At-Large ICANN Academy WG 08-02-2012 AC Chat transcript

Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the ICANN Academy call on Wednesday 08 February 2012
  Gisella Gruber-White:Agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/x/0DOIBg
  Gisella Gruber-White:Tijani and Wilson are currently on the AFRALO call so will be late
  Glenn McKnight:Hi Gisella  ,  Just a clarification .  Am I invited to this call today?
  Glenn McKnight:Like to share with everyone an interesting talk on CBC  Radio  on the Consent of the Networked  at  http://www.cbc.ca/spark/2012/02/full-interview-rebecca-mackinnon-on-consent-of-the-networked/
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ Glenn - This is an open clal for the ICANN Academy
  Sandra Hoferichter:Hi Gisella I am on skype
  Siranush Vardanyan:hello, everyone
  Oksana Prykhodko:Hi, all!
  Jose Arce:Hi everyone !!
  Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:Hi all
  Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to everyone - can you all hear?
  Gisella Gruber-White:through the Adobe Connect
  Gisella Gruber-White:Apologies had to disconnect
  Gisella Gruber-White:Adobe Connect audio - it will be available again in a few minutes
  Glenn McKnight:Thanks
  Oksana Prykhodko:I hear you via Adobe
  Glenn McKnight:So we do not need to dial in by phone?
  Eduardo Diaz:Hola to everyone
  Gisella Gruber-White:Apologies but due to 2 calls on this line, we will need to use the ADIGO Audio bridge
  Gisella Gruber-White:Please dial-in to the audio bridge for this call
  Eduardo Diaz:I am in the bridge
  Holly Raiche:Hi Everyone
  Fatima Cambronero:hi all
  Bill Drake:Bon soir
  Glenn McKnight:Did I miss the call?
  Glenn McKnight:I was cut off on the phone
  Heidi Ullrich:Glenn, do you need a dial out?
  Gisella Gruber-White:I was cut off the phone ...
  TT:o we have to dial in to get audio?
  TT:no audio via dbe/
  Glenn McKnight:My records show at 3 oclcok my time
  TT:Where ar emy manners! Apologis everyone hello
  Glenn McKnight:I was on it droped off
  Bill Drake:Boy ten minutes of warm up...shall we start?
  Gisella Gruber-White:There seems to be an issue with the Adobe Connect audio - please dial-in using the phone or we can dial-out to you
  TT:heard some lovely music just now :d
  TT:jazzy latinoish :D
  TT:enjoying the music :D prefer to serious discussions right now...
  Gisella Gruber-White:Titi - pass code is 3535
  Glenn McKnight:ok
  Gisella Gruber-White:I am not on the call - joining shortly - being dialled  out to
  TT:Ok Gisella but didot make arrangements to be able to dial in so will take a while will monitor on chatintime being
  Heidi Ullrich:Sandra, are you on the Adigo bridge?
  Sandra Hoferichter:I am on skype
  Gisella Gruber-White:I am on
  Sivasubramanian M:I think I am dialled in twice for the same call
  Sivasubramanian M:I have call 1 on wait and silent, and call 2 with good audio
  Glenn McKnight:The phone sounds  warbly
  Sivasubramanian M:Gleen, the line in Canada must be more advanced
  Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:I hear music
  Glenn McKnight:Not sure but when Gisella was speaking she wasn't very clear
  Eduardo Diaz:the music is coming from the adobe connection
  Wolf Ludwig:@Gisella: Just received a SMS from Yulyia M. -- she is waiting for a dial-out to join this call!
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ WOlf - yes, we are dialling out to her
  Sivasubramanian M:yes Cheryl I am on two lines, and my line is on mute
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:why are you on 2 lines?
  Sivasubramanian M:and I am not listening to music
  Sivasubramanian M:don't know... two calls on the same phone
  Gisella Gruber-White:Please press *6 to mute and *7 to unmute
  Gisella Gruber-White:Please say your names for transcript purposes
  Gisella Gruber-White:Raquel has joinedt he call
  Sivasubramanian M:Giesella my line seems to be on mute, muted from your end
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:So the audio is not working on the AC room
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:?
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:what are we waiting for?
