ICANN Academy Program Committee 26-01-2012 AC Chat transcript

Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the Program Committee call on Thursday 26 January 2012
  Gisella Gruber-White:Please note that the whole WG Doodle is being prepared (I was waiting for 2 other Doodle polls to close). Thank you
  Sandra Hoferichter:Thank you Gisella
  Heidi Ullrich:Agenda for today's call is: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/Improve/pages/109589368/At-Large+ICANN+Academy+Program+Committee+26-01-2012
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Good Morning from Fiji!
  Heidi Ullrich:REvised budget: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/Improve/pages/109589420/At-Large+ICANN+Academy+Budget+-+Revised+January+2012
  Wolf Ludwig:We were all there at the last ALAC call :-)
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Awesome Sandra
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:What is the place called?
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Off site option is better and before ICANN meets
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:The European Summer School model is proof that for face to face off site option works perfectly
  Wolf Ludwig:+ 1 for the offsite option.
  Wolf Ludwig:Agree with Sala's reasoning ...
  avri:i think being rtemporary displaced is as good as off site, so i am relatively indifferent to the difference.
  avri:i.e.   displaced in time is as good as displaced in place.
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree with te Budget Proposal to be sent to the ICANN Finance
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Preference for Offsite please
  Wolf Ludwig:I think it's a good idea to offer alternative options!
  avri:yes
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes, it is always wise, if resource toolkits are prepared early they can be translated even
  avri:off site invovles packing and moving for the attenddees.  this is a drag.  and some may have to leave early etc...
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:if transportation is provided, it is a small price to pay compared to the overwhelming benefits from full engagement with faculty and each other
  avri:leaving early is especially possible when planning this for before.
  Wolf Ludwig:My prefernce would be a) Toronto as a pilote, b) before the Toronto meeting and c) Offside ...
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree with Wolf +1 and very excited
  avri:mine is for torono, onsite, before
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:Avri, I hardly hear you
  Heidi Ullrich:Tijani, Avri is making the case why the Academy should be onsite
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:I really don't understand what you r saying
  Heidi Ullrich:and before the start of the meeting
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:too low
  Wolf Ludwig:Stong arguments, Avri, but offside strengthens community building -- as EurSSIG proofed.
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree with Wolf
  avri:but the community we are building is ICANN not the ISSIG class.
  Heidi Ullrich:This includes that the experts who might be lecturing will be onsite., that  in the days prior to the meeting, there is hardly anyone at the meeting venue.
  Wolf Ludwig:@Avri: good argument when there is a follow-up during the subsequent ICANN week ...
  avri:i do not understand anything lost by doing in onsite before.  just do not see it.
  avri:@Heidi, i know some of the staff does go a good part of the week before
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I think it depends on how we map it, identification of faculty, liaising with ICANN Policy (David and Team)
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:For eg. for IDN's Bart etc
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Until we map these and liaise with the ICANN staff we will not know and from how David runs his Team, he will ensure that adequate  resources are given
  Wolf Ludwig:Sounds reasonable, Olivier, such a pilot woulnd
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:It really depends on the quality of preparation
  avri:i think the costs comparison is a wash.
  Wolf Ludwig:sorry - wouldn't set onside forever ;-)
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:and Carlos is in the queue after Tijani
  Heidi Ullrich:Tijani, please speak loudly
  Heidi Ullrich:yes, we here you now
  Heidi Ullrich:hear!
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Please speak into the mouthpiece Tijani
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I did not hear very well
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ Tijani - we are muting your line
  avri:yes before has to mean Wed-Fri
  Wolf Ludwig:The "before" exact timing can be sorted out ...
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:My first preference is off site but will be content with whatever decision gets handed down
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:The main thing is to have the Academy
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Can it be from Tuesday to Friday
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:?
  Wolf Ludwig:Agree strongly, Sandra!
  avri:does it change the night count on the budget?
  avri:i agree with it though.
  avri:if it is onesite you can do a whole Firday becasue you don't need to move.
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:$$$$$$$ for one more day:
  Heidi Ullrich:Please keep in mind Friday's schedule - Board reports in the morning, the Board meeting and then the new Board is seated on Friday afternoon.
  Wolf Ludwig:Wednesday to Friday and onside might work -- in the given budget?
  Heidi Ullrich:@Sala, Tuesday through Friday would mean people would need to be away two weeks from work. Also the budget for another day would be significant as support staff/ experts would also need to arrive earlier
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes OCL this is why we should consider parallel sustainable options through other mediums where we harness the Internet for this purpose
  Heidi Ullrich:We could have a follow up call post meeting as an option
  Wolf Ludwig:@Sala: Can we discuss possible complementary options after the Toronto pilot?
  avri:i think the price shows that the most economical is by fractions.  I do NOT think this shuld be the overriding issue if the prioces are close.
  avri:for leadership postions English is a required language.
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:@Wolf Yes we can but it would be great to start developing them in parallel now even if we roll out after Toronto the complimentary options
  Wolf Ludwig:From any Swiss -- multi-langual -- Experience I can tell you that any translation  creates enourmous additional costs -- mostly a major part of a budget!
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Not if we get volunteers from the RALOs
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Volunteer translators
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:to help  offset costs
  avri:Volunteer professional translators?  amateur translators often make the tower of babble wobbly.
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:This is why I was pushing for the Human Resource Matrix to see the HR available to us to harness
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:APRALO has linguistic experts and professors in language
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:web based learning is academy stuff
  avri:agree with Olivier  re capacity building
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Translation is critical (Language diversity)
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:UN 6 languages
  avri:it isn't critical for leadership traning.
