:Hi All!
Eduardo Diaz:¡Hola a todos!
Murray McKercher Toronto:good morning
Glenn McKnight:Hi
Glenn McKnight:@Murray did you know about the ICANN HUB idea ?
Fatima Cambronero:hello everyone
Glenn McKnight:@ Murray I left you a message
Leon Sanchez:Hello everyone
Heidi Ullrich:AI's: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/als2/pages/99321398/ATLAS+II+debrief+call+2014-08-22+Action+items
Leon Sanchez:No updates
Glenn McKnight:Also a report from the Fayre of Opportunities
Murray McKercher Toronto:ATLAS II Group Reportshttps://community.icann.org/display/als2/ATLAS+II+Group+ReportsEduardo Diaz ATLAS II Co-Chair Report submitted August 20th, 2014https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/49348760/ATLAS%20II%20-%20Planning%20Excution%20and%20Lessons%20Leraned.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1408675025000&api=v2I would like to point out that Eduardo’s report is an excellent summary with a number of recommendations and suggest everyone take the time to read it.Re: Olivier’s message September 12th , 2014 to Staff re: ATLAS II Website, http://atlas.icann.org/I must agree that as a group we can do much better on keeping ATLAS alive through it’s web site. I congratulate the original web site team for creating what we have, however, it is time for someone to own the ongoing curation of the site OR it’s integration with existing ICANN communication tools.In addition to ATLAS, AT-Large’s internet presence also lives here and I am unaware of who is responsible for this content? The “latest News”
Siranush Vardanyan:very well
Alberto Soto:Hi, I was late, sorry
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Alberto
Sylvia Herlein:hello everybody
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Sylvia
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:AI to ensure reporting of measurables, numbers of people engaged etc., for your activities needs to be passed onto thd
Heidi Ullrich:Full text is in the agenda pod
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:the ROI WG pleas
Murray McKercher Toronto:that is encouraging
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Resolved (2014.09.09.11), the Board looks forward to following up with theALAC on any inputs that are provided to the Board resulting from the FinalATLAS II Declaration.
Kathy Schnitt:Wolf Ludwig has joined audio
Heidi Ullrich:Post-ATLAS II workspace with table: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/display/als2/Post-ATLAS+II+Activities+Workspace
Siranush Vardanyan:can we scroll the page, please?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:no the page is under control of Ariel
Fatima Cambronero:Sira, the link that Heidi shared is the same than the AC
Siranush Vardanyan:ok, thanks, Olivier
Siranush Vardanyan:I have opened the link
Kathy Schnitt:@all: Maurenn Hilyard sends her apologies
Glenn McKnight:I agree with Holly on the Omsbudman role and responsibilities, his role is prescribed already
Glenn McKnight:Not sure if you can increase or decrease the functions of the office
Glenn McKnight:Perhaps the awareness of the role needs to be focused
Fatima Cambronero:yes, agree. I don't understand wht means "should be expanded"
Murray McKercher Toronto:how about future challenges group
Holly Raiche:Either Future challenges or Accountability
Holly Raiche:@ Glenn - why not do both?
Glenn McKnight:I think we can't expect expanding his role
Fatima Cambronero:agree @Glenn
Siranush Vardanyan:I think it doesn's fint under future challenges, more to accountability WG
Glenn McKnight:Some say he needs more bite
Siranush Vardanyan:fit
Holly Raiche:But we can ask - he can't deal with 80% of the complaints he receives
Siranush Vardanyan:yes, we can hear
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Dev Anand
Holly Raiche:Isn'tthat part of the same issue?
Glenn McKnight:I agree
Holly Raiche:That is part of what FC is doing
Fatima Cambronero:25 - accountability
Siranush Vardanyan:new one
Heidi Ullrich:Board resolutions: https://features.icann.org/resolutions
Heidi Ullrich:Board Recommendations: https://features.icann.org/board-advice
Glenn McKnight:#26 we need to simplify the meaning of this recommendation
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:social WG ; TTF
Glenn McKnight:Its an issue of effective communication
Murray McKercher Toronto:Sounds like a job for IBM's Watson AI system.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:26 - social media WG and TTF
Murray McKercher Toronto:agree with DEV
Fatima Cambronero:@Dev, and capacity building?
Glenn McKnight:It's an issue of information tracking and management systems
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Murray = exactly!
