IOT Meeting #104 | 25 April 2023
- Brenda Brewer
Members: David McAuley, Flip Petillion, Greg Shatan, Kavouss Arasteh, Kristina Rosette, Mike Rodenbaugh, Sam Eisner, Susan Payne
Guests/Observers: Becky Burr, Kate Wallace, Liz Le
ICANN Org: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer
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Agenda:
- Review agenda and updates to SOIs
- Review Action items:
- SP to propose a strawperson on Rule 3 - Composition of the IRP Panel
- Discussion of the Rule 3 strawperson
- Next Call - tbc
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12:04:25 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
here's hoping we can meet F2F in Washington
12:06:18 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone: Brenda - what kind of session - how long?
12:06:44 From Brenda Brewer - ICANN Org to Everyone: Hope to have a 90 minute session
12:06:55 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
The more actual practitioners we can gather the better IMO
12:07:05 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
so thanks for that info Flip
12:10:44 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
The rules should address how to select: see rule 4.3(g) which states, in part: (g) Upon the filing of a Claim, an Independent Review Process Panel ("IRP Panel", described in Section 4.3(k) below) shall be selected in accordance with the Rules of Procedure (as defined in Section 4.3(n)(i)).
12:11:10 From Becky Burr to Everyone:
It seems like there is some confusion.
12:11:46 From Kristina Rosette to Everyone:
I think Kavouss may be mixing up selection of the panelists who will sit on the Standing Panel vs the selection of the specific panelists for an individual, specific IRP.
12:12:51 From Kristina Rosette to Everyone:
Need to step away for a couple minutes.
12:13:33 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
I also was hoping for a longer session
12:13:55 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
and hope we can perhaps make this usual at ICANN meetings until we finish
12:14:29 From Flip Petillion to Everyone: Agree with David if achievable
12:14:44 From Flip Petillion to Everyone: Thx Susan
12:15:47 From Flip Petillion to Everyone:
I again agree with David’s hope
12:15:49 From Brenda Brewer - ICANN Org to Everyone:
I do not believe that can be accomplished for this meeting in Washington DC. Sessions with tech support are limited to 90 minutes each. Possible to ask for more than one 90 minute session but not sure it will be approved.
12:17:13 From Flip Petillion to Everyone:
Well, Kavous, we all tried to take initiatives to speed up, what you asked for, no?
12:17:17 From Becky Burr to Everyone:
IMHO there is a great deal of urgency to get this work stabilized
12:19:05 From Flip Petillion to Everyone: Hamburg?
12:19:16 From Brenda Brewer - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Yees, David, remote participation will be available.
12:19:22 From Bernard Turcotte to Everyone:
Extra day prior to a meeting is always considered exceptional and expensive
12:20:49 From Flip Petillion to Everyone: Agree to share the lead
12:23:35 From Kristina Rosette to Everyone:
I'm back. I realize we've moved off this topic, but I would find it very helpful if we could devote some time soon to (I) identifying the scope of our outstanding to do list and (ii) working backwards to develop a timeline. I think that exercise would also naturally create some greater sense of urgency.
12:24:19 From Flip Petillion to Everyone:
Mine had minor changes
12:24:25 From Kristina Rosette to Everyone:
Perhaps Flip could speak to what he changed?
12:24:39 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
I also support Kristina's point
12:34:20 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
agree w Kristina that the work here creating the strawman is excellent
12:36:48 From Mike Rodenbaugh to Everyone:
Agree w. Kristina, there should be some guardrails on Standing Panel discretion; perhaps more and better examples of when it is appropriate to look beyond the SP
12:42:26 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
I think capacity is clearly for the panel to assess
12:43:03 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
yes
12:45:58 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
interesting point, Flip
12:48:19 From Flip Petillion to Everyone:
Very much agree with Sam
12:48:41 From Flip Petillion to Everyone:
Avoid prejudice
12:48:42 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
fair point - could also affect an appeal I suppose
12:49:08 From Flip Petillion to Everyone:
right
12:49:42 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
but I also agree w Sam that there will be some admin role for the panel - and having a chair would be good IMO
12:51:58 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
I agree w Susan full stop
12:52:30 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
That is what we are discussing
12:59:46 From Flip Petillion to Everyone:
+1 Sam
13:05:02 From Flip Petillion to Everyone:
That is against arbitration rules accepted globally, David
13:05:17 From Flip Petillion to Everyone:
Parties should be in the lead
13:05:29 From Susan Payne to Everyone:
@Flip pleasecan you clarify that coment
13:05:42 From Flip Petillion to Everyone:
OK, I will
13:06:03 From David McAuley (Verisign) (Observer) g panel is important enough to endeavor to maintain as much as possible that panels members come from that body
13:06:29 From Mike Rodenbaugh to Everyone:
+1 David. Are we sure the number of Standing Panelists is only 7?
13:13:40 From Susan Payne to Everyone:
minimum of 7 could be more
13:16:50 From Flip Petillion to Everyone:
Or out side of that SP
13:17:43 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
I think we nominated 13 or 14 people for the Standing Panel. David?
13:17:46 From Flip Petillion to Everyone:
Every single possible IRP is hopefully hypothetical
13:20:28 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
Greg, I prefer not to comment at present given the terms of engagement - things should be clarified soon I think
13:23:29 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone: yes, at least seven
13:28:07 From Flip Petillion to Everyone: Agree David - Thanks Susan - Good night everyone
13:29:08 From Bernard Turcotte to Everyone: will do
13:29:10 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone: Good bye Flip, thanks
13:30:15 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone: Thanks Susan and all
13:30:17 From Bernard Turcotte to Everyone: bye all
13:30:28 From Kristina Rosette to Everyone: bye all