  Sivasubramanian M:can you unmute my line and I will mute from my end
  Gisella Gruber-White:The Adobe is not working at this moment
  Glenn McKnight:No noise from my side
  Raquel Gatto:yes, we can hear you
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ Siva - we are unmuting you
  Sivasubramanian M:i have umuted from my end
  Sivasubramanian M:sorry I put the call on mute from my end now
  TT:Hmm Not going to be able to dial in
  Gisella Gruber-White:TT - we can dial-out to you
  TT:i will stay on here and read the notes. too bad really.
  TT:will stay on adobe and read notes
  Glenn McKnight:Who is TT?
  TT:roflol!
  TT:TT = Titi Akinsanmi
  Glenn McKnight:Thanks
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:APRALO  certainly supports the cincept of FUTURE courses being offered with rmote options... Thanks  for clafifying  this  Raquel
  Sivasubramanian M:got disconnected, (mymistake)
  Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:we need to distinguish between ICANN academy for newcommers and Outreach program
  Sivasubramanian M:some comments on the remote participation suggestion:
  Sivasubramanian M:1) even though the program is for the chosen ones, the content is valuable,  so an alterante solution could be attempted at a negligible cost
  Wolf Ludwig:@Carlos: Agree with you!
  Raquel Gatto:thanks, @avri, completely understand your points
  Oksana Prykhodko:Who will translate materials of ICANN Academy? 20 hours is great piece of job, but some summaries can be used for capacity building programs, such as national IGF, for example
  Sivasubramanian M:a(1) we can think of archiving the lessons for reference in place of the remote participation idea
  Sivasubramanian M:2) we can place th archived material for community translation by the respective communities
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:of course remote options  do allow for a multilingual approach  but  we still need to ensure that our  reps  can function in the ICANN world in the language it uses  locally (=and Globally)  Regions  I would assume  still oporate in local major langiages...  EN  proficiency is still however at this stage a Main  Langiuage  in ICANN  and we hobbel our effectoivness if our leadership and reps  can not oporate in it
  Sivasubramanian M:at large structures could call for volunteers in their region to offer to summarize / translate in their local language
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:That said  I support  use of interpretaion in long sessions  for productivity advantages  wherever possible
  Sivasubramanian M:3) in place of the remote participation idea,we could think of a moodle version of an academy following the first or first few face to face sessions for a larger audience
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes Siva  man e-learning tools  would be aplicable  herey
  Sivasubramanian M:i can build a moodle framework for trial
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:should read  many e-learning tools  would be applicable here...
  Glenn McKnight:IYes,  I suggested Moodle before as well
  Sivasubramanian M:yes, many, but moodle is a good one, for a start
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:too early at this stage I would have thought  Siva /Glenes  but post pilot  y
  Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:nobody can denied the advantage of translations and interpretations, but I think this course was defined in english. I think also, we can  in the future to see the budget possibilities to do a multilingual  seminar
  Glenn McKnight:Many good E book editors are available for creation of the training materials and the ebooks should be available via Smart PHones
  Sivasubramanian M:If the committee is inclined to take a look, I will have a skeleton moodle environment built by our next meeting
  Sivasubramanian M:as a visual proof of concept
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:tnat IS essential  @Glen  Yes  agree
  Fatima Cambronero:agree with @Carlos
  Glenn McKnight:I will volunteer with SIVA  on the Moodle test and we could demo it in CR
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Where is the curriculum?
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:good ?  OCL
  Glenn McKnight:Most schools Use Moodle for curicullum developemtn
  Sivasubramanian M:curriculum is on email @olivier
  Sivasubramanian M:gleen, thanks
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Yes  Glen I use it commercially as well
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:that's not good enough. URL please?
  Heidi Ullrich:It will be posted in a moment
  Glenn McKnight:I gave my comments already online and on the WIKI
  Sivasubramanian M:@olivier can't find it online. did the next best thing mailed it now
  Heidi Ullrich:Draft Curriculum is available here: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/Improve/pages/109589526/At-Large+ICANN+Academy+Curriculum
  Heidi Ullrich:Apologies for the delay
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:It's about time, Heidi. This should have been online a while ago already
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Sandra, please make sure all docs are online in time for everyone to access and not only the lucky few in the email thread
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:++++  to what @Bill is saying  this IS essential  IMO
  Sivasubramanian M:Heidi, another suggestion, there are many pages, but comments are at page https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/Improve/pages/109588995/ICANN+Academy+Proposal Those who land in other pages would miss the comments
  Glenn McKnight:I don't think we should miss the issue of MOODLE  test  site
  Sivasubramanian M:Is there a better  way of organizing the wiki pages
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Excellent comments indeed from Bill
  Bill Drake:@Avri where in the extant categories do such themes get covered, I just can't tell
  Bill Drake:Why not a section on ICANN and the developing countries, full stop?
  Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:@Bill good point
  avri:@Bill as a descriptive section it would be enpty, as a normative section it sounds like an intersting idea.
  Bill Drake:would be easy enough to fill it in, one would think...
  Glenn McKnight:I offered some good short  video  clips for use in the courseware.  But more short clips need to done in CR
  avri:@glenn: I somehow think  MOODLe is a good thing to explore but it seems more relevant to the larger community effrot as opposed to this pilot effort fr newly (s)elected SOAC/Board members..
  Glenn McKnight:Moodle would be a tool for the content creators not the SOAC /Board
  Eduardo Diaz:HArd to understand - not good connection
  Glenn McKnight:Can't understand Siva
  Heidi Ullrich:We are trying to improve his line.
  Glenn McKnight:Perhaps he can type
  Heidi Ullrich:that is better, Siva
  Glenn McKnight:better
  Bill Drake:is he on a speaker fone?
  Wolf Ludwig: You are hardly audible, Siva!
  Glenn McKnight:Not bettter
  avri:@glenn: i will look at  it over the next days.  so this is something that ICANN would have to install on a server?
  Glenn McKnight:SIVA   pick up the phone......
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:too many people are on speakerphones
  Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:sound is very bad
  Siranush Vardanyan:my phone connection is disconnected
  Sivasubramanian M:ok
  Sivasubramanian M:I willleave the comments
  Wolf Ludwig:Your contribution is geeting lost in an echooooo ...
  Sivasubramanian M:and will ask some one to read it out
  Gisella Gruber-White:Hi Siva - we will call you back if you wish
  Glenn McKnight:Sure
  Gisella Gruber-White:Siranush disconnected - redialling
  Siranush Vardanyan:Gisella, please, dial me out again
  Oksana Prykhodko:I fully support Sandra, but I would like to come back again to the idea ofICANN Academy  summaries and, let me say, ICANN Academy Embassadors, who can present their key points visiting different countries. Such approach can combine face-to-face model advantages, and broader audience
  Siranush Vardanyan:thanks
  Sivasubramanian M:for the record, may I request some one to read out the following few points:
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ Siva - do you want us to call you on antoher number?
  Glenn McKnight:I can
  avri:Does this call get transcripted?
  Gisella Gruber-White:Siranush is back
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ Avri - yes
  Siranush Vardanyan:i am back, thanks
  Sivasubramanian M:1.  The Academy sessions could be recorded and made available for the community
  avri:@Gisella: good that will help in terms of capturing people's spoken comments during the meeting.
  Sivasubramanian M:2. Local communities could tranlate the content in full or in summary form, for the first few academy programs, without the need for a budget for translation
  Gisella Gruber-White:I will circulate as soon as we receive it back
  avri:@Siva: that is the intention in the plan.  Record, and even perhaps add subtitles if we can find the post-funding
  Sivasubramanian M:3. We can experiment on the moodle platform to consider coming up with an online version of the Academy. The platform could be moodle or anything else, but for the sake of discussion, I and Glenn would volunteer to build a moodle framework as a visual aid for disscussion.
  Bill Drake:I didn't realize we were done on curriculum, so just a quick point: I think there's a need for a session on ICANN organizational culture per se
  avri:@siva, my concern is for accurate traslation.  but if that can be gotten on a volunteer basis, that is cool.  My expereince has been otherwise in the wider world.  I find it take specialists at the general topic to translate acurately.
  Sandra Hoferichter:Bill : point taken
  Sivasubramanian M:4. I posted a proposal for long-term development of the academy. While the progress on the first academy is very good, we could take up some of the points for discussion for the academy's long term future
  avri:@bill: i think that could be included with architecture.
  Heidi Ullrich:At-Large Sunday Workshop agenda: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/atlarge/pages/99555422/At-Large+Meetings+-+Sunday+11+March+2012
  Heidi Ullrich:The PPC community consultation is tentatively scheduled for Thursday morning
  Bill Drake:@Avri depends on how the session outline is structured etc....bottom line is there are a lot of specificities that are really very different from other environments, and which coming from some cultures can seem off putting or even repressive
  Wolf Ludwig:@SIVA -- Are you still raising your hand to speak?
  Sivasubramanian M:@avri  agree with your comments on the need for accuracy. But in some communities, there could be volunteers good at tranlation, willinhg to spend a bit of time to at least summarize. A summary, cross checked by RALO would be better than none in a situation of no budget
  Wolf Ludwig:Or you just forgot to lower it?
  Sivasubramanian M:no I dropped my hand
  Sivasubramanian M:there is some problem on the audio so I have left some comment to be read out aloud for record by some one else, please
  avri:i would like people to think about subtitles as a medium of translation.  i find that helps with hearing the jargon and language culture while still gettting the meaning.
  avri:at least it does when i am listeing to things in langauges i only know a little of.
  Bill Drake:I think it would be GREAT to have real time subtitling to all ICANN conversations, for newbies.  Like when muricans try to understand Scots...
  Glenn McKnight:Who is reading out Siva's Comments
  Sivasubramanian M:@ avri   To clarify on the point of community tranlation, I don't think that the idea of community tranlation would result in tranlation across ALL languages, but it could happen n one or two language regions
  Fatima Cambronero:yes, @Bill, I agree with you
  Oksana Prykhodko:@avri +++
  Sivasubramanian M:Sandra, could you ask someone to read my comments
  Gisella Gruber-White:Siva can hear us well so he needs his comments read please
  Raquel Gatto:thank you for the clarification :)
  Raquel Gatto:sorry
  Bill Drake:Does anyone have any idea when there will be at least a tentative draft schedule for San Jose?  It's impossible to figure out how and when to organize meetings!
  Sivasubramanian M:there are four points, that I mentioned
  Sivasubramanian M:Thanks Avri :)
  Sivasubramanian M:no avri
  Sivasubramanian M:on point 4, i suggested we could take it up for discussion now or later, when we have time
  Heidi Ullrich:Link to Moodle: http://moodle.org/
  avri:does ICANN currently support the Moodle cms?
  Bill Drake:it would be good to circulate at least a two page document.  some may not be able to attend the meeting given scheduling problems
  Sivasubramanian M:On Olivier's response to point 1:   Academy sessions would be different, because it might require permission from the Teachers to publish them.
  avri:@OCL: should it be updated before sharing?
  Wolf Ludwig:Agree with Bill! A good summary should be prepared for CR -- "leaflet" version incl.!
  avri:i.e does this group want the 'rogram committee' to update it based on what we have heard before we spread it.
  avri:don't we have to meet publications schedules
  Wolf Ludwig:plus 1, Tijani!
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Shiva: the teachers are ICANN staff & any outside teacher will have to agree to being recorded. It's all part of the transparency in ICANN. I'd hate to hear that classes were held behind closed doors.
  Sivasubramanian M:I recorded all sessions at Meissen in 2009, but refrained from posting them on youtube or elsewhere, because it was suggested to me that I write to the teachers for permisison, and another reason was that I had recoreded about 40 GB of video and didn't know how to handle editing
  Sivasubramanian M:so that point was raised with this (wrong?) understanding
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:here, it's an ICANN Academy, so ICANN rules
  Sivasubramanian M::)
  Wolf Ludwig:Thanks, Sandra, and all for inputs etc.!
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Thanks  all ...
  Raquel Gatto:thank you all!
  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:bye
  Fatima Cambronero:thanks to all!
  Sivasubramanian M:for clairity, it was just a gentle informal suggestion at meissen but i took it seriously
  Siranush Vardanyan:thanks all and bye
  Eduardo Diaz:bye
  Glenn McKnight:Thanks  all
  Sivasubramanian M:bye everyone
  Fatima Cambronero:bye
  Heidi Ullrich:Bye. Thanks everyone!
  Sandra Hoferichter:Thank you and Bye!
  Oksana Prykhodko:Thank you< sandra and all!