Glenn McKnight:I agree with Fatima that it fits more with capacity building since its a quality improvement task
Fatima Cambronero:agree @Glenn
Leon Sanchez:I believe that can be marked as resolved in part with the ALAC statement on the bylaws changes
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:yes, and ALAC to monitor if this will happen
Eduardo Diaz:#26 - maybe capacity building
Eduardo Diaz:I am sorry #28
Holly Raiche:Should go back to the RALO Chairs?
Murray McKercher Toronto:I agree withOCL and Holly
Siranush Vardanyan:We have put this as agenda item for APRALO f2f meeting in LA and will come up with the steps for implementation
Leon Sanchez:TTF
Murray McKercher Toronto:suggest social media group and ttf
Murray McKercher Toronto:a lot of social media tools that may apply here
Glenn McKnight:Garth has worked on some automated tools
Holly Raiche:Isn'tthis part of the larger resourcing of ALAC issue - including travel
Eduardo Diaz:We can not hear you murray
Glenn McKnight:Murray?
Glenn McKnight:got him
Fatima Cambronero:agree Eduardo, maybe we should define what impact means
Eduardo Diaz:Thinking......
Holly Raiche:For dis;;cussion atLA
Fatima Cambronero:agree @Oliiver
Murray McKercher Toronto:Re: 31 I don't understand the reference to crowdsourcing in this item
Leon Sanchez:I believe 31 is quite linked to 29
Glenn McKnight:This is a interesting idea but the term is often misused.
Glenn McKnight:It needs clear defination rather than jargon
Eduardo Diaz:from Internet: obtain (information or input into a particular task or project) by enlisting the services of a number of people, either paid or unpaid, typically via the Internet.
Glenn McKnight:Look at B Mendelson;s book on Social Media and Crowdsourcing http://www.socialmediaisbullshit.com/
Fatima Cambronero:a tool like Etherpad for example?
Murray McKercher Toronto:IMHO I think the term may not be the best one for this particular topic
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:agreed
Alberto Soto:and technolgyes
Murray McKercher Toronto:agreed
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:with Olivier re: social media and TTF and ralos
Glenn McKnight:It's a fad term without looking at the idea that you are trying to achieve
Glenn McKnight:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_collaborative_software
Fatima Cambronero:yes
Fatima Cambronero:I wiil send to Dev
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:thanks Fatima
Eduardo Diaz:#32 & #33 - Capacity Building
Glenn McKnight:I like Alfresco
Murray McKercher Toronto:Re: 32 ICANN did launch an online acronym tool in London
Leon Sanchez:Agree @Eduardo
Leon Sanchez:32 and 33 can be Capacity Building
Siranush Vardanyan:+1 Eduardo
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:re: crowd sourcing - looking up my notes the site liquidfeedback.org was cited as an example
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:re:33 - capacity building WG
Fatima Cambronero:+1 Dev
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:another item often cited is inreach
Heidi Ullrich:In the past At-Large has held 'Briefing Calls"
Leon Sanchez:Capacity building is indeed linked to education but in a more broader point of view is about enabling people to participate and contribute in a certain context by providing them with the tools and knowledge to this end
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:so inreach as compared to outreach
Murray McKercher Toronto:@leon, Thanks for the clarification
Heidi Ullrich:See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacity_building
Leon Sanchez::-) @Murray
Eduardo Diaz:From the Internet: Capacity building or development is the process by which individuals, groups, organizations, institutions and societies increase their abilities to: perform core functions, solve problems, define and achieve objectives; and understand and deal with their development needs in a broad context and in a sustainable manner.
Murray McKercher Toronto:Wide usage of the term has resulted in controversy over its true meaning. Community capacity building often refers to strengthening the skills, competencies and abilities of people and communities in developing societies so they can overcome the causes of their exclusion and suffering
Eduardo Diaz:@Murray:many definitions. I agree.
Sylvia Herlein:that's rigth Murray
Eduardo Diaz:I mean...many interpretations
Eduardo Diaz:or many implementations
Fatima Cambronero:34 is for me a principle
Glenn McKnight:It's repeating our prime directive
Murray McKercher Toronto:@Glenn the "prime directive", was that not something from star trek, The Borg if I am not mistaken..
Glenn McKnight:What is the rationale for these meetings?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:prime directive is from Star Trek but not from the Borg :-)
Glenn McKnight:@murray the Star Trek mission was not to distrub but Captain Kirk did the opposite. Point is directives aren't always followed
Glenn McKnight:@ I am a DR WHO fan not Star Trek
Holly Raiche:Am bidding you all a good evening - I need at least some sleep - have a long day ahead. Will read the rest of this meeting later.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:take care Holly
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:re: beginner guides - outreach sc
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:lol
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:actually I'll say outreach
Siranush Vardanyan:outreach?