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:otherwise you marginalise some
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I know Sergio would object
  avri:it is critical for capacity building outside the current leadership.  leadership is required to be proficient in English already.
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:And others whose first language is not English but want to learn in the ICANN Academy etc
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Sala, English is a bylaw mandated skill required for leadership positions at ICANN
  Wolf Ludwig:Most IG "capacity building", training etc. courses at Diplo or EuroSSIG are in English (or uni-langual) because translation is taking budget and time and makes communication more difficult ... And we are talking about a target group of new ICANN leadership ...
  avri:and this rev of the academcy is leadership only - those already required to be proficiant in English language.
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:and the Academy is only for those people who have been selected to leadership positions at ICANN
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:So is this coming out of the various constituency budgets or is it the At large Budget?
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Our priority is not the rest of ICANN, it should be the At Large, and that is why we were elected to look out for their interests
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Diplo is in all UN 6 languages
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:We are putting the point to ICANN that the budget would be requested as a Special cross-SO/AC project and would not be At-Large only, if there is such a thing as "At-Large only"
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Diplo is not solely for people who will take specific leadership positions.
  Wolf Ludwig:@Sala: there are regionally specified courses at Diplo in different languages BUT the "global" ones are in English ... at least all those, I attended.
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Are they leaders from the At Large?
  Wolf Ludwig:No Sala -- incl. ALL ICANN¨!
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Why are we focussing our attention on all of ICANN when we should be diverting our resources to look after our people
  avri:Sala becasue that is what this group was chartered to do?
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:We have gone outside Recommendation 4 which was discussed in Dakar
  Wolf Ludwig:Let's concentrade on the project presently at the table what is called ICANN and not "At-Large" Academy ... the target group are selected ICANN leaders from all constituancies ... therefore, I think, we should count on a command of English ...
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:These are material deviations from the essence of what was put to the At Large community
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Question: Does our mandate come from here? https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/Improve/pages/109587772/Recommendation+4
  Wolf Ludwig:No Sala -- our mandate is not from the link you posted BUT from the ICANN Academy proposal from last August ... which is also on the Workspace ....
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Milestone Report: https://icann-community.atlassian.net/wiki/download/attachments/109588999/ALAC%20Improve%20Milestone%20Rep_rev%2015_Intro%2C%20text%2C%20figs_w%20REVISED%20C-3_UPDATED%20Intro.pdf
  Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:I want to participate in this SG
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thank you I apologise everyone for misunderstanding
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:no problem Sala
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:it's normal
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:It's no worries Sala -- this all happened before you arrived... and had there been an ICANN Academy, you would have been told about it.
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I am happy to hear that we will not wait for Torronto to start work and that is outside this forum, I will read the Milestone report, thanks Olivier
  Gisella Gruber-White:Carlos - we can't hear you
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:lost out on the call can someone redial. Again yes i agree that since this is a wider base have it in English and besides its a piolt
  Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:sorry my line is down
  Gisella Gruber-White:H edisconnected
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:My line is down too
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ Carlos - do you want a dial-out?
  Gisella Gruber-White:@ Sala - we are dialling you now
  Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:Im here again
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Now that we know that we only have 3 days, this will impact curriculum and I encourage the preparation of a resource toolkit, loaded in USBs maybe (cheaper)
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Gisella, am back on the call
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:What did they say?
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:(Was'nt clear)
  Wolf Ludwig:I was pleased about the first Curriculum proposal from Avri over X-mas!
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:DNSSEC etc
  Wolf Ludwig:Who knows ICANN  and respective sources like YOU, Avri? :-)
  avri:i know nothng about the fellowship
  Wolf Ludwig:But all the rst, Avri!
  Wolf Ludwig:sorry: rest
  avri:is non one on this group a fellowship graduate
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Don't worry -- let's just start with Avri's material, let this group add things, let's see in parallel if Fellowship could add things to it, and then once you've got a first integrated draft, present it to the woder WG
  Gisella Gruber-White:Sala - we are dialling you back in
  Gisella Gruber-White:Sala - we are getting voice mail for you
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:please call again
  Gisella Gruber-White:ok
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:sorry it was a work emergency
  Gisella Gruber-White:OK - we are trying again
  Gisella Gruber-White:Sala is back
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Gisella
  Wolf Ludwig:All relevant points were said ;-)
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:+1
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Week starting 20th?
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Value is because it will be discussed in Costa Rica
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:and launched in Toronto
  Heidi Ullrich:the Policy Webinar is scheduled for 1 March
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Nice looking forward to the Policy Webinar
  avri:ok, and i guess it serves as a forcing function..
  Heidi Ullrich:I didn't intend to set a time for a webinar, only that it would take two weeks to set it up.
  avri:never worry about the accustation if they are not true.
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:also Time Management
  avri:but i also feel we are not reporting out enough.
  Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:Webinar is a good think, but we need a face to face meeting with the newcomers in Costa Rica Meeting
  Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:for me are important two thinhs
  Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Webinar is better and residue can be tackled in Costa Rica
  Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:things
  avri:no problem with my time constraints - i love forcing functions
  Heidi Ullrich:Sandra, when would you like the next WG call?
  Heidi Ullrich:This next week or the following week?
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:thanks all
  Tijani BEN JEMAA:bye
  Wolf Ludwig:Thanks Sandra and all!
  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks for the lengthy, but excellent call!