Fatima Cambronero:yes
Murray McKercher Toronto:agreed
Glenn McKnight:Its;s not just accessibility to new ALS it's a matter of engagement to make sure they are active
Murray McKercher Toronto:@OCL excelent suggestion re; getting out of silos
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:social media also -
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:re : 39 -TTF
Murray McKercher Toronto:Do we know the role of the chief information officer
Siranush Vardanyan:ttf
Glenn McKnight:Need simplification of #39 so people understand the meaning of this
Murray McKercher Toronto:SOme of this discussion would seem to follow under the box http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_management
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-03-03-en
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Ashwin Rangan
Leon Sanchez:40, 41 and 42 are financial
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:re:39 - it's more to be better able to extract / remix data from ICANN eg public comments
Glenn McKnight:Unclear the purpose of this item
Glenn McKnight:sure
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:re: 40 finance and budget sc
Murray McKercher Toronto:yes
Siranush Vardanyan:what is meant under "lead-time budget requests"?
Leon Sanchez:Agree with finance and budget
Fatima Cambronero:+1
Glenn McKnight:yes
Glenn McKnight:yes
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:lead time refers to. the timeframe between initial request and and actual payment for that item
Siranush Vardanyan:42 and 43 were listed for discussions within RALOs, should these items be decided by RALOs?
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:@ Olivier, 28, 29, 42, 43, were discussed during the RALO Sec Meetings and RALOs agree to look into these and start discussions
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:they will form Task forces
Leon Sanchez:ALAC and RALO Chairs?
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:or WGs to implement
Siranush Vardanyan:RALO should decide if there is a need, but the funding issue should go to finance
Glenn McKnight:Yes
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:no Metrics WG
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:but there can be coordination with Metrics WG
Glenn McKnight:Observations stand alone
Fatima Cambronero:i am not sure if the observations should be send to the WG
Glenn McKnight:no assignment
Murray McKercher Toronto:I am all for more pondering
Eduardo Diaz:lets think about it. Agree
Fatima Cambronero:+1 about this
Fatima Cambronero:do we have a deadline to work in this recommendations on each WG?
Fatima Cambronero:*these recommendations
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Fatima -- no deadline except for recommendations aimed at the Board
Fatima Cambronero:ok, thanks @Olivier
Glenn McKnight:Results Based Tables use SMART guidelines SPECIFIC, ACHIEVEABLE, RESULTS and TACTICS
Glenn McKnight:Using Alfresco would be a good collaborative platform
Eduardo Diaz:@Glenn: also basecamp
Murray McKercher Toronto:@eduardo, I have used basecamp, while good it can be a little chaotic
Heidi Ullrich:ATLAS II IT !
Heidi Ullrich:ATLAS II Implementation Taskforce
Fatima Cambronero:agree to involve the ALS in the implementation
Murray McKercher Toronto:agree this is an excellent idea
Glenn McKnight:go with it
Alberto Soto:Yes Fatima
Ariel Liang:The mailing list for the ATLAS IT: atlas-ii-it@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Fatima Cambronero:ok, thanks
Fatima Cambronero:Ariel, I am not sure if I am in that mailing list. If not, could you add me please? Thanks
Siranush Vardanyan:it can go also to each RALO eiling lists
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:RALO lists too ok
Leon Sanchez:I don't know if it's been done in any other call but I would like to call for a round of applause for the newly weds Dev and Amrika and Ariel and her husband!
Siranush Vardanyan:mailing list mean
Siranush Vardanyan:yes
Dev Anand Teelucksingh::-)
Fatima Cambronero:congrats to both! (or four :)
Ariel Liang:So far the ATLAS IT list only have staff and ocl subscribed to it
Siranush Vardanyan:congrats to both couples :)
Wolf Ludwig:Sorry -- I have to leave now. Thanks and bye all.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:thanks
Alberto Soto:Thanks to all!! Bye!!
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, All!
Sylvia Herlein:well done, bye, bye
Siranush Vardanyan:thanks all, and bye
Eduardo Diaz:Adios a todos
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:Bye akk
Leon Sanchez:Thanks everyone!
Fatima Cambronero:thanks to all! bye
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Thanks all, take care all
Ariel Liang:Thank you bye bye
Murray McKercher Toronto:thanks bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:thxz
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye